I must have missed that where was it said the trailer was sealed, and if it was why would the driver take it upon himself to open the doors outside a unused warehouse
It’s all ifs and buts at the moment
Also why would people put someone in a trailer that’s set on frozen or for that matter why would someone put people in a fridge, it’s a whole sealed unit
Its takes a flipping brain dead person to break a seal on a trailer to check it before he moves it
But you have some of them here (Brain dead)
Franglais:
tommy t:
Own Account Driver:
Obviously the driver is entitled to demand to inspect load security of any load even if that means breaking the seal before turning a wheel. Fine if you want to exercise that right but don’t be surprised when no-one wants to keep you in a job or you find yourself wrongly accused of theft when a consignment is checked and some is found missing.Personally I view the comfort of knowing I can’t be held responsible for anything inside, because the seal has not been broken, as much more preferable to peering inside a rigid sided trailer at some stretchwrapped pallets of chilled goods which are never going to bust through the side of the trailer.
going by the reports the load was Frozen not chilled , if it had been +2/3 they wouldn’t have died
Fridge trailers are virtually airtight. They probably would have died in less than an hour from excess carbon dioxide.
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An empty fridge is about 80 cubic metres.
That’s just 2 cubic metres for each person. (Two IBC s each) If there was a part load it’d be less.
Poor buggers didn’t have even half a chance.
There was mention on the other thread of drain holes in the floor providing airflow.
Last time I had a fridge van built I asked for a drain hole to be put in but the builder strongly advised against it saying that the air ingress will affect the performance of the fridge, and would also allow contamination by vermin/insects (a mouse can fit through a hole the diameter of a pencil apparently).
Not particularly relevant but slightly interesting
If the trailer has a data logger then that should prove when the temperature controls were set or altered and at what times it had been switched on and off.
What we need is a resident fridge expert to fill in the gaps for us…
If your saying he didn’t check the load at the dock as the unit was locked/sealed and the load would have been rejected if the seal was broken, why did he then drive to a industrial estate and break that seal to look in the back?
Can’t see him having heard a noise and gone to investigate as they would likely have been dead before the trailer left the docks.
Seems to suggest that if the trailer was sealed then there was some sort of dodgy goings on from the driver or he would have had no genuine reason to break the seal.
cav551:
If the trailer has a data logger then that should prove when the temperature controls were set or altered and at what times it had been switched on and off.
Don’t need a data logger take it to the nearest Thermo King and they will download it straight to a laptop
bulldogman:
When I worked for Culina all the refridgerated trailors coming into Purfleet were unacompanied.
And the newer trailors also had a second set of fridge controls inside.
If it’s dark, and you’ve never been inside a fridge trailer before, you probably won’t either be able to see them, or be able to operate them.
Dave73-UK:
If your saying he didn’t check the load at the dock as the unit was locked/sealed and the load would have been rejected if the seal was broken, why did he then drive to a industrial estate and break that seal to look in the back?
Can’t see him having heard a noise and gone to investigate as they would likely have been dead before the trailer left the docks.
Seems to suggest that if the trailer was sealed then there was some sort of dodgy goings on from the driver or he would have had no genuine reason to break the seal.
According to the Daily Mirror, he opened the trailer a short distance from the port to check for paperwork inside the back, and then discovered the bodies.
mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/f … y-20713531
Never done this type of work before but have pulled shipping containers which are sealed with a metal bolt, and for all I knew they could have been full of people, drugs or guns. But it seems it’s not normal practice to check inside at the port. I guess it will be from now.
A blog post on why the driver (Mo Robinson) is almost certainly innocent:
Worked on a couple of contracts where trailers are sealed on loading bay, checked by security on exit from depot and checked by customers before unloading on a bay. I never knew what was in the back, mostly it was clothing, but it could include high valve items such as alcohol.
Also used to pick trailers up from dock, could be loaded with coat hangers could be full of leather jackets, we could only break the seal with permission from office.
On another note came over accompanied trailer from Zeebrugge to Tilbury 4 years ago (only twelve bunks on boat) and we got searched on arrival in UK, due to intelligence that there were illegals on board.
Border Agency where confused as trailer was actually a pop up hospitality unit and only had a door on the side about 6 ft in the air, eventually convinced them it hadn’t been accessed.
Has it been said what the destination for the load was?
The Police have said this so far:
Our lines of enquiry are extensive and will be thorough. This means that we might not have all the answers straight away. We do have some key facts, which are:
The tractor unit of the lorry had entered the country via Holyhead on Sunday 20 October, having travelled over from Dublin.
The lorry then collected the trailer, which had travelled from Zeebrugge, at the port of Purfleet at around 12:30am on the 23 October. The cab and trailer left the port shortly after 1.05am.
We were called to Waterglade Industrial Park in Eastern Avenue shortly before 1.40am on Wednesday 23 October by our colleagues in the East of England Ambulance Service to reports that 39 people had been found dead in the trailer of a lorry.
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HERES THE LATEST GOSSIP FROM NEWS AT TANG N.I.BEFORE THIS ONE GETS LOCKED AS WELL.
best scenario sofar updated by personal gossip from other tangs today.
the truck was seen in holyhead sat night.
the truck was seen in calais on monday.
someone dropped the trailer in zeebrugge to come over .
the unit was kipping in purfleet tues afternoon/evening before lifting the trailer tues midnight.
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you all seem to me assuming the scania bounced from holyhead to purfleet over a 3 day period or brought the in from ireland which is now obviously not the case.
i hope the young dude is not involved and just works for the kind of company that the cowboy setup describes as his future employment in n.i is limited and i hope he is successful in sueing sky for splattering his facebook stuff into the media.
