robinhood_1984:
mass scale immigration in to any country de-stabilises the entire native society in that country and every people need a secure place to call home, be themselves and prosper in an environment that they feel at home in and while small scale migration poses no threat to national identity, employment prospects and the like, what we have now in western Europe is nothing short of national suicide in the long run.
^ This.There’s no point in the idea of nation and national borders if those borders are then made irrelevant such as in the case of the EU as it stands now and potentially in the future.Having said that the same situation existed before we joined the EU in the case of the so called ‘Commonwealth’.No surprise that turned into a similar cheap labour scam of open door immigration from those countries which provided the best potential for cheap labour while denying freedom of emigration of Brits to Australia,NZ,and Canada.
wages go down not just because Poles come.but because strong competition between transport company.if big competitions -price go down.but lorry price ,diesel not gow down,but up.as well present arctic truck can drive any munkey.it is not 20 years ago when drivers had much more worse job conditions and much more not clean.as well to many class 2 drivers try pass to class 1 .class 2 drivers work all 8 hours ,no waiting time ,must lift heavy boxes ,check labels and much more.but in class 1 mainly drive,drive,reversing in the bay and waiting from some 30 min to 3-5 hourseasy money.
4aaaa4dd:
what people forget is the poles came here in the second world war and gave their lives for Britain but that wouldn’t suit the small minded idiots that frequent this forum…id rather work with the poles than some of the bigots I have to work with.
i forgot we NEVER sent anyone to fight from HERE did we? just a quick question? How old is POLAND?
robinhood_1984:
There is something in what you say. I know of a lot of transport firms that a few years ago had almost an entirely Polish workforce and in some cases would refuse to employ English office workers and instead insisted on those who could speak Polish and thus communicate with their drivers, this by default meant that only a Polish national would be employed because in reality the only people who speak Polish, are Poles themselves, its not a second language of choice by I’d say any one, especially not English people. Now though, many of these Poles have gone and English drivers are the majority, But there are still endless amounts of places I see on my visits back to the UK that are overwhelmingly Polish in workforce so while there may be less of them, its not necessarily a huge reduction and does it really matter if the Poles go back when they will only be replaced by Bulgarians and Romanians and then whichever cheap labour source the EU admits next.
The final blow will be Turkish membership, then the left wing, liberal nationhood hating politicians can not only ruin the employment market but can culturally, religiously and demographically destroy every western European nation with unlimited Turkish migration that will make most German cities with their huge Turkish populations look quite normal, or even tame.
Now I have nothing against Poles or Turks, in many ways I really admire them but I also believe that mass scale immigration in to any country de-stabilises the entire native society in that country and every people need a secure place to call home, be themselves and prosper in an environment that they feel at home in and while small scale migration poses no threat to national identity, employment prospects and the like, what we have now in western Europe is nothing short of national suicide in the long run.
Tipper Tom:
I. The lat I rung a local farmer for work and I was told we don’t employ English people. What goes around comes around
Thought is was the other way around, employers want more migrant workers than locals, our place has just recruited a polish woman in the office to deal with the language barrier, planning etc so what does that tell you…
I absolutely love this mindset British people seem to have. Moan like mad about the poles then in the next breath they’re telling you how in 10 years they’ll be in the US or Australia
Andrejs:
wages go down not just because Poles come.but because strong competition between transport company.if big competitions -price go down.but lorry price ,diesel not gow down,but up.as well present arctic truck can drive any munkey.it is not 20 years ago when drivers had much more worse job conditions and much more not clean.as well to many class 2 drivers try pass to class 1 .class 2 drivers work all 8 hours ,no waiting time ,must lift heavy boxes ,check labels and much more.but in class 1 mainly drive,drive,reversing in the bay and waiting from some 30 min to 3-5 hourseasy money.
Ermmm I don’t think so, see my 47 to 50 hour weeks and add a night or two out
maga:
I absolutely love this mindset British people seem to have. Moan like mad about the poles then in the next breath they’re telling you how in 10 years they’ll be in the US or Australia
The work permit system in OZ let alone the US won’t exactly allow that.
maga:
I absolutely love this mindset British people seem to have. Moan like mad about the poles then in the next breath they’re telling you how in 10 years they’ll be in the US or Australia
No, in 10 years time I’ll almost certainly be here, assuming the Grim Reaper hasn’t snagged me! Be interesting to see how things stand then…
the problem isn’t the poles or any other eu member coming to Britain, the problem is the british government not increasing the infrastructure to accommodate millions of immigrants so now people cant get homes or school places and are seeing hospital waiting lists sky rocket they blame the most obvious thing they see ? its not the poor poles that are just trying to make a better life for themselfs and their families just as any one on here would if they could find work that paid double what they can earn at home … and if you think we weren’t in the ■■■■ when the foreign fighters came to fly the spit fires and go back on the front lines to fight for Britain then you are very deluded my friend we brits love to believe we are the centre of the universe and we won the war all by ourselfs all we did was supply a platform for the rest of the world to fight the nazis and then convince ourselves it was us that did it …
Pimpdaddy:
…our place has just recruited a polish woman in the office to deal with the language barrier, planning etc so what does that tell you…
It tells us you work somewhere that employs a lot of Polish people. A bottom of the barrel job, if you like. The kind of job any decent self-respecting British driver wouldn’t touch with a barge pole.
