Are you directing that comment at anyone in particular?
albion1971:
Captain Caveman 76:
the maoster:
I would say that to physically make a lorry move you need a small degree of eye hand coordination. To drive one properly you need to develop a skill. Unfortunately that skill is hard to quantify, hence we get these threads.What about reversing onto a bay, turning in a tight yard or manouvering in a supermarket car park whilst surrounded by pedestrians and other vehicles? They all require the application of skill. Some people on here don’t realise how difficult their job is, or how good at it they are.
It is not hard and it is not difficult at least not to most. Yes it requires a certain amount of skill and practice but the majority of people could do it if they wanted and that is why it is not especially well paid job.
As someone said good hand eye coordination helps.
Some drivers learn very quickly and others take forever and some never really learn at all.
I have made a good living from truck driving/training but if I had my time over I would study hard and get better qualified and therefore a far better job where I was not despised by so many. To many bad eggs in the industry I think.
That could be said about most jobs, everything is difficult until you learn hoq to do it!
As for studying hard and getting qualifications, I did that and became a teacher. I left that after ten years to drive lorries! Every industry/proffession atbthe moment (apart from banking and solicitors) are struggling with working conditions. “More for less” seems to be every employers mantra these days.
i was talking to a girl who works 37 hours a week, just doing basic office types of things like inputting date on a computer or printing off bills etc, its not rocket science any idiot can do it even a driver could do that job
it pays her 28k a year plus bonuses and 6 weeks holidays, her partner works for a big company that makes cars he does just 4 days a week and brings home over 400 quid a week and the job he does is easy with plenty of breaks etc
so can drivers honestly look at themselves and the hours of work and think there in such a good job ? while there are other jobs out there that dont need any skills that pay a lot more or they might pay the same but for low hours and better conditions
drivers think working 50 60 hours a week to make 6 or 7 hundread a week is good money but if they look around and compare i think the answer is clear drivers are being taken for the mugs they are
wages and conditions and of course the lack of back bone within the industry are all factors every driver moans about, but what good is it getting anyone for moaning about it, you will have to either try to get organised and do something together or forever just go with the flow and hope one day you might get a job with a company that might still pay you right
but there dying out as new contracts these days are not the same as some of the older drivers will be on in the same company for doing the same job there worth a lot less in many of the big firms
My partner earns more than hgv drivers do, and she sits on her ■■■■ in a ‘proper’ air conditioned office (no wheels). 
My recent job at Caterpillar in Stafford, building up ancillaries for engines was paying £13.60 hour, that was working a rotating two shift system though.
For driving work I have been offered £7.20 for driving rigids and £8.00 for artics last year on steel deliveries (non agency) and I regularly see the crap work doing shop and home deliveries advertised at poor money, so truly not sure how some of those wages offered are ever going to attract enough young drivers.
1rustyspring:
Are you directing that comment at anyone in particular?
I can think of a few off the top of my head!
Freight Dog:
the maoster:
BILL1961:
Mortified. Taxi for 1. Bloody hell. Trust his kids uniform to be very similar to the Krankies in the grainy picture. Believe it or not we’ve actually been good friends ever since
hahahahaha!!! talk about foot in mouth. 
well done OP for refusing to work for less than £11per hour.i wouldnt work for that ten yrs ago.
this isn’t an industry to get rich in…i’m sure you know this already though lol.
desypete:
drivers think working 50 60 hours a week to make 6 or 7 hundread a week is good money but if they look around and compare i think the answer is clear drivers are being taken for the mugs they are
You are a mass of contradictions desypete, in fact you are a Freudian ■■■■■■■■■ as only last week you were crowing about working seven days a week sans card and bragging about the money it earned you. What’s it to be then mate? Give us an answer please.
1rustyspring:
I wonder what would happen if we all said NO to the big logistic companies who pay really crap wages.Here’s one for you wage slip was blowing around in a smoking shelter,my neighbor picked it up and was astounded that this guy whom he knew worked for a company who had squeezed there way in to his firm, (Malcolm),they were only paying £8.25 p.h. for nights this was for shunting.
I am with my neighbor I think its disgusting,there are too many of these greedy me. me, me, firms out there who are choking the life out of the drivers and the industry.
So what would happen if we all said NO?.
