Think I’m agreeing with all sides on this, varying perspectives based on whether your a tramper, day driver or limper.
Looking at the op again all I would do different is chuck in another hour, maybe a 15/30 break jobby, especially if 45break is deducted. But apart from that no gripes from me.
For perspective my job today was a run from Chelmsford to Plymouth then back to Bristol.
13 hour day, 8.58 hour drive (still have 2x10’s so no biggy), 3 hours ish break. (45 on the way down, 1 hour on bay, 30 on way back up then another 30 before heading to park up).
Could have easily stretched it to 14+ but saving my last 15 for tomorrow.
Edit: Golden rule applies: “If you have a chance for 11 off chuffing take it”.
I’m lucky though as most of the lads i work with would have done it in around the same time, coz we bloody talk to each other …
robroy:
Think some of us see this job differently to each other.
There’s running yourself ragged, or worse being run ragged, and there’s stretching the job out, but there’s also a happy medium
O/p said he sometimes does his designated 10 hour job in 8, I’ve already pointed out the potential negative effects of that but most seem to disagree, so we’ll agree to differ.
There are also different perspectives, I’m a tramper on hourly rate, if I do a 10 hour job in 8 I either lose 2 hours pay, or I get some other job to do, which is fine, but doing the same job next week I may be held up 2 hours, but I suddenlly find myself scheduled or booked in to do that other 2 hour job as last week, so my 12/13 hour day suddenly turns into 15 hours which I don’t particularly want tbh, but I’ve now made a rod for my own back, and contrary to Conor’s eloquent character analysis , I aint happy about working max hours any longer.
The other perspective is a day man on salary, I see your point, job and finish equals back home earlier, but I have not changed my opinion that if you set a pace ‘‘they’’ expect it to be maintained…not sticking my extremist chest out here either Mr Reef, I learned that one by experience.
So top and bottom is chaps, do the [zb] job as you see fit, fill yer boots, I don’t care, I’ll do the same,… but if your workload increases after carving up a 10 hour job to 8, tough [zb] because I know mine won’t.
Yes, happy medium. Possibly because management are ex drivers we don’t think because a job is done in 8 hours one day, it should be done in 8 hours every day. Things go well, things go badly, take it as it comes. We don’t take the ■■■■, the drivers don’t, everyone’s as happy as they can be.
I fully understand and agree with that, but many firms are not as fair minded with their men as you appear to be.
It’s an absolute fact if you set a pace as a new driver, you are expected to maintain it.
So better to make it as manageable a pace as you can, which is the happy medium I mentioned, between going like a ■■■■ headcase on crack, and stringing the job out to some ridiculous time scale, but apparenty some on here can not comprehend that, and fail to see the difference between taking the ■■■■, and when you do a job both in an allocated time, and at a safe non stressful pace.
I think I’m maybe being misunderstood as some gob ■■■■■ I won’t do this/I won’t do that character (ok bring on the sarcasm ) I aint,… I have worked for firms who have tended to do exactly what I have said on previous posts, the ■■■■ Dutch were masters at it, the firm I now work for try it on but they know I won’t be ■■■■ ed about like that, so a few of the others get the hassle instead, and complain to everybody except the boss, and mostly because they set that go like ■■■■ type carve up pace in the first place.
In this job I react to the way the firm look upon me and my fellow drivers, and I react accordingly to whatever that situation is, that is all.
On the other hand a firm that I worked for were the exact opposite, looked after their drivers as assets, and I was the model employee.
Why can most firms not see that if you are treated with respect and not ■■■■ taken most decent drivers will react accordinglly.
i think it depends on company i like to just get job done park up or go home if a friday we get left alone to manage are own work/breaks places to spend night etc long as you dont take the ■■■■ alls good not that you would want to as we are salaried
robroy:
Think some of us see this job differently to each other.
There’s running yourself ragged, or worse being run ragged, and there’s stretching the job out, but there’s also a happy medium
O/p said he sometimes does his designated 10 hour job in 8, I’ve already pointed out the potential negative effects of that but most seem to disagree, so we’ll agree to differ.
There are also different perspectives, I’m a tramper on hourly rate, if I do a 10 hour job in 8 I either lose 2 hours pay, or I get some other job to do, which is fine, but doing the same job next week I may be held up 2 hours, but I suddenlly find myself scheduled or booked in to do that other 2 hour job as last week, so my 12/13 hour day suddenly turns into 15 hours which I don’t particularly want tbh, but I’ve now made a rod for my own back, and contrary to Conor’s eloquent character analysis , I aint happy about working max hours any longer.
