The whole 5 day training doesn’t make you skilled thing winds me up. The relevant governing bodies deem what is an acceptable time frame for training. In our case the dsa deem a weeks training plus test is adequate. A plumber takes 2 years ish so people think they’re skilled. Well I can’t fit a gas boiler, anymore than a plumber can deliver a 40ft box full of them. And what do people think of cab drivers? It can take up to 5 years to get the badge
Freight Dog:
BILL1961:
war1974:
best of luck but no matter how much you try to dress it up its not skilled, I don’t agree with this but it isn’t and if unskilled people are out there earning more then best of luck.Is flying an aircraft a skilled job considering modern technology can take off, fly and land the aircraft without the pilot doing a thing. The pilot spends less time controlling the plane than I do steering a truck and he gets around £70,000 a year to boot!
So how do you define skilled?Tell another, it’s clearly joke hour
Ok smart arse, but can you answer the question 
BILL1961:
Freight Dog:
BILL1961:
war1974:
best of luck but no matter how much you try to dress it up its not skilled, I don’t agree with this but it isn’t and if unskilled people are out there earning more then best of luck.Is flying an aircraft a skilled job considering modern technology can take off, fly and land the aircraft without the pilot doing a thing. The pilot spends less time controlling the plane than I do steering a truck and he gets around £70,000 a year to boot!
So how do you define skilled?Tell another, it’s clearly joke hour
Ok smart arse, but can you answer the question
I don’t see talking complete nonsense and having it picked up makes ME the smart arse. Don’t let the truth get in the way of good balls though. I think that’s above the Daily Mail’s door.
Tell another, it’s clearly joke hour
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Ok smart arse, but can you answer the question
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I don’t see talking complete nonsense and having it picked up makes ME the smart arse. Don’t let the truth get in the way of good balls though. I think that’s above the Daily Mail’s door.
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You accuse me of talking nonsense yet I suspect you have no knowledge of the aviation industry. What I stated is a comment made by a friend who is a pilot for Ryan Air. He is paid £70000 pa and it is he who told me that most modern commercial jet aircraft are flown 90% of the time by auto-pilot systems, and can land themselves in poor weather using Autoland capabilities linked to ILS.
You are a bit arrogant to say I’m talking nonesnse without checking out the facts, but I apologise for calling you a smart arse.
Err, he’s a pilot Bill.
Classic.
Lol Bill mate back down having a friend of a friend who once slept with a pilots daughters mates sister is one thing but freight dog is a pilot, im sure of it.
I dont doubt the amount of computer ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ in planes these days but I dare say its a bit more involved than just jumping in the cockpit pressing a button then shagging a stewardess, thats the copilots job.
[I tried to pop in some whimsy about swapping one cockpit for another in relation to shagging a stewardess but couldnt get it to work]
the maoster:
Err, he’s a pilot Bill.
And so is my friend, and I was quoting what he told me.
BILL1961:
the maoster:
Err, he’s a pilot Bill.And so is my friend, and I was quoting what he told me.
I expect you were mate. In the same post you said “I suspect you have no knowledge of the aviation industry” or words to that effect. I was merely pointing out that Freight Dog is a commercial pilot.
the maoster:
BILL1961:
the maoster:
Err, he’s a pilot Bill.And so is my friend, and I was quoting what he told me.
I expect you were mate. In the same post you said “I suspect you have no knowledge of the aviation industry” or words to that effect. I was merely pointing out that Freight Dog is a commercial pilot.
Well when I next see my mate i will greet him with a swift kick in the balls. A) for lying to me and B) for making me look like a c@nt! ( actually i did that myself)
I just get ■■■■■■ off when people say anyone can drive a lorry and we are not professionals, when I have a card that says “Certificate of Professinal Competence” 
Freightdog’s rolling eyes joke comment got my back up lol!, just like my comment about pilots probably got his back up.
Once again I apologise to Freightdog.
Especially for “I suspect you have no knowledge of the aviation industry” 
BILL1961:
the maoster:
BILL1961:
the maoster:
Err, he’s a pilot Bill.And so is my friend, and I was quoting what he told me.
I expect you were mate. In the same post you said “I suspect you have no knowledge of the aviation industry” or words to that effect. I was merely pointing out that Freight Dog is a commercial pilot.
Well when I next see my mate i will greet him with a swift kick in the balls. A) for lying to me and B) for making me look like a c@nt! ( actually i did that myself)
I just get ■■■■■■ off when people say anyone can drive a lorry and we are not professionals, when I have a card that says “Certificate of Professinal Competence”
Freightdog’s rolling eyes joke comment got my back up lol!, just like my comment about pilots probably got his back up.Once again I apologise to Freightdog.
