tachograph:
I’m surprised that some people seem to be suggesting the driver with the dash-cam was blameless, if you can stop an accident but don’t you have to accept that you was partly responsible for the accident happening.
I’m surprised too. The dashcam driver seemed to think that leaning on the horn was a better option than taking his foot off of the accelerator pedal. If anything, I would say he was more at fault than the 7.5 tonner driver, in that aggression and bloody-mindedness trump carelessness as bad driving when in control of a vehicle.
Harry Monk:
Yes, you can clearly see that the camera vehicle is closing on the truck ahead of him in Lane 1, meaning he has kept the power on when road conditions dictated that he should have been slowing down at that point.
The video seems to show a large reduction in the speed differential between the 7.5 tonner and camera vehicle at 0.03-0.07.Together with a similar closure in the gap between the camera vehicle to the truck ahead in lane 1 which ended up in removing the seperation distance to a dangerous level by 0.17.On that basis I’d call it as the camera vehicle driver having accelerated from his original speed to deliberately block an anticipated lane change from lane 2 to lane 1 by the 7.5 tonner.The 7.5 tonner driver having probably been expecting the camera vehicle driver to do exactly the opposite from 0.03 on.The bit that the 7.5 tonner driver got wrong at that point was in not recognising the camera vehicle driver for the belligerent bad car driver standard type muppet,who’s somehow got an LGV licence,that he is and then abandoning the lane change attempt.
While the law need to prosecute the camera vehicle driver based on his own dash cam evidence.In clearly at least having deliberately removed the seperation distance to the vehicle ahead to dangerous levels to block potentially lane changing traffic.Before he has the chance to cause an even worse situation in the future.
Harry Monk:
The driver of the truck from which the footage was taken is at least equally at fault, he spent several seconds sounding the horn when what he needed to do was take his foot off of the accelerator pedal or at most make a very light brake application.
But if you are forcing someone to break by sudden breaking then that becomes a chain reaction and is creating a hazard to the vehicle behind and so on.
Harry Monk:
The driver of the truck from which the footage was taken is at least equally at fault, he spent several seconds sounding the horn when what he needed to do was take his foot off of the accelerator pedal or at most make a very light brake application.
But if you are forcing someone to break by sudden breaking then that becomes a chain reaction and is creating a hazard to the vehicle behind and so on.
The dashcam driver still had his foot flat on the throttle even after the first two collisions. He never had to do a sudden braking manouevre, just lift off and allow the 7.5 tonner to get into the right lane.
Harry Monk:
The driver of the truck from which the footage was taken is at least equally at fault, he spent several seconds sounding the horn when what he needed to do was take his foot off of the accelerator pedal or at most make a very light brake application.
But if you are forcing someone to break by sudden breaking then that becomes a chain reaction and is creating a hazard to the vehicle behind and so on.
As opposed to the chain reaction going on behind now you have 2 stationary trucks on the motorway and all three lanes blocked while the 7.5t jockey does a 3 point turn .
Whole incident could have been avoided if the dash cam truck had a brain cell and just eased off and let the guy in. Impact it would have had on his day - 0.
Pat Hasler:
Without a shadow of a doubt the guy in the white truck is to blame, he is paying no attention to the fact that he has not cleared the vehicle he is passing, yet another case of inexperienced boys trying to become drivers. In fact the guy needs a serious fine for that disgraceful move
+1,i would say camera truck is 100% right,don’t understand others who say he was partly to blame
Whole incident could have been avoided if the dash cam truck had a brain cell and just eased off and let the guy in. Impact it would have had on his day - 0.
I could see what was coming next with the two weeks of the year tugger driver & obviously the prick in the lorry thinks it is clever to endanger lives with his prick attitude, if he was my driver he would be gone out the gate, once I had seen what he had done.
Pat Hasler:
Without a shadow of a doubt the guy in the white truck is to blame, he is paying no attention to the fact that he has not cleared the vehicle he is passing, yet another case of inexperienced boys trying to become drivers. In fact the guy needs a serious fine for that disgraceful move
+1,i would say camera truck is 100% right,don’t understand others who say he was partly to blame
I’ll repeat my question to you.
If you were in the camera truck how would you have dealt with it.
Would a collision have occurred if you had been driving.
I’ve said what I would have done, and I genuinely believe I could have avoided a collision.
What about you if you think this guy is 100% blameless, would the same outcome have happened to you.
robroy:
I’ll repeat my question to you.
If you were in the camera truck how would you have dealt with it.
Would a collision have occurred if you had been driving.
I’ve said what I would have done, and I genuinely believe I could have avoided a collision.
Me too. But then there are drivers, and screwdrivers.
Pat Hasler:
Without a shadow of a doubt the guy in the white truck is to blame, he is paying no attention to the fact that he has not cleared the vehicle he is passing, yet another case of inexperienced boys trying to become drivers. In fact the guy needs a serious fine for that disgraceful move
+1,i would say camera truck is 100% right,don’t understand others who say he was partly to blame
I’ll repeat my question to you.
If you were in the camera truck how would you have dealt with it.
Would a collision have occurred if you had been driving.
I’ve said what I would have done, and I genuinely believe I could have avoided a collision.
What about you if you think this guy is 100% blameless, would the same outcome have happened to you.