I pay over 11 pound an hour, plus various allowances. I have lads that just won’t leave, so guess they are happy.
Having driven myself I can see things from both sides. I remember seeing an article with Gregorys, and the MD worked on about 3%, which is pretty rubbish but also the industry standard. Until rates go up, then pay can’t go up. Hauliers are much like drivers sometimes, all working for less and less, to whose benefit?
A guy I know recently set up doing filming with a drone. Fair play he has guided kit, but it certainly didn’t cost anywhere near what a trucking a nd trailer cost yet he gets 200 quid more a day than I do for a double manned truck. It’s crazy.
desypete:
i was talking to a girl who works 37 hours a week, just doing basic office types of things like inputting date on a computer or printing off bills etc, its not rocket science any idiot can do it even a driver could do that job
If the job centre was full of jobs like that the queue would be out the door. Unfortunately, that’s simply not the case.
Terry T:
desypete:
i was talking to a girl who works 37 hours a week, just doing basic office types of things like inputting date on a computer or printing off bills etc, its not rocket science any idiot can do it even a driver could do that jobIf the job centre was full of jobs like that the queue would be out the door. Unfortunately, that’s simply not the case.
yes that is true but the point i am making is for a driver to compare what they have to do, the hours they have to put in and the responsibility they have let alone the cost of the training to get the job there in has cost them
compare it to people who do these types of jobs and the pay and working condition they get well its no contest is it, drivers are the mugs for not getting what they should get in my view and its only the drivers themselves that can ever change it but while there are so many out there willing to carry on then why oh why should a boss ever feel the need to be generous to the drivers ?
the maoster:
desypete:
drivers think working 50 60 hours a week to make 6 or 7 hundread a week is good money but if they look around and compare i think the answer is clear drivers are being taken for the mugs they areYou are a mass of contradictions desypete, in fact you are a Freudian ■■■■■■■■■ as only last week you were crowing about working seven days a week sans card and bragging about the money it earned you. What’s it to be then mate? Give us an answer please.
Pete thinks someone working 60 hours a week for £700 is a ■■■■, but just a couple of weeks ago he posted that at one point he was, in fact, working 70 hours a week for exactly the same sum.
What the obvious conclusion from that then Pete?
Olog Hai:
the maoster:
desypete:
drivers think working 50 60 hours a week to make 6 or 7 hundread a week is good money but if they look around and compare i think the answer is clear drivers are being taken for the mugs they areYou are a mass of contradictions desypete, in fact you are a Freudian ■■■■■■■■■ as only last week you were crowing about working seven days a week sans card and bragging about the money it earned you. What’s it to be then mate? Give us an answer please.
Pete thinks someone working 60 hours a week for £700 is a ■■■■, but just a couple of weeks ago he posted that at one point he was, in fact, working 70 hours a week for exactly the same sum.
What the obvious conclusion from that then Pete?
are you really so thick or do you try to misquote me on purpose ?
you know what the difference was for me when i was earning that money it was 20 years ago when 700 quid was worth a hell of a lot more than it is today, oh i forgot your the moron who keeps trying to work out what the hell i am doing these days to earn money
do you honestly think i would tell you anything at all about me ? or what i am doing to make money these days ? one thing i have learned about drivers like you my friend is never trust them with anything as if you give them ideas it will cost you as they stab you in the back trying to get your job from you
the maoster:
desypete:
drivers think working 50 60 hours a week to make 6 or 7 hundread a week is good money but if they look around and compare i think the answer is clear drivers are being taken for the mugs they areYou are a mass of contradictions desypete, in fact you are a Freudian ■■■■■■■■■ as only last week you were crowing about working seven days a week sans card and bragging about the money it earned you. What’s it to be then mate? Give us an answer please.
how can i say this so the braininess can understand the point i am making ?
