With all due respect to the 39, I’ve read and heard what’s in the media at the moment and can only draw a conclusion that he didn’t check the trailer within the confines of the port, which could of been witnessed by customs, signed off and resealed, but did decide to open it in an area, on a road with very few witnesses? Also now there’s people being pulled in for questioning. Seems he’s singing like the proverbial canary for a reduced sentence and who can blame him.
gerard:
What are the benefits of so called flagging out ? Do big companies do it or is it just owner drivers
No six weekly checks lower tax and insurance. But mainly you can run round the uk with little regard to hours and safety rules and not end up with tea and biscuits with the commissioner
Own Account Driver:
I’d have thought some more criminally experienced cooler heads would have quietly shut the door back up driven back to Ireland and found somewhere to dig a big hole a long way from prying eyes.
That’s exactly what I thought.
Caught with 39 bodies, with all the ■■■■ storm that’s going to bring, or get rid.
Cold hearted and callous, but classic and basic self preservation.
Maybe I’ve read too many Kray type books. 
TomCrin:
With all due respect to the 39, I’ve read and heard what’s in the media at the moment and can only draw a conclusion that he didn’t check the trailer within the confines of the port, which could of been witnessed by customs, signed off and resealed, but did decide to open it in an area, on a road with very few witnesses? Also now there’s people being pulled in for questioning. Seems he’s singing like the proverbial canary for a reduced sentence and who can blame him.
If he’s any sense he’ll have asked the authorities to scoop his misses up before more sinister forces do and he’ll tell all he knows.
Benjie83:
peirre:
Reefers are used for anything and everythingCheers bud, just wondered was all due to all the health and hygiene rules nowadays…
Alot of answers given in here, its good to learn some shizzle about the trailers and processes incase I ever get a frosty box job in future.
Also…
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if your tipping fish and the likes abroad and are lucky,then you go to a truck wash and pay to get it hosed out and sprayed with scent.
if not,its find a hose,or a do it yourself car wash and try and not demolish it backing the trailer into it.
you put the fridge to -25 enroute to your pickup of for example fruit to dry it out and to keep the smell at bay though switch it off before you go in the gates.
…once loaded and arriving at asda or similar,then you open the doors off the bay and spray from a bottle the same honking scent so the warehouse grunts cant smell the minging fish remains…
if illegals have been in the back of the trailer and urinated,defecated or vomited all over the load,then do a similar exercise to ensure you dont get the load rejected.
obviously this only applies more if your on trip money or an o/d ect.
they wash nothing from delivering through the bay doors till it goes on the shelves,so be careful at the supermarket if your organic apples and tomatoes taste a bit extra nutty…theres your hygiene in a nutshell. 
robroy:
Own Account Driver:
I’d have thought some more criminally experienced cooler heads would have quietly shut the door back up driven back to Ireland and found somewhere to dig a big hole a long way from prying eyes.That’s exactly what I thought.
Caught with 39 bodies, with all the [zb] storm that’s going to bring, or get rid.
Cold hearted and callous, but classic and basic self preservation.
Maybe I’ve read too many Kray type books.
The IRA did that with so-called informants like Jean McConville, and not 39 at a time, more like one or two. Ireland is a small place and nowhere is that far from prying eyes, especially if you don’t have the right connections (if they even exist now 20 years after the GFA).
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Own Account Driver:
Hurryup&wait:
Hopefully the traffickers and slave employers here will get their just desserts very soon.I keep an open mind but that’s the problem with his potential innocence at the end of your post. It looks like the work of a professional trafficking operation who will most likely have got their return from those inside slaving away in nail bars. You have to ask yourself how likely they are to gamble all that planning and payday on letting any random innocent joe truck driver pull the trailer at any stage with the risk of them hearing a noise in the back and being straight on the blower to Plod and Border Force.
Of course those inside could have been under strict instructions to keep quiet but even if they take that gamble there’s still a risk the driver inevitability spots them at the final delivery point. If I was plod I’d be wanting very strong evidence the driver was just dropping the trailer somewhere, for someone else to be making the final delivery before letting him go.
If you asked me to describe what type of truck would most likely be involved in this type of thing you’d pick a blinged up Irish Scanny flagged out to Bulgaria over a fleet spec blue chip one all day long.
Unfortunately I fear your intuition and analysis are very accurate but I would hope such a young driver was just another victim in this awful crime rather than a willing participant.
My outfit have had plenty of clandestine problems over the years and in only one case we all reckon the driver was in on it. It was his first trip back to the Continent in over 2 years and he couldn’t explain why he was a carrying a nice wad of cash and a dozen illegals.
