Conor:
I know it may be a strange concept for you to grasp given your life seems to revolve around your job but that’s not the case for a growing number of us.
I grasp the concept adequately thanks Conor.
What I don’t grasp is though, why you THINK you know stuff like that about me, when merely based on posts on a forum.
Especially when you don’t even know me, and when you actually, and clearly, KNOW the square root of ■■■■ all about me in reality, if it’s based on that synopsis.
Cheers.
Reef:
To all the “he’s carving the job up” crew, have a word with yourselves you bunch of Hilda Ogdens ffs!
I caught up to and was following one of my brethren the other night and I decided to sit behind him as we weren’t that far from our exit so seemed little point doing the creep past so close to our junction, so as I got up behind him I knocked the CC off a couple of clicks… then a couple more… then quite a few more, I ended up following him at 46 mph for over 2 miles…
We were both returning to base, both empty and we were on a practically empty Motorway.
Now we all know that he was just making sure not to get back to base too early, just in case he got handed another run or something, that’s fair enough, that’s his decision and choice and I’ve no problem with that, but at what point would I be considered as “carving the job up” if I did his run and drove back at 48, 50, 52, 54 or god forbid the heady high speeds of 56 mph (the majority of our units are capable of sustaining 55 - 56 quite well).
There is no way on this Earth will I ever drive up/down the motorways of Great Britain at 46mph just to not risk “carving the job up” for the other drivers, jog on!
But on the flipside I would not put it on break whilst actually unloading (and by that I mean actually me unloading not Kevin the warehouse kid on the ride on pallet truck) just to get 45 mins further along either.
Ok you use a scenario as an example which is maybe true, but bordering on the ridiculous.
Nobody is advocating for anybody to sit at 45mph on a M way.
Thing is though how many posts on here in the past, and how many times have you heard in real life ‘‘That ■■■■ is expecting me to get x no of drops off , and wants me back by … o clock’’ or ‘‘This job used to be easier, what happened’’
Why do you think that is, it’s usually or at least quite often, because some smart arse was wanting to make a name for himself in recent history…usually that name starts with a ‘C’.
Hilda.
Conor:
I go to a place we get given a calculated time to do the run which is generous beyond belief. Some drivers do right up to the minute hanging the bag out, I do the job in the time it takes to do it properly, which is usually under the time on the sheet by around half an hour a day but occassionally I’ll end up going over.
So the time given for the job is generous beyond belief, but you only mange to get within 30 minutes of that time or even go over it, this would suggest you’re stringing the job out a bit.
robroy:
because of you every body else in your firm will have to join the teararse club.
I dont think that’s a very fair comment tbh. The other side of the coin is that the regular driver was/is taking the ■■■■.
I used to work on milk tankers on GB domestic work… practically all the other drivers were foreign and ripped the absolute ■■■■ out of the job, stretching it to the max 11 hours every day… because they wanted the overtime. If questioned, they pulled the no Engleeshki card. Their ■■■■ ripping included sitting in lay-bys (one of them went to sleep for 6 hours one day, then blamed traffic) and the canteen for a couple of hours a day to make sure it stretched out. They all lived pretty local, so could be in work and home again in 10 mins or so.
Whereas, I lived 35 miles away, it was 45mins to an hour commute each way. I didn’t particularly need (nor want) the overtime. Doing the run at a reasonable (read: leisurely, not rushing) pace, sticking to speed limits, and yes even stopping for the odd coffee and a few ■■■ breaks… I could do most of the runs in 8-9hours, then ■■■■ off home.
Why should i extend my day by 2-3 hours, sitting there bored out of my tree just because some other greedy ■■■■■■ wants the extra cash? The thing that ■■■■■■ me off most about that situation was the half of them couldn’t/didn’t/couldn’t be arsed to actually do the job properly, despite taking an extra 3 hours to do it. Makes me wonder who’s really ■■■■■■■ the job up - not the guy doing an honest days work, i’m sure.
robroy:
Just read your first sentence, can’t be arsed to read the details as I got the jist from that alone.