wages should be a lot more than the 6 or 700 quid a week that can be made these days if your going to put the hours in, as i base it on the fact i was earning that kind of money 20 years ago and it was good money back then tanker drivers and car transporters were earning more than i could and lot more hence they were the big money jobs and no one could get a job on them 20 years ago not like today as there are jobs going for anyone mug enough to work for the money there now paying
a pint would of cost a quid, a pack of smoke dirt cheap holidays a lot cheapers, you name it everything was cheaper 20 years ago and a wage of 6 - 700 quid was a great wage
today what will you take home on average ? 400 say for arguments sake ? take out your mortgage costs and living costs what do you have left ? i had plenty of money left over years ago doing the same job
why do you think i walked away from the job and many others did to when the cpc came in ? the job is not worth it any more for me i can make a living outside of driving without all the red tape
i need to be a driver
i know some of you guys feel like a wally for not sticking your neck out and standing firm etc but after so long in the game myself its clear to see the job is just a pile of crap now for less pay more red tape, more health and safey bollov and more crap treatment were ever you end up delivering to more upstart planners trying to get you to do more its just a mine field of bollox and the money is ■■■■
but then i can compare what i used to be able to make to what is on offer now where as the new guys who never had the money i made years ago have no idea, nor do they know what the job was like years ago and the difference in the job, even the drivers today will shoot you in the back for anything there worse than a bunch of old women some of them
in fact i can see more than one or 2 of them posting away on this site who remind me so much of the bell end drivers i dont like at all
Couple of things, Mr Angry.
One is that I couldn’t pinch your job from you even if I wanted as you don’t have one; and two, as I told you before, I haven’t driven a truck for a number of years.
The lesson’s simple Pedro. If you want so sit there like a braindead halfwit telling everyone else on this board that they are morons, don’t be surprised if you get a bit back every once in a while. Now, Bargain Booze will be open so go and fetch your six-pack of White Lightening and don’t be late for the dole office on Monday.
Olog Hai:
Couple of things, Mr Angry.One is that I couldn’t pinch your job from you even if I wanted as you don’t have one; and two, as I told you before, I haven’t driven a truck for a number of years.
The lesson’s simple Pedro. If you want so sit there like a braindead halfwit telling everyone else on this board that they are morons, don’t be surprised if you get a bit back every once in a while. Now, Bargain Booze will be open so go and fetch your six-pack of White Lightening and don’t be late for the dole office on Monday.
but you are a moron i can do nothing about it
i think your on here day and night my friend so i do wonder if maybe its you who is out of work, sitting there all day drinking yourself to death ?
as you do not seem to miss a single post anyone makes and you seem to keep a log of anything anyone says ? sounds to me like your a professional ■■■■■■■■.
i dont mind taking flack for my no nonsense talk its like water off a ducks back to me infact it can be funny watching you getting all steamed up trying to be some sort of smart arse that you clearly think you are
i would suggest you find another hobby or go out more away from the computer
I think the cost of living gone up 2 to 3 times. wages didn’t.
The hire and reward sector of road haulage isn’t making any money, as albion has already said. Until haulier’s get better rates’, the wages are not going to attract people to drive lorries. The sooner there is a real shortage of drivers, and goods aren’t getting delivered on time, the better. Then the hauliers will get better rates and drivers will earn decent money.
Dave the Renegade:
The hire and reward sector of road haulage isn’t making any money, as albion has already said. Until haulier’s get better rates’, the wages are not going to attract people to drive lorries. The sooner there is a real shortage of drivers, and goods aren’t getting delivered on time, the better. Then the hauliers will get better rates and drivers will earn decent money.
See that’s where the problem lies.
There is a massive short of British drivers.
But until free movement and eu polices change nothing is going to matter.
As there 20 Johnny Eastern euros just waiting to jump I’m your warm seat.
desypete:
Olog Hai:
Couple of things, Mr Angry.One is that I couldn’t pinch your job from you even if I wanted as you don’t have one; and two, as I told you before, I haven’t driven a truck for a number of years.
The lesson’s simple Pedro. If you want so sit there like a braindead halfwit telling everyone else on this board that they are morons, don’t be surprised if you get a bit back every once in a while. Now, Bargain Booze will be open so go and fetch your six-pack of White Lightening and don’t be late for the dole office on Monday.
but you are a moron i can do nothing about it
i think your on here day and night my friend so i do wonder if maybe its you who is out of work, sitting there all day drinking yourself to death ?
as you do not seem to miss a single post anyone makes and you seem to keep a log of anything anyone says ? sounds to me like your a professional [zb].
i dont mind taking flack for my no nonsense talk its like water off a ducks back to me infact it can be funny watching you getting all steamed up trying to be some sort of smart arse that you clearly think you are
i would suggest you find another hobby or go out more away from the computer
1/10 for that, Phil. You need to do better.