Trailer tragedy

Winseer:
If we leave the EU single market, and control our borders - there won’t be any further point for any illegals trying to get to Britain, since there would be checks upon everything, rather than just a small sample of routinely “waved through” road freight, which continues to be the case at present…

They don’t check every vehicle and container coming into the UK from outside the EU, so why would they check everything coming from the EU after Brexit?

How would you organise the logistics and how many staff and how much space do you think you’d need to check every vehicle just entering through Dover?

Winseer:
A future UK government outside the control of “Yuman Rights Laws” - could also save the lives or any hapless “trafficed” individuals - by stating as a worldwide decree “Future migrants to the UK legally, or illegally - don’t get housed, don’t get benefits, and are deported at the earliest opportunity every time, should they not have a job lined up upon arrival”.

If you only get state assistance if you are here legally, that is as a refugee or seeking asylum, by the very nature of being here illegally your presence and/or whereabouts is not known by the state, therefore you won’t get benefits or housing as you don’t exist on the system, these people and especially those exploiting them don’t want the state to know they’re here, they want them to work illegally, they can control them by telling them they’ll be deported if they go to the authorities.

Winseer:
We cannot enact such a law until we’ve left the EU jurisdiction/laws - BUT such a law WOULD save countless lives of those people who, in future - would find another country “in between” their nation of origion and the UK - to “find their promised land there” at hmm?

Human rights laws are not part of EU legislation, The ECHR has 47 countries signed up to it and is not and EU organisation, then the are UN agreements on treatment of Asylum Seekers, or are we going to leave the World as well?

Winseer:
The current system we have - is an utter joke.

Yep, the system stinks, there are no doubt people here illegally, working in virtual slavery, but years of cuts to public services means we don’t have the Police and Border Agency officials to raid the places that might be employing these people or housing them. So while there isn’t a great risk in getting caught with illegal workers, people carry on reaping the rewards and traffickers have a ready market.

Winseer:
People dying inside a trailer that are well-heeled enough to both pay the trafficers thousands for their illegal passage, and able to afford mobile phones to make “final statements” to… Relatives living in the UK?
That would suggest that this “pipeline” is in fact a known transport method, with UK residents “expecting” further relatives to “make it to the UK” via that particular trafficing route - wouldn’t it?

Bust the trafficers, and prevent further “trafficing” by other criminal transport firms - by the implementation of strict border controls, customs points, and of course criminal bankrupcty proceedings (a rarely-used UK law) to extract the full measure of reparation from these clearly larger and more organized criminal gangs, operating with fairly large firms as a “front” like some latter-day Bond Villain.

All easily possible in Post-Brexit Britain. It would need to be a No Deal Brexit, of course. Migrant Lives, Money, and our Nation to be saved here. What’s “not-to-like”?

The laws are already in place to tackle traffickers and those employing illegal workers, but not the staff to carry out the searches.

Winseer:
“Waving them through” - clearly didn’t save their lives, and encourages other criminals to cash in on our lax borders, security, and continuing membership of the over-liberal EU

Again, down to our under investment in public services, not the EU.

Benjie83:
and I’ve come to realise I’m leaving frosty box work alone, unless it’s between two rdcs, for tesco, in the UK only [emoji16]

Hate to break it to you but supermarket fridges are some of the filthiest fridges inside I’ve ever had the pleasure of pulling!

switchlogic:

Benjie83:
and I’ve come to realise I’m leaving frosty box work alone, unless it’s between two rdcs, for tesco, in the UK only [emoji16]

Hate to break it to you but supermarket fridges are some of the filthiest fridges inside I’ve ever had the pleasure of pulling!

I were more thinking less chance of finding folk in one…

Im over the hygiene bit now [emoji38]

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Winseer:
If we leave the EU single market, and control our borders - there won’t be any further point for any illegals trying to get to Britain, since there would be checks upon everything, rather than just a small sample of routinely “waved through” road freight, which continues to be the case at present…

Nope, won’t be even close to being double digits percentages. 46% of all imports to the UK come from outside of the EU and the current level of checking is under 3%.

Driver has been charged

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-50196265

Just heard the driver has been charged with 39
Counts of manslaughter

Pile of ■■■■■■■■■■■■ driver charged.

So that’s another tag drivers will have pinned on them along with prostitute killers

Cheers Mo ya ■■■■■■’ muppet. :unamused:

Arthurhucksake:
Pile of [zb] driver charged.

So that’s another tag drivers will have pinned on them along with prostitute killers

Cheers Mo ya [zb]’ muppet. :unamused:

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nice to see he is guilty before any sort of trial then… :unamused:

Despite the best efforts of TruckNet CID absolving the driver of any responsibility for what he had been initially arrested for, it’s now been confirmed he has been charged with the manslaughter of 39 people found dead inside a refrigerated trailer and further charged with people trafficking, immigration and money laundering offences.