He wasn’t liked much because he had a superiority attitude along with a flashier lifestyle than us but the company got fined and he got away scott free plus a P45 mind you. 
Anyone seen the BBC newsreel, where they get an actual lorry driver to give a piece to camera.
The BBC interviewer actually asks the truck driver, who appears to be working for a small haulage company from ■■■■■■■ with green motors about seals!!
The driver who appears to be agency says all trailers have seals and that they don’t know what they are carrying, as they aren’t allowed to break them.
The BBC interviewer says again, “you carry loads out of ports which no idea what you are carrying?” the driver says “yes”
I have four points to make.
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chester:
Anyone seen the BBC newsreel, where they get an actual lorry driver to give a piece to camera.
The BBC interviewer actually asks the truck driver, which is working for a small haulage company from ■■■■■■■ with green motors about seals!!
The driver who appears to be agency says all trailers have seals and that they don’t know what they are carrying.
The BBC interviewer says again, “you carry loads out of ports which no idea what you are carrying?” the driver says “yes”
What is worrying is that many on here are under the impression that you can’t break seals!!
Of course you can!
A driver has to satisfy himself that a load and vehicle is suitable for a public highway.
Yet again the forum which keeps on giving, do you not even begin to think journalists are viewing this forum, in light of recents events.
It’s like in recent tragic deaths of cyclists, and posters on this forum, described the deceased cyclists as organ doners, or squished by LGVs.
This forum has never been one for showing LGV drivers in a good light.
It is the forum which keeps on giving…
kr79:
gerard:
What are the benefits of so called flagging out ? Do big companies do it or is it just owner driversNo six weekly checks lower tax and insurance. But mainly you can run round the uk with little regard to hours and safety rules and not end up with tea and biscuits with the commissioner
In that case, my question is… Why doesn’t everyone do that?
10% corporation tax in Bulgaria too I think I read somewhere
Mazzer2:
eurotrans:
Was the trailer loaded or not? If not why did alarm bells not ring in customs,no one ships empty fridges from eu land to U.K. It’s more common the other way round, the other thing is the truck is bg registered but hasn’t been back since 2017 so how does it get an mot or is that just another advantage of flagging outA small fee deposited in a BG bank account will see that your vehicle is permanently MOT’d and legal
Certain EU member states will MOT another member states vehicles then transfer that documentation back to the original country of registration.
This means that the truck doesn’t have to go back to its country of registration to be MOT’d.
For example, I’ve seen many Slovakian reg vehicles being MOT’d in Belgian ‘MOT’ test centres.
Nobody gonna mention how much the driver looks like woody from toy story, even without the cowboy hat?
Geoffo:
Mazzer2:
eurotrans:
Was the trailer loaded or not? If not why did alarm bells not ring in customs,no one ships empty fridges from eu land to U.K. It’s more common the other way round, the other thing is the truck is bg registered but hasn’t been back since 2017 so how does it get an mot or is that just another advantage of flagging outA small fee deposited in a BG bank account will see that your vehicle is permanently MOT’d and legal
Certain EU member states will MOT another member states vehicles then transfer that documentation back to the original country of registration.
This means that the truck doesn’t have to go back to its country of registration to be MOT’d.
Cheers Geoffo I’d figured out the small fee,I drove a motor flagged out to Nl back in the day but we had them mot’d in holland and all was “legal” so to speak.
For example, I’ve seen my Slovakian reg vehicles being MOT’d in Belgian ‘MOT’ test centres.
dieseldog999:
Benjie83:
peirre:
Reefers are used for anything and everythingCheers bud, just wondered was all due to all the health and hygiene rules nowadays…
Alot of answers given in here, its good to learn some shizzle about the trailers and processes incase I ever get a frosty box job in future.
Also…
Sorry for being a bit nieve all… [emoji849][emoji106]Sent from my VOG-L09 using Tapatalk
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
if your tipping fish and the likes abroad and are lucky,then you go to a truck wash and pay to get it hosed out and sprayed with scent.
if not,its find a hose,or a do it yourself car wash and try and not demolish it backing the trailer into it.you put the fridge to -25 enroute to your pickup of for example fruit to dry it out and to keep the smell at bay though switch it off before you go in the gates.
…once loaded and arriving at asda or similar,then you open the doors off the bay and spray from a bottle the same honking scent so the warehouse grunts cant smell the minging fish remains…
if illegals have been in the back of the trailer and urinated,defecated or vomited all over the load,then do a similar exercise to ensure you dont get the load rejected.
obviously this only applies more if your on trip money or an o/d ect.
they wash nothing from delivering through the bay doors till it goes on the shelves,so be careful at the supermarket if your organic apples and tomatoes taste a bit extra nutty…theres your hygiene in a nutshell.