The other perspective is a day man on salary, I see your point, job and finish equals back home earlier, but I have not changed my opinion that if you set a pace ‘‘they’’ expect it to be maintained…not sticking my extremist chest out here either Mr Reef, I learned that one by experience.
So top and bottom is chaps, do the [zb] job as you see fit, fill yer boots, I don’t care, I’ll do the same,… but if your workload increases after carving up a 10 hour job to 8, tough [zb] because I know mine won’t.
Yes, happy medium. Possibly because management are ex drivers we don’t think because a job is done in 8 hours one day, it should be done in 8 hours every day. Things go well, things go badly, take it as it comes. We don’t take the ■■■■, the drivers don’t, everyone’s as happy as they can be.
I fully understand and agree with that, but many firms are not as fair minded with their men as you appear to be.
It’s an absolute fact if you set a pace as a new driver, you are expected to maintain it.
So better to make it as manageable a pace as you can, which is the happy medium I mentioned, between going like a [zb] headcase on crack, and stringing the job out to some ridiculous time scale, but apparenty some on here can not comprehend that, and fail to see the difference between taking the ■■■■, and when you do a job both in an allocated time, and at a safe non stressful pace.
I think I’m maybe being misunderstood as some gob [zb] I won’t do this/I won’t do that character (ok bring on the sarcasm ) I aint,… I have worked for firms who have tended to do exactly what I have said on previous posts, the [zb] Dutch were masters at it, the firm I now work for try it on but they know I won’t be [zb] ed about like that, so a few of the others get the hassle instead, and complain to everybody except the boss, and mostly because they set that go like [zb] type carve up pace in the first place.
In this job I react to the way the firm look upon me and my fellow drivers, and I react accordingly to whatever that situation is, that is all.
On the other hand a firm that I worked for were the exact opposite, looked after their drivers as assets, and I was the model employee.
Why can most firms not see that if you are treated with respect and not ■■■■ taken most decent drivers will react accordinglly.
Quite a few of our jobs have slack built into them. We do a run from Orleans to Esbjerg, double manned, which is just about do-able on max hours, but there’s no point chancing it. So, we have a swap over crew midway around Cologne. They get around 28 hours usually in Cologne. Ten hours up to port, with about four hours built in for delays. UK jobs are more tightly scheduled, but not daft.
I’ve not seen anyone do a run and it take longer than I’d expect, bar the inevitable weather/accident delays.
I love those bods who rip the arse out the job, whatever time they get to work they’re blasting out the gate 14 minutes later, you could set your watch by 'em.
What you don’t see is them ever lift the bonnet, nor do they go through the menu for oil because the keys are rammed in and 1 millionth of a second later the engine’s on a fast idle, they run round doing supposed checks, half the time they have various lights out, wheel pointers missing, if a remould had lost a tread they wouldn’t bloody see it.
You can’t tell if there’s anyone in the cab as they go through the gate cos the windows and mirrors are so minging its impossible to see in or out…no doubt been left by another bod who wants to be finished before he started.
When the get back they never bother to wash the vehicle, nor take the various sweet/pie wrappers out that they threw about, nor did they wipe up the coffee they had to drink whilst tearing about , and they definately didn’t give the oil starved turbo half a second to cool down before switching off as they dived out the door whilst the parking brake was applying itself…these are the bods that need automatic parking brakes.
Couldn’t give a tuppenies what time they do it in, anyone says to me i’m taking too long i have a stock answer…well i delivered the correct product to the correct pipeline at the correct customer’s premises (obviously depends on your job), the customer is happy, i’ve brought the lorry back in one piece, it has no defects because i’ve sorted everything that needed doing (often various problems left by billy whizz ), and the lorry is clean for the next man.
One thing the flyers do though is water the wheels regularly, haven’t got time to find a real toilet for a ■■■■■.
the maoster:
I refuse to let this job kill me and I refuse to let stress rule me. I take whatever time necessary to do the job properly, if some do the same job quicker and some do it slower I don’t really care tbh. Only once in my illustrious career has someone ever said “well, driver A can do the job in X hours” to which my reply was the predictable “well let driver A do it all the time then!”.
My point is that if you fly under the radar and don’t draw attention to yourself then most companies are happy to let you do it in a way that suits you.
Honked:
When the drivers all sit down on a Friday and divvy out a fair share of the wages kitty, then do what they ask.
If that ain’t happening then just worry about earning your own wage.
Those moaning about taking a break on a bay are the ones winging that they can’t get back in time as they have been held up in roadworks.
