SouthEastCashew:
Yep I saw that but I’m just implying it on the post in general didn’t necessary mean to quote you I am sorry on that part but some people think the guy with the camera is at fault and nope I am just putting forward a potential scenario of the effects of people behind…
Ok bud, fair enough, no probs. 
In fact, the ONLY reason that the Dash Cam Muppet had to slam on the brakes is because he smeared 7.5t Muppet across three lanes of motorway.
Yep I saw that but I’m just implying it on the post in general didn’t necessary mean to quote you I am sorry on that part but some people think the guy with the camera is at fault and nope I am just putting forward a potential scenario of the effects of people behind…
Everything had to stop, because of the pair of them being stupid…
Look at the end of the day matey boy is still out their delivering his TVs and washing machines in his 7.5 tonner but I am telling you that he is at fault. Watch the video back and look at the white lines changing…
SouthEastCashew:
Look at the end of the day matey boy is still out their delivering his TVs and washing machines in his 7.5 tonner but I am telling you that he is at fault. Watch the video back and look at the white lines changing…
Nobodys said he’s not at fault, but the incident could have been avoided if the other guy had backed off a bit. I believe it’s called defensive driving, giving a bit of space to avoid others mistakes or bad driving, saves a lot of form filling and waiting for your vehicle to be repaired.
truckman020:
the same could be said for you fella if you think camera truck is wrong,he was still in his lane it’s irrelevant that he should have eased off,he should not have had to,7.5 t driver should have judged better,result if he did, no accident,simple as that,so how many years you got under your belt then,for the record I have 35 yrs starting on vans at 18,i’m guessing you haven’t
How could the 7.5t driver have ‘judged’ a situation in which the camera truck driver is clearly accelerating to close up on the vehicle ahead thereby reducing seperation distance to dangerous level obviously to block lane changing traffic.When he’d have justifiably expected the camera truck to do exactly the opposite at 0.03 just as I would have done if I’d have been driving the camera truck.
Unless that is you think that the seperation distance between the camera truck and truck ahead in lane 1 shown at 0.17 is ok even without the issue of the predictable lane change intention of the 7.5 tonner from 0.03. 
SouthEastCashew:
Watch the video back and look at the white lines changing…
Never mind the white lines change , just look at the underrun bar on7.5 t , he appears at side reasonably quickly , then they sit neck & neck .
Now , 7.5 t does not appear to slow down , so how come his forward progress , relative to camera man , has suddenly been eliminated . :shock
Does not need a lot of thought input to work out , does it .
Casual Observer:
SouthEastCashew:
Watch the video back and look at the white lines changing…Never mind the white lines change , just look at the underrun bar on7.5 t , he appears at side reasonably quickly , then they sit neck & neck .
Now , 7.5 t does not appear to slow down , so how come his forward progress , relative to camera man , has suddenly been eliminated .Does not need a lot of thought input to work out , does it .
To be fair, the speed in the bottom left corner stays at a steady 78, even after the first collision. In fact, it doesn’t appear to go down until after the 7.5 starts to spin.
Captain Caveman 76:
To be fair, the speed in the bottom left corner stays at a steady 78, even after the first collision. In fact, it doesn’t appear to go down until after the 7.5 starts to spin.
That seems to show that the camera truck driver didn’t actually accelerate v the 7.5 tonner as opposed to it being the truck ahead in lane 1 that was slowing down.Which still leaves the issue that the camera truck driver didn’t maintain a safe seperation distance to it from 0.03-0.17 let alone increase it to allow for merging traffic such as in the case of the 7.5 tonner.
dri-diddly-iver:
How many pages will this go round repeating the same stuff Worse than over quoting in my opinion
You never know 
SouthEastCashew:
I don’t care what you say if someone is willing to cut in front of a 40+ tone lorry travelling at say 54 mph… and they don’t bother indicating and perform a last minute manoeuvre then they are just completely brain dead and obviously have their mind elsewhere so why should you slam on your breaks so an innocent family travelling behind you go underneath the back of your lorry for example…? Answer that for me
I see it differently which is why I posted the video asking for the TN view.
The 7.5t does indicate, it’s right at the point where the dedicated lanes are marked in the road which makes me think they aren’t familiar with the road and it’s a genuine mistake. The camera truck refuses to give ground or acknowledge that a driver has possibly made an error and decides they have to teach them a lesson instead of just shrugging their shoulders and adopting the ‘just another idiot on the roads’ approach.