Especially for “I suspect you have no knowledge of the aviation industry”
Crikey I’ve come back from walking the dog, just remembered this thread and didn’t realise my off cuff remark would stir this up 
. Ah never worry! No need to apologise. I get called worse by the misses and couldnt care less. Cheers anyway. I apologise that I got your back up with my joke comment. Didn’t mean to.
I don’t think you should kick your friend in the balls. Perhaps a case of crossed wires. I can’t seem him as aircrew saying we can take off, cruise along and land without doing anything as you do originally said, as God knows what aircraft type that is, who is making his working descisions and where he works if he actually said that. If so, I want his job 
To be honest I don’t know where to begin explaining and I’m boring myself talking about it.
Here’s a far more entertaining person than me doing a better job of explaining some of the ballywack
BILL1961:
Well when I next see my mate i will greet him with a swift kick in the balls. A) for lying to me and B) for making me look like a c@nt! ( actually i did that myself)
I just get ■■■■■■ off when people say anyone can drive a lorry and we are not professionals, when I have a card that says “Certificate of Professinal Competence”
Freightdog’s rolling eyes joke comment got my back up lol!, just like my comment about pilots probably got his back up.Once again I apologise to Freightdog.
Especially for “I suspect you have no knowledge of the aviation industry”
No need to kick him in the nads mate. Maybe a quick ■■■■■■ tweak will do? . No need to apologise either, we all get crossed wires from time to time, and to your eternal credit you were more than man enough to apologise for it. You’re ok Bill.
the maoster:
BILL1961:
Well when I next see my mate i will greet him with a swift kick in the balls. A) for lying to me and B) for making me look like a c@nt! ( actually i did that myself)
I just get ■■■■■■ off when people say anyone can drive a lorry and we are not professionals, when I have a card that says “Certificate of Professinal Competence”
Freightdog’s rolling eyes joke comment got my back up lol!, just like my comment about pilots probably got his back up.Once again I apologise to Freightdog.
Especially for “I suspect you have no knowledge of the aviation industry”No need to kick him in the nads mate. Maybe a quick ■■■■■■ tweak will do?
I thought so too. Feel bad he felt compelled to apologise. Clearly a good bloke to offer an apology where not at all needed.
And Bill, you did not make yourself look like a “c u next Tuesday” at all. I’ll drop my pants and tell you a story. I did some years ago working with a new work colleague who was a hard nut to crack (comes with the job). In an effort to bridge gaps and find a mutual starting ground, turned out we both liked comedy. He went to show me something funny on his phone. I caught a glance of the screen image and saw a picture of the Krankies. “ah the krankies! Classic show” I said (I actually thought they were a bit crap), enthused from our bonding conversation 5 mins before that he liked the Krankies. “No mate, thems me kids!” said he.
Mortified. Taxi for 1. Bloody hell. Trust his kids uniform to be very similar to the Krankies in the grainy picture. Believe it or not we’ve actually been good friends ever since
Freight Dog:
the maoster:
BILL1961:
Well when I next see my mate i will greet him with a swift kick in the balls. A) for lying to me and B) for making me look like a c@nt! ( actually i did that myself)
I just get ■■■■■■ off when people say anyone can drive a lorry and we are not professionals, when I have a card that says “Certificate of Professinal Competence”
Freightdog’s rolling eyes joke comment got my back up lol!, just like my comment about pilots probably got his back up.Once again I apologise to Freightdog.
Especially for “I suspect you have no knowledge of the aviation industry”No need to kick him in the nads mate. Maybe a quick ■■■■■■ tweak will do?
I thought so too. Feel bad he felt compelled to apologise. Clearly a good bloke to offer an apology where not at all needed.
And Bill, you did not make yourself look like a “c u next Tuesday” at all. I’ll drop my pants and tell you a story. I did some years ago working with a new work colleague who was a hard nut to crack (comes with the job). In an effort to bridge gaps and find a mutual starting ground, turned out we both liked comedy. He went to show me something funny on his phone. I caught a glance of the screen image and saw a picture of the Krankies. “ah the krankies! Classic show” I said (I actually thought they were a bit crap), enthused from our bonding conversation 5 mins before that he liked the Krankies. “No mate, thems me kids!” said he.