I’d wished not to be so cynical in my speculative musings Mr Dog with regard to the hygiene procedures I’d wondered of…
Yet surprisingly I had a feeling this would be as suspected.
Beggers belief, but as someone who’s been involved within the biological waste industry I can now rest assured it seems lapse hygiene practice is as rife in haulage as it is in any other element where humans and their waste/practices are concerned.
Plus side I’m extremely glad all my years of telling me mam I don’t eat veg, and the subsequent slipper dodging may have paid off after all, and I’ve come to realise I’m leaving frosty box work alone, unless it’s between two rdcs, for tesco, in the UK only [emoji16]
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muckles:
Winseer:
This seems to be leading to a higher scandal involving actual EU based port authorities…It takes military precision to get 39 people onto a trailer in a narrow window in between a trailer being sealed in the prescence of a driver and harbour official AND coupling upto that trailer, driving it onto a ferry, all the way to blightly - only to realize when popping the seal in the prescence of another official.
We’ve also heard from drivers talking in the media about “taking hinges and entire fridge trailer doors off” to keep an already-sealed consignment apparently intact, bundle in the people, then screw the door back on, "No one saw, no one heard?
You really don’t have a clue, do you?
Go on… You tell me what your expert opinion/actual knowledge IS then…
You can’t keep on going around calling people “wrong” just because they don’t have theories of their own that happen to fit in with your own speculations…
Come to that, I don’t even know what you suggest I don’t have a clue about here? Your rebuke - is ambiguous at best. 
If we leave the EU single market, and control our borders - there won’t be any further point for any illegals trying to get to Britain, since there would be checks upon everything, rather than just a small sample of routinely “waved through” road freight, which continues to be the case at present…
A future UK government outside the control of “Yuman Rights Laws” - could also save the lives or any hapless “trafficed” individuals - by stating as a worldwide decree “Future migrants to the UK legally, or illegally - don’t get housed, don’t get benefits, and are deported at the earliest opportunity every time, should they not have a job lined up upon arrival”.
We cannot enact such a law until we’ve left the EU jurisdiction/laws - BUT such a law WOULD save countless lives of those people who, in future - would find another country “in between” their nation of origion and the UK - to “find their promised land there” at hmm?
The current system we have - is an utter joke.
People dying inside a trailer that are well-heeled enough to both pay the trafficers thousands for their illegal passage, and able to afford mobile phones to make “final statements” to… Relatives living in the UK?
That would suggest that this “pipeline” is in fact a known transport method, with UK residents “expecting” further relatives to “make it to the UK” via that particular trafficing route - wouldn’t it?
Bust the trafficers, and prevent further “trafficing” by other criminal transport firms - by the implementation of strict border controls, customs points, and of course criminal bankrupcty proceedings (a rarely-used UK law) to extract the full measure of reparation from these clearly larger and more organized criminal gangs, operating with fairly large firms as a “front” like some latter-day Bond Villain.
All easily possible in Post-Brexit Britain. It would need to be a No Deal Brexit, of course. Migrant Lives, Money, and our Nation to be saved here. What’s “not-to-like”?
“Waving them through” - clearly didn’t save their lives, and encourages other criminals to cash in on our lax borders, security, and continuing membership of the over-liberal EU where even Merkel has now admitted that her big “multicultural experiment” has FAILED.
People are dying. Isn’t it time to CHANGE THE SYSTEM then, rather than condemning people like me for arguing that■■? 
chester:
Feel free to correct me if Iam wrong, but isn’t it a driver’s responsibility to check vehicle and load is suitable for the public highway.Bonus points awarded to the first numpty who says “you can’t always check your load because of a seal”
Although they are ultimately responsible, a driver isn’t required to physically check the vehicle or the load, they are part of the chain of people responsible for the safety and suitability of both. Therefore they can face prosecution for either being unsafe, but alternative systems and audit trails can be used as mitigating circumstances.
Daily walkaround checks
This section looks at the daily walkaround check. It offers best practice advice on setting up a system for reporting faults and looks at defect reports, while clearly stating your legal position.
A driver or responsible person must undertake a daily walkaround check before a vehicle is used. As a driver, DVSA recommend this check is carried out before you first drive the vehicle on the road each day.