A run scheduled for 10 that can be done in 8 is just not timing it to the minute so that the driver can still do the run when the inevitable delays occur. Doing it in 8 sounds like it was a trouble free run, doing it in 12 every time sounds like a ■■■■ take, but the questions I asked in my first response still enter the equation.
Honked:
When the drivers all sit down on a Friday and divvy out a fair share of the wages kitty, then do what they ask.
If that ain’t happening then just worry about earning your own wage.
Those moaning about taking a break on a bay are the ones winging that they can’t get back in time as they have been held up in roadworks.
A run scheduled for 10 that can be done in 8 is just not timing it to the minute so that the driver can still do the run when the inevitable delays occur. Doing it in 8 sounds like it was a trouble free run, doing it in 12 every time sounds like a ■■■■ take, but the questions I asked in my first response still enter the equation.
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What? You expect to know all the facts before passing comment?
Tssk! Whatever next.
muckles:
So the time given for the job is generous beyond belief, but you only mange to get within 30 minutes of that time or even go over it, this would suggest you’re stringing the job out a bit.
Well tonight I ended up going over a few minutes because I had to wait for an empty trailer. The 30 minutes can be on anything from a 9hr to 10hr+ shift and often it is dictated by the number of wagons waiting to fuel up and go through the wash at the end of the shift rather than what time I arrive at the yard.
I spent most of my years in the job taking my break while it was parked on the dock between runs.If you’re complying with the rules that break means break what’s the problem.While parking up when there’s no need at best means less daily rest or at worse getting stuck in loads of morning traffic if it’s night trunking to the point of possibly running out of driving time for example.
While if it’s the type of guvnor who says you’re back early do another job then tell them to zb off there’s not enough driving time left.Or if there’s plenty of driving time say fine if there’s plenty of overtime in it for me depending on the contracted hours.In which case why would anyone want to needlessly hang out a job to 12 hours,at the expense of daily rest time,unless its absolutely necessary bearing in mind a usual 9 hours max driving limit let alone running less than that.
commonrail:
In other words…you’re forking the job up…
Before you know it…they’ll have a "just nip"pinned onto that particular run.
Thanks to people like you.
Spot on,the “can you just on your way back” jobs have a nasty habit of taking longer than the original run to do aswell,if the original driver takes 12 hours and they don’t say anything to him why run round and get paid less for the same job.
To play devils advocate, next minute another company will come in and say, we can do that for £50.00 less than your current supplier and faster. See the Suttons thread.
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This all day long.
far too many (not all) who are hourly paid deliberately drag the job out unnecessarily costing the company who pay their wages extra unneeded expense. We’re paid by the load O/D and employed, its surprising how much more gets done…
AndrewG:
far too many (not all) who are hourly paid deliberately drag the job out unnecessarily costing the company who pay their wages extra unneeded expense. We’re paid by the load O/D and employed, its surprising how much more gets done…
Hourly pay probably works ok if it’s a reasonable rate based on a reasonable shift time + optional overtime.So getting back in good time doesn’t result in being ‘asked’ to do ‘another job’ for insufficient reward or the driver doesn’t want it and wants to go home.
Realistically no one wants to needlessly hang out a job when they could be at home instead.Unless it’s a case of the hourly rate being low and/or being ‘asked’ to do unwanted and/or effectively unpaid for ‘over time’ when they get back.
You’ve never been married have you Carryfast? If you had you would know there’s a multitude of reasons why a man would want to spend a few extra hours at work lol
andy187:
Last week I was asked why am i doing a run that another driver did in 12 hours that takes me between 8 to 10 depending on traffic.
Explained to driver assessor/trainer my job for the day
Run meant to start at 1pm, but previous driver booked on at 12:00, I decided to start at 12:30 or 12:45 depending on run to work.
Leave yard A at 13:00
Travel to yard B solo , arrive 13:50 collect empty trailer. leave yard B after getting a coffee and chin wag (14:10) for collection at customer C
15:00 load trailer, other work as I am in back with pump truck , leave for next customer 15:30, arrive 15:35 (next door almost!) ,reverse onto loading bay, rest mode selected as i get coffee and read/browse web, kip for next hour or so.
16:45 leave customer. All i do is select OW then pull forward padlock trailer.
18:00 arrive at yard B drop trailer, find empty, grab coffee , more chin wag
18:15 to 18:30 (depending on trailer situation i.e trying to find one that isn’t VOR lol) leave for customer D arrive 19:00 leave 19:15 (1 pallet!) then off to customer E (19:45) to transship then trailer swap
leave at 20:15 back to yard B at 20:45
leave yard B solo (21:00) arrive at yard A 21:45 book off at 22:00 after fueling up
maybe a bit later depending on traffic on M42 or M5 in day.