It doesn’t surprise me in the slightest that you work there.
Contraflow:
It tells us you work somewhere that employs a lot of Polish people. A bottom of the barrel job, if you like. The kind of job any decent self-respecting British driver wouldn’t touch with a barge pole.
It doesn’t surprise me in the slightest that you work there.
Fair enough but where else can I go, I’m always on the lookout for opportunities but nothing has come my way yet…
To the OP, for whatever reason they obviously don’t want Polish workers, it could be tey had bad experiences with in the past, due to damage or communication problems or they just don’t want to employ them, if its such an issue for you, you’d be better off complaining to somebody who deals with such things and give a [zb]
robinhood_1984:
The final blow will be Turkish membership, then the left wing, liberal nationhood hating politicians.
Its more likely that right wing business friendly politicians would want cheap Turkish labour. As there are no true left wing parties left in this country or most of Europe probably.
In this country they’ve been destroyed by the brain washing the masses by the right wing press who are hand in hand with the politicians and business leaders.
We are of course allowed to vote, but really only get a choice of what those in real power really want us to vote for. It’s old boys network.
So does UK jobs for UK workers mean german jobs for German workers or Polish jobs for polish workers or maybe Canadian jobs for Canadian workers?
What happens then if we find our dream job in another country or the economy of this country ends up in such a state the best way we can earn a decent living is to take employment elsewhere?
Andrejs:
wages go down not just because Poles come.but because strong competition between transport company.if big competitions -price go down.but lorry price ,diesel not gow down,but up.as well present arctic truck can drive any munkey.it is not 20 years ago when drivers had much more worse job conditions and much more not clean.as well to many class 2 drivers try pass to class 1 .class 2 drivers work all 8 hours ,no waiting time ,must lift heavy boxes ,check labels and much more.but in class 1 mainly drive,drive,reversing in the bay and waiting from some 30 min to 3-5 hourseasy money.
Don’t generalise on class 1 & 2 unless you know what your talking about, which you very clearly don’t !!!
4aaaa4dd:
the problem isn’t the poles or any other eu member coming to Britain, the problem is the british government not increasing the infrastructure to accommodate millions of immigrants so now people cant get homes or school places and are seeing hospital waiting lists sky rocket they blame the most obvious thing they see ? its not the poor poles that are just trying to make a better life for themselfs and their families just as any one on here would if they could find work that paid double what they can earn at home … and if you think we weren’t in the [zb] when the foreign fighters came to fly the spit fires and go back on the front lines to fight for Britain then you are very deluded my friend we brits love to believe we are the centre of the universe and we won the war all by ourselfs all we did was supply a platform for the rest of the world to fight the nazis and then convince ourselves it was us that did it …
So you’re saying we should turn the country into an overpopulated concrete jungle where the indigenous population no longer wants to live.Just to provide UK employers with a continuing cheap labour supply,based on the bs idea that it was the East Europeans who won WW2.
muckles:
To the OP, for whatever reason they obviously don’t want Polish workers, it could be tey had bad experiences with in the past, due to damage or communication problems or they just don’t want to employ them, if its such an issue for you, you’d be better off complaining to somebody who deals with such things and give a [zb]
robinhood_1984:
The final blow will be Turkish membership, then the left wing, liberal nationhood hating politicians.
Its more likely that right wing business friendly politicians would want cheap Turkish labour. As there are no true left wing parties left in this country or most of Europe probably.
In this country they’ve been destroyed by the brain washing the masses by the right wing press who are hand in hand with the politicians and business leaders.
We are of course allowed to vote, but really only get a choice of what those in real power really want us to vote for. It’s old boys network.
So does UK jobs for UK workers mean german jobs for German workers or Polish jobs for polish workers or maybe Canadian jobs for Canadian workers?
What happens then if we find our dream job in another country or the economy of this country ends up in such a state the best way we can earn a decent living is to take employment elsewhere?
The issue of welcoming immigration with open arms is actually a policy of both the so called right,in the case of oversupplying the labour market for cheap labour,and the so called ‘left’ in the case of some bs utopia idea based on all the world living together as one.
You talk about cheap staff from … but to many British people work all last 20-30 years just for national minimum wages or near.i know company where class 1/2 drivers work(full time contract) last 10 years for about 400 pound per week(about 40-45 hours weekly)and they happy
bald bloke:
Our company have just recruited about 10 Poles because apparently they can’t find any one local, it’ll be interesting because they need to pass an assessment first so what would happen if they fail would they be on the first flight back .