Where more than one driver will use the vehicle during the day’s running, the driver taking charge of a vehicle should make sure it is roadworthy and safe to drive by carrying out their own walkaround check; however, due to health and safety implications this may not be practical on all occasions.
An example of a system for managing in-service driver changes is where a walkaround check is carried out by a responsible person, and the drivers monitor the vehicle during the day’s running.
Laws enforced by DVSA on load security
Regulation 100 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 – SI 1986 No 1078 “Maintenance and use of vehicle so as not to be a danger, etc.”
(1) A motor vehicle, every trailer drawn thereby and all parts and accessories of such vehicle and trailer shall at all times be in such condition, and the number of passengers carried by such vehicle or trailer, the manner in which any passengers are carried in or on such vehicle or trailer, and the weight, distribution, packing and adjustment of the load of such vehicle or trailer shall at all times be such that no danger is caused or is likely to be caused to any person in or on the vehicle or trailer or on a road.Provided that the provisions of this Regulation with regard to the number of passengers carried shall not apply to a vehicle to which the Public Services Vehicles (Carrying Capacity) Regulations 1984(a) apply.
(2) The load carried by a motor vehicle or trailer shall at all times be so secured, if necessary by physical restraint other than its own weight, and be in such a position, that neither danger nor nuisance is likely to be caused to any person or property by reason of the load or any part thereof falling or being blown from the vehicle or by reason of any other movement of the load or any part thereof in relation to the vehicle.
(3) No motor vehicle or trailer shall be used for any purpose for which it is so unsuitable as to cause or be likely to cause danger or nuisance to any person in or on the vehicle or trailer or on a road.”
Regulation 40A of the Road Traffic Act1988 introduced by the Road Traffic Act 1991
40 A. A Person is guilty of an offence if he uses, or causes or permits another to use, a motor vehicle
or trailer on a road when:
(a) the condition of the motor vehicle or trailer, or of its accessories or equipment, or
(b) the purpose for which it is used, or
(c) the number of passengers carried by it, or the manner in which they are carried, or
(d) the weight, position or distribution of its load, or the manner in which it is secured,
is such that the use of the motor vehicle or trailer involves a danger of injury to any person.
So both the consignor and operator can face prosecution for load security offences.
No mention of physically checking the load, even when the driver isn’t present during loading, relevant parts from 2:12.
12.9 Incorrect loading of a container may result in dangerous situations occurring when the container is handled or transported; which could adversely affect the stability of the vehicle. In addition serious damage may be caused to the goods carried. In many instances the driver will have no control over the packing of a container nor be able to inspect its contents when he accepts it for carriage. If it is apparent that the container has not been safely loaded then it should not be accepted.
15.13 A particular problem of responsibility arises from drivers who have not been involved in the loading of dangerous goods, for example when collecting loaded and sealed freight containers for movement to ports for sea shipment. Drivers should assume that the load inside the container has been made secure, unless they have a good reason to believe otherwise, for example if leaking liquid appears from under the doors, or if noises are heard which would indicate the shifting of cargo inside. In such an event, the driver should stop the journey, and take action to have the inside of the container inspected before proceeding.
Involve drivers in the loading process if possible
If the drivers do not load the vehicle ideally they should be given the opportunity to observe the competent person loading the vehicle.
If it’s not appropriate for the drivers to watch the loading then they should be given information about how the load has been secured and/or given the chance to check the load prior to departure.
If a driver isn’t happy with how the load is secured or how stable it is, you should make sure that the load is:
assessed by a competent person
reloaded or resecured if necessary
Winseer:
muckles:
Winseer:
This seems to be leading to a higher scandal involving actual EU based port authorities…It takes military precision to get 39 people onto a trailer in a narrow window in between a trailer being sealed in the prescence of a driver and harbour official AND coupling upto that trailer, driving it onto a ferry, all the way to blightly - only to realize when popping the seal in the prescence of another official.
We’ve also heard from drivers talking in the media about “taking hinges and entire fridge trailer doors off” to keep an already-sealed consignment apparently intact, bundle in the people, then screw the door back on, "No one saw, no one heard?
You really don’t have a clue, do you?
Go on… You tell me what your expert opinion/actual knowledge IS then…
You can’t keep on going around calling people “wrong” just because they don’t have theories of their own that happen to fit in with your own speculations…
Come to that, I don’t even know what you suggest I don’t have a clue about here? Your rebuke - is ambiguous at best.
