Mike-C:
Now try the corrected question again.
Again driving hours are not an issue…
Finish a full weekly rest and resume work for the week at 9am Monday morning. Plan is to work maximum hours and days so that we will use three 15 hour days and three 13 hour days. That should see us finishing our weeks work and starting a weekly rest at 10pm on Saturday. We resume work at 1pm Tuesday and plan to do the maximum lenght shifts and minimum breaks again. When is the next weekly rest due, and why?
FULL WEEKLY REST
Mon 0900 - Tue 0000 - 9 off
Tue 0900 - Wed 0000 - 9 off
Wed 0900 - Thu 0000 - 9 off
Thu 0900 - Thu 2200 - 11 off
Fri 0900 - Fri 2200 - 11 off
Sat 0900 - Sat 2200 - FULL WEEKLY REST
Tue 1300 - Wed 0400 - 9 off
Wed 1300 - Thu 0400 - 9 off
Thu 1300 - Fri 0400 - 9 off
Fri 1300 - Sat 0200 - 11 off
Sat 1300 - Sun 0200 - 11 off
Sun 1300 - Mon 0200 - WEEKLY REST (full or reduced)
MY ANSWER Monday 0200
MY REASON no more can be done within the 144 hours (6 X 24 hours) from starting at Tue 1300
Was I correct 
ROG:
Was I correct
No you were not. 
Go back and look at the weekly rest requirements again, you are all missing something important.
Coffeeholic:
ROG:
Was I correct
No you were not. Go back and look at the weekly rest requirements again, you are all missing something important.
- In any two consecutive weeks a driver shall take at least:
– two regular weekly rest periods, or
– one regular weekly rest period and one reduced weekly
rest period of at least 24 hours. However, the reduction
shall be compensated by an equivalent period of rest
taken en bloc before the end of the third week following
the week in question.
A weekly rest period shall start no later than at the end of six
24-hour periods from the end of the previous weekly rest
period.
Ok, so lets see…
AH !! - is it the - In any two consecutive weeks - as a week is sunday midnight to sunday midnight then the weekly must start by sunday 2359
rest must be taken before 9 am mon.as you must have a rest, In any two consecutive ‘fixed’ weeks two regular weekly rests; or
- one regular weekly rest and one reduced weekly rest. must be taken
and cos he started is fist week at 9 am mon
delboytwo:
rest must be taken before 9 am mon.as you must have a rest, In any two consecutive ‘fixed’ weeks two regular weekly rests; or
- one regular weekly rest and one reduced weekly rest. must be taken
and cos he started is fist week at 9 am mon
How did he start his fixed week at 09:00 Monday? His and every other drivers fixed week always starts at 00:00 Monday. That’s why it’s fixed, it always happens at the same time.
Coffeeholic:
delboytwo:
rest must be taken before 9 am mon.as you must have a rest, In any two consecutive ‘fixed’ weeks two regular weekly rests; or
- one regular weekly rest and one reduced weekly rest. must be taken
and cos he started is fist week at 9 am mon
How did he start his fixed week at 09:00 Monday? His and every other drivers fixed week always starts at 00:00 Monday. That’s why it’s fixed, it always happens at the same time.
i was basing my post on the time he started is duties on Mon at 9 am in theory based on the quote below
his fixed week would be 9 am Mon til 9 am Mon
Note: An actual working week starts at the end of a weekly rest period, and finishes when another
weekly rest period is commenced, which may mean weekly rest is taken in the middle of a fixed
(Monday to Sunday) week. This is perfectly acceptable — the working week is not required to be
aligned with the ‘fixed’ week contained in the rules, provided all the relevant limits are complied with.
delboytwo:
i was basing my post on the time he started is duties on Mon at 9 am in theory based on the quote below
his fixed week would be 9 am Mon til 9 am Mon
His working week will be from 13:00 Tuesday until ■■:■■ (the answer to Mike’s question) while his fixed week will be, as it is every single week, 00:00 Monday - 24:00 Sunday. The fixed week never changes while the working week does. The working week can begin in one fixed week and end in another, which is why the daily rest reductions are now limited to 3 between weekly rest periods. Under the old rules it was possible to do 6 reductions in a row if your working week straddled two fixed weeks. You can still do 4x10 hour driving days in a row though, if your working week has at least 2 days in one fixed week and the rest in another.