Mortified. Taxi for 1. Bloody hell. Trust his kids uniform to be very similar to the Krankies in the grainy picture. Believe it or not we’ve actually been good friends ever since
a bit of wee just came out I laughed so hard at that 
Freight Dog:
the maoster:
BILL1961:
Well when I next see my mate i will greet him with a swift kick in the balls. A) for lying to me and B) for making me look like a c@nt! ( actually i did that myself)
I just get ■■■■■■ off when people say anyone can drive a lorry and we are not professionals, when I have a card that says “Certificate of Professinal Competence”
Freightdog’s rolling eyes joke comment got my back up lol!, just like my comment about pilots probably got his back up.Once again I apologise to Freightdog.
Especially for “I suspect you have no knowledge of the aviation industry”No need to kick him in the nads mate. Maybe a quick ■■■■■■ tweak will do?
I thought so too. Feel bad he felt compelled to apologise. Clearly a good bloke to offer an apology where not at all needed.
And Bill, you did not make yourself look like a “c u next Tuesday” at all. I’ll drop my pants and tell you a story. I did some years ago working with a new work colleague who was a hard nut to crack (comes with the job). In an effort to bridge gaps and find a mutual starting ground, turned out we both liked comedy. He went to show me something funny on his phone. I caught a glance of the screen image and saw a picture of the Krankies. “ah the krankies! Classic show” I said (I actually thought they were a bit crap), enthused from our bonding conversation 5 mins before that he liked the Krankies. “No mate, thems me kids!” said he.
Mortified. Taxi for 1. Bloody hell. Trust his kids uniform to be very similar to the Krankies in the grainy picture. Believe it or not we’ve actually been good friends ever since
Lol, nice to know I’m not the only one that can make myself look like a right plum
I wonder what would happen if we all said NO to the big logistic companies who pay really crap wages.Here’s one for you wage slip was blowing around in a smoking shelter,my neighbor picked it up and was astounded that this guy whom he knew worked for a company who had squeezed there way in to his firm, (Malcolm),they were only paying £8.25 p.h. for nights this was for shunting.
I am with my neighbor I think its disgusting,there are too many of these greedy me. me, me, firms out there who are choking the life out of the drivers and the industry.
So what would happen if we all said NO?.
1rustyspring:
I wonder what would happen if we all said NO to the big logistic companies who pay really crap wages.Here’s one for you wage slip was blowing around in a smoking shelter,my neighbor picked it up and was astounded that this guy whom he knew worked for a company who had squeezed there way in to his firm, (Malcolm),they were only paying £8.25 p.h. for nights this was for shunting.
I am with my neighbor I think its disgusting,there are too many of these greedy me. me, me, firms out there who are choking the life out of the drivers and the industry.
So what would happen if we all said NO?.
Drivers would be imported from Eastern Europe. Articles in newspapers (so it must be true) telling of companies not bothering to advertise factory jobs in this country at all, just wanting overseas workers.
Captain Caveman 76:
1rustyspring:
I wonder what would happen if we all said NO to the big logistic companies who pay really crap wages.Here’s one for you wage slip was blowing around in a smoking shelter,my neighbor picked it up and was astounded that this guy whom he knew worked for a company who had squeezed there way in to his firm, (Malcolm),they were only paying £8.25 p.h. for nights this was for shunting.
I am with my neighbor I think its disgusting,there are too many of these greedy me. me, me, firms out there who are choking the life out of the drivers and the industry.
So what would happen if we all said NO?.Drivers would be imported from Eastern Europe. Articles in newspapers (so it must be true) telling of companies not bothering to advertise factory jobs in this country at all, just wanting overseas workers.
What’s going to happen to all these people already here that have been employed on minimum wages spefically so they can get topped up with tax credits?
Remove the plank of tax credits - and are we going to get a new militant working class who start going on strike, forming breakaway Unions?
A lot of the Eastern Europeans in particular have a lifestyle akin to our 70’s after all… 
Captain Caveman 76:
the maoster:
I would say that to physically make a lorry move you need a small degree of eye hand coordination. To drive one properly you need to develop a skill. Unfortunately that skill is hard to quantify, hence we get these threads.What about reversing onto a bay, turning in a tight yard or manouvering in a supermarket car park whilst surrounded by pedestrians and other vehicles? They all require the application of skill. Some people on here don’t realise how difficult their job is, or how good at it they are.
It is not hard and it is not difficult at least not to most. Yes it requires a certain amount of skill and practice but the majority of people could do it if they wanted and that is why it is not especially well paid job.
As someone said good hand eye coordination helps.
Some drivers learn very quickly and others take forever and some never really learn at all.
I have made a good living from truck driving/training but if I had my time over I would study hard and get better qualified and therefore a far better job where I was not despised by so many. To many bad eggs in the industry I think.
I’d rather be on 9.00 ph and work with decent lads and have a top boss than be so up my own arse I come on here bragging…