If we leave the EU single market, and control our borders - there won’t be any further point for any illegals trying to get to Britain, since there would be checks upon everything, rather than just a small sample of routinely “waved through” road freight, which continues to be the case at present…
A future UK government outside the control of “Yuman Rights Laws” - could also save the lives or any hapless “trafficed” individuals - by stating as a worldwide decree “Future migrants to the UK legally, or illegally - don’t get housed, don’t get benefits, and are deported at the earliest opportunity every time, should they not have a job lined up upon arrival”.
We cannot enact such a law until we’ve left the EU jurisdiction/laws - BUT such a law WOULD save countless lives of those people who, in future - would find another country “in between” their nation of origion and the UK - to “find their promised land there” at hmm?
The current system we have - is an utter joke.
People dying inside a trailer that are well-heeled enough to both pay the trafficers thousands for their illegal passage, and able to afford mobile phones to make “final statements” to… Relatives living in the UK?
That would suggest that this “pipeline” is in fact a known transport method, with UK residents “expecting” further relatives to “make it to the UK” via that particular trafficing route - wouldn’t it?Bust the trafficers, and prevent further “trafficing” by other criminal transport firms - by the implementation of strict border controls, customs points, and of course criminal bankrupcty proceedings (a rarely-used UK law) to extract the full measure of reparation from these clearly larger and more organized criminal gangs, operating with fairly large firms as a “front” like some latter-day Bond Villain.
All easily possible in Post-Brexit Britain. It would need to be a No Deal Brexit, of course. Migrant Lives, Money, and our Nation to be saved here. What’s “not-to-like”?
“Waving them through” - clearly didn’t save their lives, and encourages other criminals to cash in on our lax borders, security, and continuing membership of the over-liberal EU where even Merkel has now admitted that her big “multicultural experiment” has FAILED.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl9SVxWb2r0
People are dying. Isn’t it time to CHANGE THE SYSTEM then, rather than condemning people like me for arguing that■■?
Changing the political system or leaving the EU won’t stop it, the UK is the land of milk and honey, having delivered to numerous establishment’s around Britains shores and spoken to different nationalitys, legal and illegals, it’s about money and the fact they can earn more here, and the way the system is worked.
There is only one way to stop illegal immigration via the ports, and that is EVERY vehicle would needs to be stopped and a physical search conducted, and that is never going to happen.
Also people trafficking is a business as old as the hills, and involves lots of money, with people high up the food chain in the origanting countries…
This ongoing case involves lots of agencies, the NCA are at the bottom, the governments want heads, and they are using everything that they have, and some they don’t.
Winseer:
muckles:
Winseer:
This seems to be leading to a higher scandal involving actual EU based port authorities…It takes military precision to get 39 people onto a trailer in a narrow window in between a trailer being sealed in the prescence of a driver and harbour official AND coupling upto that trailer, driving it onto a ferry, all the way to blightly - only to realize when popping the seal in the prescence of another official.
We’ve also heard from drivers talking in the media about “taking hinges and entire fridge trailer doors off” to keep an already-sealed consignment apparently intact, bundle in the people, then screw the door back on, "No one saw, no one heard?
You really don’t have a clue, do you?
Go on… You tell me what your expert opinion/actual knowledge IS then…
I shall
Trailers aren’t normally sealed at the port in front of Officials, it can be done at the loading point and the driver might not even be present, could be they pick up a trailer that has already been loaded and sealed and parked up somewhere sometime earlier.
The trailer isn’t normally unsealed in front Officials when they drive off the ferry at the port, unless required for checking.
Many trailer won’t even be sealed, drivers might have locks they use for their own security though.
Winseer:
You can’t keep on going around calling people “wrong” just because they don’t have theories of their own that happen to fit in with your own speculations…
Yes I can
Did anyone watch the BBC news channel yesterday ? They had a lady who works for the BBC , she was from Vietnam , and said the family paid
£30,000 for the daughter to get from Vietnam to the UK , the girl that died got a flight to France , then somehow ended up in the trailer .
The lady said the £30,000 was refunded to the family back in Vietnam, i do not really believe that , people smugglers giving a refund !
Then a so called expert from Oxford Brookes University comes on , saying how the family culture is to look after everyone in the family , and maybe some land was sold to pay the smugglers , it would be an investment as money would be sent from the UK back to Vietnam .Low skilled workers would not get a visa for the UK .
Her words not mine .
Somebody on TN mentioned Mr Robinson`s expensive cars , so if the lad started truck driving at 18 years old , at 24 years old, would he have made that much money in 6 years , or 3 years he passed his test at 21 years old ?
That much disposable income for a young owner driver does seem suspicious , if found guilty , the two cars will be sold under the proceeds of crime act .