Any way assessor says that I can not have a break on loading bay!
Asked him where does it say that in regulations?
“oh you just can’t” he says
You can’t have a break on a bay with this particular customer because that is what has been put in place. What happens if you take a break on the bay, reach 35 +mins and get asked to pull off because other vehicles want to get on it? Past experiences I have seen Drivers losing the head with loaders/managers because they won’t let them remain on break for another few mins. The bay is part of the warehouse/workplace. You wouldn’t take a break in the middle of the yard and block access, would you?
andy187:
Last week I was asked why am i doing a run that another driver did in 12 hours that takes me between 8 to 10 depending on traffic.
Explained to driver assessor/trainer my job for the day
Run meant to start at 1pm, but previous driver booked on at 12:00, I decided to start at 12:30 or 12:45 depending on run to work.
Leave yard A at 13:00
Travel to yard B solo , arrive 13:50 collect empty trailer. leave yard B after getting a coffee and chin wag (14:10) for collection at customer C
15:00 load trailer, other work as I am in back with pump truck , leave for next customer 15:30, arrive 15:35 (next door almost!) ,reverse onto loading bay, rest mode selected as i get coffee and read/browse web, kip for next hour or so.
16:45 leave customer. All i do is select OW then pull forward padlock trailer.
18:00 arrive at yard B drop trailer, find empty, grab coffee , more chin wag
18:15 to 18:30 (depending on trailer situation i.e trying to find one that isn’t VOR lol) leave for customer D arrive 19:00 leave 19:15 (1 pallet!) then off to customer E (19:45) to transship then trailer swap
leave at 20:15 back to yard B at 20:45
leave yard B solo (21:00) arrive at yard A 21:45 book off at 22:00 after fueling up
maybe a bit later depending on traffic on M42 or M5 in day.
Any way assessor says that I can not have a break on loading bay!
Asked him where does it say that in regulations?
“oh you just can’t” he says
You can’t have a break on a bay with this particular customer because that is what has been put in place. What happens if you take a break on the bay, reach 35 +mins and get asked to pull off because other vehicles want to get on it? Past experiences I have seen Drivers losing the head with loaders/managers because they won’t let them remain on break for another few mins. The bay is part of the warehouse/workplace. You wouldn’t take a break in the middle of the yard and block access, would you?
The customer starts loading after at least half an hour after i back on bay… any way never heard of restarting your break? (15+30)
Don’t know who you work for Andy and I don’t know what it is that you do, but if it’s trunking to distribution hubs, they will want their bays clear ASAP. I have done trunking for various parcel companies, Nightfreight (now XP), DPD, Palletforce and Palletline and all the hubs I’ve been to state that you MUST NOT take your break on a bay. Reason…bays need to freed as soon as possible to enable the next trailer to be unloaded/loaded. It’s a quick turn around system that they operate, that’s how it works. So it’s uncouple and the shunter deals with the trailer, or once you’ve been tipped out to the parking area and go back there later to be loaded with your return load.
pierrot 14:
Don’t know who you work for Andy and I don’t know what it is that you do, but if it’s trunking to distribution hubs, they will want their bays clear ASAP. I have done trunking for various parcel companies, Nightfreight (now XP), DPD, Palletforce and Palletline and all the hubs I’ve been to state that you MUST NOT take your break on a bay. Reason…bays need to freed as soon as possible to enable the next trailer to be unloaded/loaded. It’s a quick turn around system that they operate, that’s how it works. So it’s uncouple and the shunter deals with the trailer, or once you’ve been tipped out to the parking area and go back there later to be loaded with your return load.
It is not a hub but a customer, The company i work for send you to most customers early, so that you can have a break as they would rather you not take a break on way back … like today… 2 hours to load,ended up 10 hour shift…
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, I aint happy about working max hours any longer.
) I aint,… I have worked for firms who have tended to do exactly what I have said on previous posts, the ■■■■ Dutch were masters at it, the firm I now work for try it on but they know I won’t be ■■■■ ed about like that, so a few of the others get the hassle instead, and complain to everybody except the boss, and mostly because they set that go like ■■■■ type carve up pace in the first place.
, and they definately didn’t give the oil starved turbo half a second to cool down before switching off as they dived out the door whilst the parking brake was applying itself…these are the bods that need automatic parking brakes.