Basically mate you are one of those types who [zb] up the job for everyone else, it’s because of people like you that the job has become a rush rush rat race culture.
Presumably your firm had priced up the job to take x no. of hours for x no. of pounds, and were presumably content with that arrangement, but now because of you every body else in your firm will have to join the teararse club.
Nice one !
robroy:
Just read your first sentence, can’t be arsed to read the details as I got the jist from that alone.
Basically mate you are one of those types who [zb] up the job for everyone else, it’s because of people like you that the job has become a rush rush rat race culture.
Presumably your firm had priced up the job to take x no. of hours for x no. of pounds, and were presumably content with that arrangement, but now because of you every body else in your firm will have to join the teararse club.
Nice one !
Thanks for your kind words Rob
But re read the above post, I don’t race around, the runs are on a schedule, any problems transport office sort things out. not a cowboy company.
Sorry mate, you asked and that’ s my opinion as I see it.
The other guy did it in 12, if it’s a scheduled 10 hour job (if I’m reading it right) ok maybe he’s taking the ■■■■.
On the other hand you say you can make it into an 8 hour job, why do that if it’s scheduled for 10 ?
All you will achieve (apart from what I said in my last post) is to get more work to do for same money.(I’m assuming here you only do it for the money and not for love or the privelige)
Then one week things don’t go right a couple of times, so then that 10 hour job suddenly turns into an 11 hour job, and on a particular bad day a 12 hour job.
I notice one guy has almost proved my point on here already with his take on it, I’m assuming he drives a desk, so case in point.
So to revert to my original question (a bit more polite this time) why [zb] the job up for yourself and everybody else?
The way I see it is this job is as bad as it’s ever been in terms of expectations, the money and what those expectations are from firms for you to earn it.
So if you get a good little number where both drivers and managers are happy, and you are able to do it with little or no stress and hassle, why [zb] it up.
8 hours was start at noon, no traffic and no load at 1 collection. And no fueling up.
Next day nearly 11 hours as I came in an hour earlier. Some traffic and delays makes it a later finish but schedule has it down as 10.15 shift
Most days it is about 10 hours Rob
Tomorrow schedule is start at 10 collect empty trailer an hour away then collect live load at Heathrow at 14:30, leave at 16:30 scheduled to finish at 20:15 after taking load back to yard.
So I will be on the bunk grabbing zzzz’s whilst they load me.
Friday rules apply!
robroy:
Just read your first sentence, can’t be arsed to read the details as I got the jist from that alone.
Basically mate you are one of those types who [zb] up the job for everyone else, it’s because of people like you that the job has become a rush rush rat race culture.
Presumably your firm had priced up the job to take x no. of hours for x no. of pounds, and were presumably content with that arrangement, but now because of you every body else in your firm will have to join the teararse club.
Nice one !
+1. They never learn…
EB I did not cut the job up. Reread thread and what Honked says.
I just get on with the job get there when I get there. If I’m early it’s a bonus along with getting loaded early.
robroy:
Thing is though how many posts on here in the past, and how many times have you heard in real life ‘‘That [zb] is expecting me to get x no of drops off , and wants me back by … o clock’’ or ‘‘This job used to be easier, what happened’’
Why do you think that is, it’s usually or at least quite often, because some smart arse was wanting to make a name for himself in recent history…usually that name starts with a ‘C’.
Hilda.
I couldn’t give a flying [zb] what is “expected” of me drop or time wise whether by fellow drivers, planners or even the Boss, it takes as long as it takes ME to do it both safely and thoroughly, end of story, but I do not and never have strung the job out and I stopped rushing around like a blue arsed fly the day I moved on from transit van parcel deliveries!
robroy:
Just read your first sentence, can’t be arsed to read the details as I got the jist from that alone.
Basically mate you are one of those types who [zb] up the job for everyone else, it’s because of people like you that the job has become a rush rush rat race culture.
Presumably your firm had priced up the job to take x no. of hours for x no. of pounds, and were presumably content with that arrangement, but now because of you every body else in your firm will have to join the teararse club.