Innocent until proven guilty of course.

RoadsRat:
Despite the best efforts of TruckNet CID absolving the driver of any responsibility for what he had been initially arrested for, it’s now been confirmed he has been charged with the manslaughter of 39 people found dead inside a refrigerated trailer and further charged with people trafficking, immigration and money laundering offences.

Innocent until proven guilty of course.

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glad you agree with me…inoccent till guilty is always the way.
to be fair,him and fatty from cheshire have all the hallmarks of living well beyond their means from the houses,cars,and generally everything else that the media has dragged up… theres plenty similar operators running similar plant though possibly not smuggling in livestock.

the drivers arrested on basically a murder charge.
they offer later to reduce it to conspiracy to traffic and manslaughter so he grasses up anyone and everyone hence mr and mrs fatty up in cheshire with the new rangy,corvette and x5 ect parked in their garden and another dude arrested at stanstead.
if his misses isnt already away on her toes,then protective custody would be the carrot for woody.

dieseldog999:

Arthurhucksake:
Pile of [zb] driver charged.

So that’s another tag drivers will have pinned on them along with prostitute killers

Cheers Mo ya [zb]’ muppet. :unamused:

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nice to see he is guilty before any sort of trial then… :unamused:

Absolutely, innocent before being proved guilty, just remember to pop back to this thread after the trial result.

I think it’s safe to say he’s going to need a very very good brief.

And I’m perfectly happy to stand by my original post.

Socketset:
I do wonder why Mr Robinson was arrested on a mass murder charge instead of just being detained for questioning in regard to.

Essex plod are going to look pretty silly saying “Gee shucks Mo, we had you all wrong there, Bud - here’s a ticket back to Tangland”

Anyway they have arrested two more in connection, apparently.

Well he has just been charged for money laundering, importation and the deaths of 39 people,

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dieseldog999:

RoadsRat:
Despite the best efforts of TruckNet CID absolving the driver of any responsibility for what he had been initially arrested for, it’s now been confirmed he has been charged with the manslaughter of 39 people found dead inside a refrigerated trailer and further charged with people trafficking, immigration and money laundering offences.

Innocent until proven guilty of course.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
glad you agree with me…inoccent till guilty is always the way.
to be fair,him and fatty from cheshire have all the hallmarks of living well beyond their means from the houses,cars,and generally everything else that the media has dragged up… theres plenty similar operators running similar plant though possibly not smuggling in livestock.

the drivers arrested on basically a murder charge.
they offer later to reduce it to conspiracy to traffic and manslaughter so he grasses up anyone and everyone hence mr and mrs fatty up in cheshire with the new rangy,corvette and x5 ect parked in their garden and another dude arrested at stanstead.
if his misses isnt already away on her toes,then protective custody would be the carrot for woody.

Pretty serious charges nonetheless.

Looking from the outside, it appears they’ve came across an international people trafficking/smuggling ring/organised crime gang so I’d expect there to be more raids and arrests.

Given they’ve hired the trailer etc. I wonder if the same gang, or there’s links, right across the whole thing including those controlling the cannabis farms they were most likely going to tend and the nail bars the cash would be laundered through.

It’s alright banging on about how they’re only coming to leech benefits, and that, but people who buy cannabis are part of the picture that results in this sort of trafficking.

Arthurhucksake:

dieseldog999:

Arthurhucksake:
Pile of [zb] driver charged.

So that’s another tag drivers will have pinned on them along with prostitute killers

Cheers Mo ya [zb]’ muppet. :unamused:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
nice to see he is guilty before any sort of trial then… :unamused:

Absolutely, innocent before being proved guilty, just remember to pop back to this thread after the trial result.

I think it’s safe to say he’s going to need a very very good brief.

And I’m perfectly happy to stand by my original post.

There was a strong body of evidence he was in it at least up to his waist, if not his neck, anyone who thought otherwise must have been smoking what those Vietnamese were probably coming here to grow.

such a long time since iv heard “in your case life will mean life” surely if found guilty thatll be the sentence. the others involved need to get 20yrs +

RoadsRat:

dieseldog999:

RoadsRat:
Despite the best efforts of TruckNet CID absolving the driver of any responsibility for what he had been initially arrested for, it’s now been confirmed he has been charged with the manslaughter of 39 people found dead inside a refrigerated trailer and further charged with people trafficking, immigration and money laundering offences.