TNCSI seem to be slow on the uptake with this scenario.
head out to france and tip monday.
drop loaded trailer at zeebrugge tuesday.
bounce to calais or the chunnel and come across with or without another trailer…kip till the fridge is in purfleet and then gets happy days when he opens the back doors.
if its proved he dropped it in zeebrugge before coming over elsewhere then he is a dead duck and if he gets locked up alongside limey phil then he might as well give him the bed nearest the door as phil will be out long before him.
and for complete wazzock trolls like chester who obviously have no concept whatsoever of inter port movements,. it is never required to break seals coming from ports otherwise the goods will be rejected.
if anything needs looked at,then customs or immigration will do it whether you want them to or not,thereafter it will be resealed and your notes stamped.
the other option is itl be sealed with a big bolt rivet thing that you need bolt cutters to remove at delivery point,so stick to truck simulator chester old son and dont keep making a fool of yourself.
any opinions on that scenario which is nothing more than hearsay like everything else on here.
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It’s racist comments that get topics removed/locked. dd.
“It seems the media, uninformed about how haulage works as usual and desperate to have something to say, found out a few pieces of info about the registration of the unit and where it had come from and made up the rest”.
I didn’t think the FTA / RHA bods they wheeled out to comment did the haulage industry any favours. They missed - as usual - a golden opportunity to explain exactly how the job works, and droning on about “tractors” which to most people are those untaxed, uninsured things that hold you up on country roads, didn’t help matters.
If Mr. Robinson is innocent - as he may well be - we wish him well. But it was a mistake to wear that cowboy hat.
RIP all the victims.
dieseldog999:
and for complete wazzock trolls like chester who obviously have no concept whatsoever of inter port movements,. it is never required to break seals coming from ports otherwise the goods will be rejected.
if anything needs looked at,then customs or immigration will do it whether you want them to or not,thereafter it will be resealed and your notes stamped.
the other option is itl be sealed with a big bolt rivet thing that you need bolt cutters to remove at delivery point,so stick to truck simulator chester old son and dont keep making a fool of yourself.
Then again, if this is true why is he then opening the unit less than an hour later looking for “paperwork” makes no logical sense, if fridge units like this are usually sealed the paperwork ain’t gona be in the back door like it is on curtainsiders.
If Mr. Robinson is innocent - as he may well be - we wish him well. But it was a mistake to wear that cowboy hat.
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his dad got him it for xmas as he asked for a cowboy outfit,but morgans and surefreight refused to sell out.
im wondering if the “irish citizen” and irish lorry will develop into northern ireland when they are raiding 3 houses in county armagh which is basically the north. could this develop into a hard/soft border brexit debate?
suspiciously nice timing for the exiteers,and remainers to have a good debate about it though.
the 39 would be a mere drop in the ocean if it meant a vote in the wrong direction. it worked well enough in poland and again with the lusitania?
could dark forces be at work dr watson??
Dave73-UK:
dieseldog999:
and for complete wazzock trolls like chester who obviously have no concept whatsoever of inter port movements,. it is never required to break seals coming from ports otherwise the goods will be rejected.
if anything needs looked at,then customs or immigration will do it whether you want them to or not,thereafter it will be resealed and your notes stamped.
the other option is itl be sealed with a big bolt rivet thing that you need bolt cutters to remove at delivery point,so stick to truck simulator chester old son and dont keep making a fool of yourself.Then again, if this is true why is he then opening the unit less than an hour later looking for “paperwork” makes no logical sense, if fridge units like this are usually sealed the paperwork ain’t gona be in the back door like it is on curtainsiders.
Not a fan of Kangaroo courts or jumping to conclusions but it does seem very weird he didn’t do this at the port if he needed to or couldn’t wait until he got to the drop and chose a particularly quiet spot next to a derelict unit.
If it turns out he had any knowledge or was part of the chain, no matter how far down the bottom, I think he’ll see serious time on some sort of joint enterprise rap.
dieseldog999:
If Mr. Robinson is innocent - as he may well be - we wish him well. But it was a mistake to wear that cowboy hat.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
his dad got him it for xmas as he asked for a cowboy outfit,but morgans and surefreight refused to sell out.im wondering if the “irish citizen” and irish lorry will develop into northern ireland when they are raiding 3 houses in county armagh which is basically the north. could this develop into a hard/soft border brexit debate?
suspiciously nice timing for the exiteers,and remainers to have a good debate about it though.
the 39 would be a mere drop in the ocean if it meant a vote in the wrong direction. it worked well enough in poland and again with the lusitania?
could dark forces be at work dr watson??
Did you get a tin foil hat for xmas?
Dave73-UK:
dieseldog999:
and for complete wazzock trolls like chester who obviously have no concept whatsoever of inter port movements,. it is never required to break seals coming from ports otherwise the goods will be rejected.
if anything needs looked at,then customs or immigration will do it whether you want them to or not,thereafter it will be resealed and your notes stamped.
the other option is itl be sealed with a big bolt rivet thing that you need bolt cutters to remove at delivery point,so stick to truck simulator chester old son and dont keep making a fool of yourself.Then again, if this is true why is he then opening the unit less than an hour later looking for “paperwork” makes no logical sense, if fridge units like this are usually sealed the paperwork ain’t gona be in the back door like it is on curtainsiders.
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it can make logcal sense.
some consignees dont need the seal though its prudent to have it on in and out of the docks.
if the paperwork isnt stuck inside the fridge motor,then itl be flung in the back doors.
the scania has stacks,so unless he is built like bobby sands,then he wouldnt be able to retrieve them from the motor.
toonsy:
What we need is a resident fridge expert to fill in the gaps for us…
I see what you did there.
Harry Monk:
toonsy:
What we need is a resident fridge expert to fill in the gaps for us…I see what you did there.
^^^
+1
possibly he is back in dubai where they have limited internet access. hes here in spirit though,and never far away… 