Nice one !
+1. They never learn…
EB I did not cut the job up. Reread thread and what Honked says.
I just get on with the job get there when I get there. If I’m early it’s a bonus along with getting loaded early.
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The thing is though mate, if a job is scheduled for 10 hours, then make sure it takes 10 hours.
It’s about sticking together as a collective group…
EB you’re as wholly wrong as any person who advocates tear-arsing the [zb] out of the job, why?
Because you are both extremists you fail to see or comprehend the middle ground, the balance, you bang your chest for drivers sticking together yet complain that they are nothing but a mindless flock of sheep bleating in unison.
Do the job efficiently but don’t take the ■■■■, is it really that difficult a balance to achieve?
Reef:
EB you’re as wholly wrong as any person who advocates tear-arsing the [zb] out of the job, why?
Because you are both extremists you fail to see or comprehend the middle ground, the balance, you bang your chest for drivers sticking together yet complain that they are nothing but a mindless flock of sheep bleating in unison.
Do the job efficiently but don’t take the ■■■■, is it really that difficult a balance to achieve?
What’s extreme about taking 10 hours to do a 10 hour job?
If you are paid by the hour and if your employer deducts your 45 min.break.If you choose to work your break are you not surrendering 45 mins.pay.Over a year,say,this could amount to a hefty sum.
commonrail:
In other words…you’re forking the job up…
Before you know it…they’ll have a "just nip"pinned onto that particular run.
Thanks to people like you.
Spot on,the “can you just on your way back” jobs have a nasty habit of taking longer than the original run to do aswell,if the original driver takes 12 hours and they don’t say anything to him why run round and get paid less for the same job.
To play devils advocate, next minute another company will come in and say, we can do that for £50.00 less than your current supplier and faster. See the Suttons thread.
And their drivers are pushed to the max…on less money.
Company can’t retain drivers,employ idiots…fleet gets trashed and service to the customer suffers.
The job is then we’ll and truly forked.
robroy:
because of you every body else in your firm will have to join the teararse club.
I dont think that’s a very fair comment tbh. The other side of the coin is that the regular driver was/is taking the ■■■■.
I used to work on milk tankers on GB domestic work… practically all the other drivers were foreign and ripped the absolute ■■■■ out of the job, stretching it to the max 11 hours every day… because they wanted the overtime. If questioned, they pulled the no Engleeshki card. Their ■■■■ ripping included sitting in lay-bys (one of them went to sleep for 6 hours one day, then blamed traffic) and the canteen for a couple of hours a day to make sure it stretched out. They all lived pretty local, so could be in work and home again in 10 mins or so.
Whereas, I lived 35 miles away, it was 45mins to an hour commute each way. I didn’t particularly need (nor want) the overtime. Doing the run at a reasonable (read: leisurely, not rushing) pace, sticking to speed limits, and yes even stopping for the odd coffee and a few ■■■ breaks… I could do most of the runs in 8-9hours, then ■■■■ off home.
Why should i extend my day by 2-3 hours, sitting there bored out of my tree just because some other greedy [zb] wants the extra cash? The thing that [zb] me off most about that situation was the half of them couldn’t/didn’t/couldn’t be arsed to actually do the job properly, despite taking an extra 3 hours to do it. Makes me wonder who’s really [zb] the job up - not the guy doing an honest days work, i’m sure.
Absofekkinlutely. Some of the agency (and so hourly paid) drivers at our place routinely make every day’s run last 12 hours or so. I do the same runs as they do. I am never at work for 12 hours - it’s more like 9 hours (including breaks). I certainly don’t tear around, take all my breaks properly (i.e. no tipping while on break) and consistently get the positive feedback from customers for going the extra mile as regards customer service (unlike said agency guys who consistently shrug with the “not my job to break down the pallet/put away the stock/take the pallet where it’s wanted/no speaka da English”).
Think some of us see this job differently to each other.
There’s running yourself ragged, or worse being run ragged, and there’s stretching the job out, but there’s also a happy medium
O/p said he sometimes does his designated 10 hour job in 8, I’ve already pointed out the potential negative effects of that but most seem to disagree, so we’ll agree to differ.
