Spot on cheekymonkey, could not agree with you more.
How can it take getting on for 12 hours to “investigate”!
Crack on with it and get the bl**dy road open again.
To many yellow jackets looking for something to do.
Spot on cheekymonkey, could not agree with you more.
How can it take getting on for 12 hours to “investigate”!
Crack on with it and get the bl**dy road open again.
To many yellow jackets looking for something to do.
Limeyphil is actually making sense, pre limiter you never got lines of lorries following each other with a rizla paper between them, if you got more than a couple of lorry lengths from the vehicle in front you put your foot down and went around, it also meant that as drivers were in control of their maximum speed, they actually thought about and did the speed that was safe rather than just staying flat out all day as almost everyone seems to do with a limited lorry, the result of which is plain to see
roadcommander2:
Spot on cheekymonkey, could not agree with you more.How can it take getting on for 12 hours to “investigate”!
Crack on with it and get the bl**dy road open again.
To many yellow jackets looking for something to do.
+1 If my day gets ■■■■■■ up because someone has unfortunately died - then I offer my condolences and accept it (but for the grace of God…). BUT if my day gets ■■■■■■ up because some traffic cop is desperate to pin it on someone (especially when it looks like the “someone” has left the scene), then I get aggravated. As cheekymonkey said - take measurements and photos then recover the vehicles, sweep it up and open the ■■■■■■■ road!
Its not neccicerily about pinning blame its about trying to find out what happend to try and make sure that it doesnt happen again, they will be looking at things like load restraint to see what moved and what didnt, what sort of restraing was most effective, even down to what tyres gripped best. There is nothing better then a real world crash to learn from
AHT:
Its not neccicerily about pinning blame its about trying to find out what happend to try and make sure that it doesnt happen again, they will be looking at things like load restraint to see what moved and what didnt, what sort of restraing was most effective, even down to what tyres gripped best. There is nothing better then a real world crash to learn from
■■■■■■■ marvellous when thousands of people get their day ■■■■■■ up so’s Plod can learn some ■■■■! I’m starting to see the point of the police-bashers. As to load restraint - if it didn’t fall out it was restrained properly, end of story…
Remember when the lorry went oven in mid december on the A1 Weatherby area that was closed for approx 13 hrs most for investigation work
As far as I am aware there were no fatalities in that
The Sarge:
AHT:
Its not neccicerily about pinning blame its about trying to find out what happend to try and make sure that it doesnt happen again, they will be looking at things like load restraint to see what moved and what didnt, what sort of restraing was most effective, even down to what tyres gripped best. There is nothing better then a real world crash to learn from[zb] marvellous when thousands of people get their day [zb] up so’s Plod can learn some [zb]! I’m starting to see the point of the police-bashers. As to load restraint - if it didn’t fall out it was restrained properly, end of story…
No its to try and make things safer for drivers in the future, things like cab design and air bag systems can all be looked at, also there is a chance that there was a mechanical fault on one of the trucks such as a brake fault of runaway acceleration.
Im sure you would be the first to moan if you were lumbered with the blame for all that lot when it was caused by a mechanical failure
You say no one died, well that was pure luck there could easily have been some car in the middle of that lot and I’m sure it would be a different outcome so why wait till it is a fatality.
I’m sure that the people investigating that accident know there job far better than anyone on here
If they need to look at wrecks to improve truck design as you suggest, that would explain the time wasted while Volvo and Scania ect get their designers on site?
They could do this on minor roads and keep the m/ways open.
So. Its to try and find out what happened so they can fix it so it wont happen again!!!
I wasn`t there.
I wasn`t held up.
I wasn`t within 150 miles of that accident, but I can tell the cops what happened.
Car driving slowly in the fog. Correctly.
First lorry brakes then more lorries then pile into each other because they didn`t keep a safe stopping distance from the one in front.
There you go. Now get it open.
cheekymonkey:
If they need to look at wrecks to improve truck design as you suggest, that would explain the time wasted while Volvo and Scania ect get their designers on site?They could do this on minor roads and keep the m/ways open.
So. Its to try and find out what happened so they can fix it so it wont happen again!!!
I wasn`t there.
I wasn`t held up.
I wasn`t within 150 miles of that accident, but I can tell the cops what happened.
Car driving slowly in the fog. Correctly.
First lorry brakes then more lorries then pile into each other because they didn`t keep a safe stopping distance from the one in front.
There you go. Now get it open.
OK, on paper, they say don’t drive faster than you can safely see to stop.
Now, the visibility on that motorway was down to 25’ according to the news report.
How slow do you have to go to stop 44t in 25 feet? And would that speed really be safe on a motorway?
i would say about 15 mp/h
waynedl:
OK, on paper, they say don’t drive faster than you can safely see to stop.Now, the visibility on that motorway was down to 25’ according to the news report.
How slow do you have to go to stop 44t in 25 feet? And would that speed really be safe on a motorway?