I don’t care what you say if someone is willing to cut in front of a 40+ tone lorry travelling at say 54 mph… and they don’t bother indicating and perform a last minute manoeuvre then they are just completely brain dead and obviously have their mind elsewhere so why should you slam on your breaks so an innocent family travelling behind you go underneath the back of your lorry for example…? Answer that for me
truckman020:
the camera trucks in his lane, mr puddle jumper comes along in his truck,indicates, misjudges, and hits camera truck[twice]how is the camera truck to blame in any way at all,you can see who’s in the wrong quite clearly
He could have eased up and made room for errant driver, instead he maintained his speed and exacerbated the situation. If you think he is blameless then perhaps you should consider whether you should be driving.
the same could be said for you fella if you think camera truck is wrong,he was still in his lane it’s irrelevant that he should have eased off,he should not have had to,7.5 t driver should have judged better,result if he did, no accident,simple as that,so how many years you got under your belt then,for the record I have 35 yrs starting on vans at 18,i’m guessing you haven’t
Pat Hasler:
Without a shadow of a doubt the guy in the white truck is to blame, he is paying no attention to the fact that he has not cleared the vehicle he is passing, yet another case of inexperienced boys trying to become drivers. In fact the guy needs a serious fine for that disgraceful move
+1,i would say camera truck is 100% right,don’t understand others who say he was partly to blame
I’ll repeat my question to you.
If you were in the camera truck how would you have dealt with it.
Would a collision have occurred if you had been driving.
I’ve said what I would have done, and I genuinely believe I could have avoided a collision.
What about you if you think this guy is 100% blameless, would the same outcome have happened to you.
I don’t care what you say if someone is willing to cut in front of a 40+ tone lorry travelling at say 54 mph… and they don’t bother indicating and perform a last minute manoeuvre then they are just completely brain dead and obviously have their mind elsewhere so why should you slam on your breaks so an innocent family travelling behind you go underneath the back of your lorry for example…? Answer that for me
I thought I had, but you obviously have not read my previous posts properly but just jumped instead.
I fully agree with you the driver is quote: ‘‘brain dead’’ yeh, it was a ridiculous and dangerous manouver.
There was no need to ‘‘slam on his brakes’’, a couple of clicks off would have been sufficient, or at the most a flick on his exhaust brake.
btw mate, where was this ‘‘innocent family travelling behind’’ or is that theory just for dramatic licence, if you are going to (try and) have a go, at least stick to the facts that we know at least.
There…I’ve answered it for you.
truckman020:
the camera trucks in his lane, mr puddle jumper comes along in his truck,indicates, misjudges, and hits camera truck[twice]how is the camera truck to blame in any way at all,you can see who’s in the wrong quite clearly
He could have eased up and made room for errant driver, instead he maintained his speed and exacerbated the situation. If you think he is blameless then perhaps you should consider whether you should be driving.
the same could be said for you fella if you think camera truck is wrong,he was still in his lane it’s irrelevant that he should have eased off,he should not have had to,7.5 t driver should have judged better,result if he did, no accident,simple as that,so how many years you got under your belt then,for the record I have 35 yrs starting on vans at 18,i’m guessing you haven’t
If we are having a top trumps/■■■■■■■ contest mate, I’ve been on artics since 1979, …so that said how about answering my question■■?
Pat Hasler:
Without a shadow of a doubt the guy in the white truck is to blame, he is paying no attention to the fact that he has not cleared the vehicle he is passing, yet another case of inexperienced boys trying to become drivers. In fact the guy needs a serious fine for that disgraceful move
+1,i would say camera truck is 100% right,don’t understand others who say he was partly to blame
I’ll repeat my question to you.
If you were in the camera truck how would you have dealt with it.
Would a collision have occurred if you had been driving.
I’ve said what I would have done, and I genuinely believe I could have avoided a collision.
What about you if you think this guy is 100% blameless, would the same outcome have happened to you.
I don’t care what you say if someone is willing to cut in front of a 40+ tone lorry travelling at say 54 mph… and they don’t bother indicating and perform a last minute manoeuvre then they are just completely brain dead and obviously have their mind elsewhere so why should you slam on your breaks so an innocent family travelling behind you go underneath the back of your lorry for example…? Answer that for me
I thought I had, but you obviously have not read my previous posts properly but just jumped instead.
I fully agree with you the driver is quote: ‘‘brain dead’’ yeh, it was a ridiculous and dangerous manouver.
There was no need to ‘‘slam on his brakes’’, a couple of clicks off would have been sufficient, or at the most a flick on his exhaust brake.
btw mate, where was this ‘‘innocent family travelling behind’’ or is that theory just for dramatic licence, if you are going to (try and) have a go, at least stick to the facts that we know at least.
There…I’ve answered it for you.
Yep I saw that but I’m just implying it on the post in general didn’t necessary mean to quote you I am sorry on that part but some people think the guy with the camera is at fault and nope I am just putting forward a potential scenario of the effects of people behind…
Pat Hasler:
Without a shadow of a doubt the guy in the white truck is to blame, he is paying no attention to the fact that he has not cleared the vehicle he is passing, yet another case of inexperienced boys trying to become drivers. In fact the guy needs a serious fine for that disgraceful move
+1,i would say camera truck is 100% right,don’t understand others who say he was partly to blame
I’ll repeat my question to you.
If you were in the camera truck how would you have dealt with it.
Would a collision have occurred if you had been driving.
I’ve said what I would have done, and I genuinely believe I could have avoided a collision.
What about you if you think this guy is 100% blameless, would the same outcome have happened to you.
I don’t care what you say if someone is willing to cut in front of a 40+ tone lorry travelling at say 54 mph… and they don’t bother indicating and perform a last minute manoeuvre then they are just completely brain dead and obviously have their mind elsewhere so why should you slam on your breaks so an innocent family travelling behind you go underneath the back of your lorry for example…? Answer that for me
Nobody’s disputing that the guy in the 7,5t is a ■■■■. but the driver of the truck didn’t need to slam his brakes on, just give a little, and if they’d been somebody in lane 3 the 7,5t would have taken them out.
Worse than over quoting in my opinion 