i done no where this as com from but here go 2 am on tues
Coffeeholic:
delboytwo:
i done no where this as com from but here go 2 am on tues
Why?
help is the time right and the reson was in my early post
Coffeeholic:
ROG:
Ok, so lets see…
AH !! - is it the - In any two consecutive weeks - as a week is sunday midnight to sunday midnight then the weekly must start by sunday 2359
That can’t be right ROG. On the other big thread about number of shifts between weekly rest periods has been argued, by you and others, that 24 hours cannot be less than 24 hours for calculating when a weekly rest is due, mainly because of the 144 hours thing. If 23:59 was the correct answer that would mean that 144 hours can be less than 144 but 24 hours cannot be less than 24. 
13:00 Tuesday - 23:59 Sunday is only 130 hours and 59 minutes.
The maximum is 6 X 24 between weekly rests - got that
There must be 2 weekly rests in any 2 weeks (2 X sun 0000 to sun 0000) - got that
So it would therefore be whichever was arrived at first
i am going to say this
2 am on tues cos A weekly rest period that falls in two weeks may be
counted in either week, but not in both.
ROG:
The maximum is 6 X 24 between weekly rests - got that
There must be 2 weekly rests in any 2 weeks (2 X sun 0000 to sun 0000) - got that
So it would therefore be whichever was arrived at first
Agreed.
So why isn’t it 144 hours or 6x24 hour periods whichever comes first? 
New 24-hour period begins each time you complete a rest period, as stated in the regulations.
Seems to me that this 144 hour thing, which appears to be a UK only thing, only works because those arguing that side are happy for 144 hours to be less than 144 hours due to one part of the regulations, at least one rest period in each fixed week, but not for another part of the regulations, new 24-hour period each time you compete a rest period and maximum 6 between weekly rest periods.
delboytwo:
help is the time right and the reson was in my early post
No.
delboytwo:
i am going to say this
2 am on tues cos A weekly rest period that falls in two weeks may be counted in either week, but not in both.
If he doesn’t take a rest period until then where is the rest period for the week when he resumed work at 13:00 Tuesday? The one that finished at 13:00 Tuesday was for the previous week, Mike clarified that, so that would mean no rest period for that week.
delboytwo:
i am going to say this
2 am on tues cos A weekly rest period that falls in two weeks may be
counted in either week, but not in both.
Which one are you working off Del as there are two different senarios -
The original had the second week starting on Monday and the second senario started the second week on a Tuesday
ROG:
delboytwo:
i am going to say this
2 am on tues cos A weekly rest period that falls in two weeks may be
counted in either week, but not in both.
Which one are you working off Del as there are two different senarios -
The original had the second week starting on Monday and the second senario started the second week on a Tuesday
Either way 02:00 Tuesday is way out.
Coffeeholic:
ROG:
The maximum is 6 X 24 between weekly rests - got that
There must be 2 weekly rests in any 2 weeks (2 X sun 0000 to sun 0000) - got that
So it would therefore be whichever was arrived at first
Agreed.
So why isn’t it 144 hours or 6x24 hour periods whichever comes first? New 24-hour period begins each time you complete a rest period, as stated in the regulations.
Seems to me that this 144 hour thing, which appears to be a UK only thing, only works because those arguing that side are happy for 144 hours to be less than 144 hours because of one part of the regulations, at least one rest period in each fixed week, but not for another part of the regulations, new 24-hour period each time you compete a rest period and maximum 6 between weekly rest periods.
I see it differently as each part can be taken as a rule on it’s own.
The regulation article 8 6 has within it certain rules which must be adhered to.
It demands that two weekly rests are to be taken during two fixed weeks.
it also states that a weekly rest must start no later than at the end of 6 X 24 hour periods.
It does not say that there is a right to do 6 X 24 hours between weekly rests
I fail to see any confusion - or am I missing something
ROG:
It does not say that there is a right to do 6 X 24 hours between weekly rests
Agreed, it doesn’t say that.
In the same way it says nothing about 144 hours.
so far one has touched on the correct answer, but the wrong explanation, another almost got the explanation right and got the wrong answer!! The actual explanation is a very simple straightforward fact. Its not convoluted, obscure or anything else. There has to be a weekly rest period, that is something which happens every week. Does that help anyone nail it?