If you were doing a speed that allowed you to stop within your range of vision, yes it would be safe for you…for the idiot that was on the limiter it would be a little bit inconvienient though
Can’t understand why people are in such a hurry…or why they think that it won’t happen to them, unless you drive around with your eyes closed you’ll see the aftermath of lorry crashes nearly every day, none of them look like a lot of fun to be in, so why do people seem to be in such a hurry to be in the next one
The driving standards among lorry drivers now are disgraceful, anyone who dares to leave a suitable stopping distance by not running on the limiter gets rude gestures aimed at them by the 56mph at all costs brigade, ridiculous…
newmercman:
waynedl:
OK, on paper, they say don’t drive faster than you can safely see to stop.Now, the visibility on that motorway was down to 25’ according to the news report.
How slow do you have to go to stop 44t in 25 feet? And would that speed really be safe on a motorway?
If you were doing a speed that allowed you to stop within your range of vision, yes it would be safe for you…for the idiot that was on the limiter it would be a little bit inconvienient though
Can’t understand why people are in such a hurry…or why they think that it won’t happen to them, unless you drive around with your eyes closed you’ll see the aftermath of lorry crashes nearly every day, none of them look like a lot of fun to be in, so why do people seem to be in such a hurry to be in the next one
The driving standards among lorry drivers now are disgraceful, anyone who dares to leave a suitable stopping distance by not running on the limiter gets rude gestures aimed at them by the 56mph at all costs brigade, ridiculous…
The issues of bunching caused by limiters are totally unrelated to the one of idiots driving trucks into the backs of things because they are going too fast to stop in the distance which they can see to be clear in front of them.The proof of the failure of speed limiters is that we’re not only still getting the latter in zb conditions but we’re also getting the same thing on dry sunny days too.But the casuses are totally different.So if visibility and conditions are good and it happens then limeyphil is right but when it’s foggy,wet,or slippery or all three and it happens then he’s wrong.
The fact is in some cases in good conditions it’s more dangerous when everyone is all bunched up doing 52-56 mph than if some are doing 55 mph being overtaken by others doing 65 mph while in other cases it’s more dangerous for anyone to be running at 40 + mph when everyone should be running at 25-30 mph or even less.
cheekymonkey:
Have a look, take some photos…then get the s odding motorway open. All thats happened here by the look off it, is they`ve spent 12hrs+ trying to pin blame on someone. Checking tyre pressures?Come on…shift it!!
As it stands no one has been killed thankfully and a few trucks have bumped into each other in fog…just like they have for donkeys years and will continue to do.
It sickens me that they`ll cause all this inconvenience to hundreds of people just so they can dish a few fines out. Nowhere else does this.
Its driving without due care and attention. 3 points and a fine for the HGV drivers involved, not a nuclear attack. Not the end of civilisation.
Its bent metal…thats all. What`s the fascination?
Try telling a copper you
ve been burgled or in the case of someone I know, swindled out of money....they
re not interested.
One of the driver’s are in a serious condition nobody knows if it is possibily fatal, therefore the police have to treat it as a crime scence as once it is re opened they cannot go back and get the evidence.
those that sit on the limiter, bunched up, would do it no matter what the weather is.
if we didn’t have limiters, then i don’t believe this would happen.
Wednesday Morning around 3am I was on the A50 between A511 for Burton and A500 at Stoke at it was like pea soup all the way, I was pulling a taut with about 20 tons of waste paper. I was running at around the 37 - 40mph mark and it seemed like every truck was passing me on the limiter, MADNESS that road is full of laybys with trucks taking breaks and nights out, if a heavy slow moving truck had just pulled out of a layby by the time they saw it they would not have been able to stop and even worse if at the side of another truck at the time or been passed by an even madder car/van hero its carnage simples!
To be fair me doing 37 to 40 was too fast but darnt go any slower as afraid one of these obviously better drivers running up my f… ars. and just to clarify I passed my class one in 93 and have drove in plenty of bad conditions but more and more drivers taking too many risks,
WHY
Gembo:
xtruckerlady:
del trotter:
“As a result of the tanker braking, it has been hit by the third vehicle and then an Eddie Stobart (lorry) has also crashed.”Is an Eddie Stobart a different type of lorry to every other then?
Let’s all blame the car that drove off.
Hope everyone is OK, and too badly injured.
Pardon■■?/
I noticed that too, i think he intended to put a “not” in there somewhere
There was a chuffing NOT in there when I typed it out, I’m sure of it.
RobRob:
Every one of them got a coffee bean hand shake!
Did this make you feel better? Did it make them slow down? Did you save the world?
If the first lorry had to make an emergency stop then I would say he was going to fast for the conditions. If the others following all went into each other, I’d say they were also not driving to the conditions. What’s the point of the red car driver coming forward. Yes officer, I was travelling at a safe speed for the conditions and they were not
scottishcruiser:
RobRob:
Every one of them got a coffee bean hand shake!Did this make you feel better? Did it make them slow down? Did you save the world?
did he go to spec savers?
did he clean the crap off his windscreen?
limeyphil:
scottishcruiser:
RobRob:
Every one of them got a coffee bean hand shake!Did this make you feel better? Did it make them slow down? Did you save the world?
did he go to spec savers?
did he clean the crap off his windscreen?
Tune in next week to find out