The bit that baffles me most about your post is the bit about the innocent family behind. All camera man had to do was back off by a few MPH, no need to “slam” the brakes on. You’re suggesting the safer option was to punt a 7.5 across 3 lanes of traffic instead?
I know out of the two which is more likely to kill an innocent family and it’s not your suggestion of slamming the brakes on.
Anyone saying the camera truck was not in the wrong needs to have a serious word with themselves. Yes the Muppet started it in the 7.5 tonner, but the ■■■■ womble in the camera truck made the incident worse by his actions, had he eased off then the puddle jumper would not have ended up being spun around and all 3 lanes of traffic being forced to stop suddenly causing possible further issues in the sudden slowing traffic behind. Both were at fault simple as that, one for causing it initially and the other for escalating it instead of defensive driving to avoid the scenario that unfolded. Same as the video of the caravan vs truck, the truck driver in that one out of sheer petty mindedness made that situation a lot worse and caused a complete blockage on the slip road. Drive defensively and you won’t end up in stupid situations like that, drive like a ■■■■ and you will.
Some days you’re a teacher some days a pupil.
truckman020:
Fincham:
truckman020:
the camera trucks in his lane, mr puddle jumper comes along in his truck,indicates, misjudges, and hits camera truck[twice]how is the camera truck to blame in any way at all,you can see who’s in the wrong quite clearlyHe could have eased up and made room for errant driver, instead he maintained his speed and exacerbated the situation. If you think he is blameless then perhaps you should consider whether you should be driving.
the same could be said for you fella if you think camera truck is wrong,he was still in his lane it’s irrelevant that he should have eased off,he should not have had to,7.5 t driver should have judged better,result if he did, no accident,simple as that,so how many years you got under your belt then,for the record I have 35 yrs starting on vans at 18,i’m guessing you haven’t
I’m not going to waste too much time with you but to compare notes, I passed my car test in 1968, I started hgv 3 in 1972 driving furniture pantechnicons and class 1 in 1979. I also obtained my class D in 2003.
None of this proves anything as the major factor is that I accept that WE can all make mistakes and in those circumstances look to the goodwill of other drivers to help us out. That I believe is where we differ.
rambo19:
Indicator is NOT a right of way, but to many people think it is.
If a truck signals, you’re telling others where you are going. Not bloody asking them. 
rob22888:
Reminds me of this gem…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFeBIxRyxag
Whole incident could have been avoided if the dash cam truck had a brain cell and just eased off and let the guy in. Impact it would have had on his day - 0.
Yes… Consider this though… Trucker is at the start of their shift, and doesn’t have a mind to help out Mr Richard Head who you decide you’re gonna make go to the next junction - because you can.
In this case though, the guy didn’t know when to throw his hand away, and a collision happens.
Caravan driver’s insurance goes up.
Truck driver may be disciplined for doing this, but probably won’t’ be.
Who’s worse off then? Who’s got some serious steam off their chest then? 
Sometimes a collision needs to happen - just to remind the public of “who’s the boss on the road”. At such low speeds there is never a danger to either driver.
Read it as “Road Politics” if you will.
If truckers all refused to “be political” once in a while - we are all in effect, waiting for death to come to us, whilst we sit their passively hoping that “Being the better driver” will be enough for us to survive such an attack.
If you don’t know what I’m talking about - you’ve clearly not been driving long enough yet.
Winseer:
rambo19:
Indicator is NOT a right of way, but to many people think it is.If a truck signals, you’re telling others where you are going. Not bloody asking them.
No, you are telling them you INTEND to, ( in this case) change lane.
Not telling them you are GOING to change lane at all costs.
As the idiot in the 7 half.
Winseer:
Sometimes a collision needs to happen - just to remind the public of “who’s the boss on the road”. At such low speeds there is never a danger to either driver.
Read it as “Road Politics” if you will.If truckers all refused to “be political” once in a while - we are all in effect, waiting for death to come to us, whilst we sit their passively hoping that “Being the better driver” will be enough for us to survive such an attack.
If you don’t know what I’m talking about - you’ve clearly not been driving long enough yet.
Winseer.mate, …you often talk ■■■■■■■■ on here, but this time you have excelled even yourself.
Winseer:
Sometimes a collision needs to happen - just to remind the public of “who’s the boss on the road”. At such low speeds there is never a danger to either driver.
Read it as “Road Politics” if you will.
You’re kidding me right?..
A collision needs to happen?
Who’s boss on the road?
Words fail me.
Have the lunatics taken over the forum?