Innocent until proven guilty of course.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
glad you agree with me…inoccent till guilty is always the way.
to be fair,him and fatty from cheshire have all the hallmarks of living well beyond their means from the houses,cars,and generally everything else that the media has dragged up… theres plenty similar operators running similar plant though possibly not smuggling in livestock.

the drivers arrested on basically a murder charge.
they offer later to reduce it to conspiracy to traffic and manslaughter so he grasses up anyone and everyone hence mr and mrs fatty up in cheshire with the new rangy,corvette and x5 ect parked in their garden and another dude arrested at stanstead.
if his misses isnt already away on her toes,then protective custody would be the carrot for woody.

Pretty serious charges nonetheless.

Looking from the outside, it appears they’ve came across an international people trafficking/smuggling ring/organised crime gang so I’d expect there to be more raids and arrests.

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its all speculation anyway and no doubt he will either get crucified or not.
i just reckon charged with 39 murders to have him turning 26 in prison with no chance of early release means grass up anyone and everyone you can think of and the charges will be lessened so that if he gets a 14 year sentence then he will be out at age 32 and no worries ( other than the comeback from who he tells tales on) . if they ever discover his unit went over and back to france on the mon then he is as dead as a doornail,plus they lifted another empty trailer parked next to him?
there were stories over this side of apart from being off the stena in holyhead then he was in calais on the monday but really just gossip same as everything in here.
the plot thickens dr watson though i think they should also be asking the question why didnt the driver heading to tilbury not get charged with driving with the tag in the raised position.
even though the cops were told to look at their toes as it drove past,surely someone had a peek? :slight_smile:

Own Account Driver:
Given they’ve hired the trailer etc. I wonder if the same gang, or there’s links, right across the whole thing including those controlling the cannabis farms they were most likely going to tend and the nail bars the cash would be laundered through.

It’s alright banging on about how they’re only coming to leech benefits, and that, but people who buy cannabis are part of the picture that results in this sort of trafficking.

Quite so.
Illegal immigrants of any type aren`t very likely to go to Gov offices for any reason. Keeping illegals in fear of the authorities, and risk of deportation, is one of the methods used to control them.

Illegal documents used by them to get benefits?
Who needs immigrants if one is using false papers.

And agree that without Joe Public buying cannabis, “massages”, cheap labour for cash of any sort from car wash to building/gardening, there would be no cash for them.
Too many think getting a cheap job is cheating the “tax-man” only and is harmless.
5 minutes thought will show it ain`t lovable “Del-Boy” rogues, but the thin end of organised crime and trafficking.

Mazzer2:

Franglais:

chester:
Show me where it says you don’t need to check your load if you know who loaded it.
Take as much time as you need?

See the above post

Nothing black and white in the above post, just someone’s interpretation.
Why can no one provide a link?

Is your Google broke?
Dvsa load security
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Nothing wrong with his google just a bit to difficult for the average imbecile to use
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3.2 Responsibility for loading vehicles

If you’re responsible for loading vehicles, you should make sure that they’re loaded so the load remains in a safe condition during:

loading

transit

unloading

You should decide:

who will carry out the loading

what training they should have

how they will be supervised

Involve drivers in the loading process if possible

If the drivers do not load the vehicle ideally they should be given the opportunity to observe the competent person loading the vehicle.
If it’s not appropriate for the drivers to watch the loading then they should be given information about how the load has been secured and/or given the chance to check the load prior to departure.
If a driver isn’t happy with how the load is secured or how stable it is, you should make sure that the load is:

assessed by a competent person

reloaded or resecured if necessary

Report load shifts

Drivers should be asked to report load shifts so that you can take action to deal with it safely and stop it happening again.
Loads can move even under normal driving conditions so do not automatically assume the driver is at fault if the load shifts during a journey.

Appropriate method of load securing

You, or a competent person appointed by you, should decide on the most appropriate method of load securing for the load and the vehicle.
You should provide safe access (such as working platforms or access ladders) if the chosen method involves drivers or loaders accessing the trailer bed.
It’s good practice to involve those actually doing the loading in the decision-making process, as they may be able to identify practical solutions.

Loading plan

You may find it useful to develop a loading plan for the loads you transport.
It’s important to communicate with both the haulier and the delivery site when preparing the loading plan so that everyone knows what they’re responsible for.
You should think about:

how the load is to be unloaded

what happens if the load shifts in transit

Information about the load should be clearly communicated to the driver. You need to take account of possible driver handovers and language barriers.
A loading docket that travels with the load may help to communicate information to the haulier and the delivery site. This can be as simple as a sketch showing the position of the load and the load securing system.
The driver should be made aware of what’s expected of them at the delivery site, including things like whether they should:

report to security on arrival

stay in their cab during unloading or if they’re expected to help unloading

Where the hell is Carryfast?! He would have this all sewn up in about 396 long winded posts and save us all time