There are also different perspectives, I’m a tramper on hourly rate, if I do a 10 hour job in 8 I either lose 2 hours pay, or I get some other job to do, which is fine, but doing the same job next week I may be held up 2 hours, but I suddenlly find myself scheduled or booked in to do that other 2 hour job as last week, so my 12/13 hour day suddenly turns into 15 hours which I don’t particularly want tbh, but I’ve now made a rod for my own back, and contrary to Conor’s eloquent character analysis , I aint happy about working max hours any longer.
The other perspective is a day man on salary, I see your point, job and finish equals back home earlier, but I have not changed my opinion that if you set a pace ‘‘they’’ expect it to be maintained…not sticking my extremist chest out here either Mr Reef, I learned that one by experience.
So top and bottom is chaps, do the ■■■■ job as you see fit, fill yer boots, I don’t care, I’ll do the same,… but if your workload increases after carving up a 10 hour job to 8, tough ■■■■ because I know mine won’t.
robroy:
because of you every body else in your firm will have to join the teararse club.
I dont think that’s a very fair comment tbh. The other side of the coin is that the regular driver was/is taking the ■■■■.
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Yeh, and I agreed with that point on a previous post
(4th post down page 2 …quote; …‘‘The other guy did it in 12, if it’s a scheduled 10 he’s maybe taking the ■■■■’’ .unquote )
robroy:
Think some of us see this job differently to each other.
There’s running yourself ragged, or worse being run ragged, and there’s stretching the job out, but there’s also a happy medium
O/p said he sometimes does his designated 10 hour job in 8, I’ve already pointed out the potential negative effects of that but most seem to disagree, so we’ll agree to differ.
There are also different perspectives, I’m a tramper on hourly rate, if I do a 10 hour job in 8 I either lose 2 hours pay, or I get some other job to do, which is fine, but doing the same job next week I may be held up 2 hours, but I suddenlly find myself scheduled or booked in to do that other 2 hour job as last week, so my 12/13 hour day suddenly turns into 15 hours which I don’t particularly want tbh, but I’ve now made a rod for my own back, and contrary to Conor’s eloquent character analysis , I aint happy about working max hours any longer.
The other perspective is a day man on salary, I see your point, job and finish equals back home earlier, but I have not changed my opinion that if you set a pace ‘‘they’’ expect it to be maintained…not sticking my extremist chest out here either Mr Reef, I learned that one by experience.
So top and bottom is chaps, do the [zb] job as you see fit, fill yer boots, I don’t care, I’ll do the same,… but if your workload increases after carving up a 10 hour job to 8, tough [zb] because I know mine won’t.
Yes, happy medium. Possibly because management are ex drivers we don’t think because a job is done in 8 hours one day, it should be done in 8 hours every day. Things go well, things go badly, take it as it comes. We don’t take the ■■■■, the drivers don’t, everyone’s as happy as they can be.
robroy:
Yes, happy medium. Possibly because management are ex drivers we don’t think because a job is done in 8 hours one day, it should be done in 8 hours every day. Things go well, things go badly, take it as it comes. We don’t take the ■■■■, the drivers don’t, everyone’s as happy as they can be.
Same at my place. Just because I managed a run in excellent time doesn’t mean everyone will.
I got lucky with a run the other week, couldn’t have went better and I was more than an hour ahead. Same way the next time and I was nearly an hour behind the usual times. That’s the way it goes.
I don’t work at a place full of string the job out moaning faced agency clowns which makes the difference. We all do our best, no fannies here.
I refuse to let this job kill me and I refuse to let stress rule me. I take whatever time necessary to do the job properly, if some do the same job quicker and some do it slower I don’t really care tbh. Only once in my illustrious career has someone ever said “well, driver A can do the job in X hours” to which my reply was the predictable “well let driver A do it all the time then!”.
My point is that if you fly under the radar and don’t draw attention to yourself then most companies are happy to let you do it in a way that suits you.
