switchlogic:
Carryfast:
Just a shame about the more awkward three points of articulation when reversing it.But I’d like to be given the chance to probably make switchlogic look silly in that regard even after 20 years away from the job.
Bit modern for you, you probably wouldn’t even know how to start it up and get it moving at this stage.
Switch,
I have despatched a pallet of this product for you via UPS, it will be delivered on a Detroit powered Bedford TM wagon and drag and I have been assured the driver has loaded the truck himself but the time of delivery depends on whether the driver has started his collections before his deliveries.
Carryfast:
Feel free to provide any videos showing American or Australian UPS feeder ‘drivers’ being used as loaders/unloaders.‘Employees’ you’re avin a larf is that the best you’ve got.
You seem to have problems understanding the idea of palletisation and how it works.
You obviously didn’t read those comments regarding even those who are stupid or desperate enough to actually do the job obviously where the drivers stay well out of it.
TGWU the union that could even make the Teamsters look whiter than white.
So how should it be done then? Or does it not damage people employed as loaders ? Is it just drivers who are a bit feeble?
if this is to work then it has to be adaptable . New trailer with a hitch at the back for a a frame / dolly for another full size trailer would surely be more adaptable - 2 full size trailers that can either be pulled by one tractor unit or spit up to be used as 2 seperate trailers .
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
Feel free to provide any videos showing American or Australian UPS feeder ‘drivers’ being used as loaders/unloaders.‘Employees’ you’re avin a larf is that the best you’ve got.
You seem to have problems understanding the idea of palletisation and how it works.
You obviously didn’t read those comments regarding even those who are stupid or desperate enough to actually do the job obviously where the drivers stay well out of it.
TGWU the union that could even make the Teamsters look whiter than white.
So how should it be done then? Or does it not damage people employed as loaders ? Is it just drivers who are a bit feeble?
How it should be done is like any sensible ‘parcels’ carrier ‘did’ it.Palletise or sack barrow the heavy boxes all loaded on the floor or even sometimes double stacked pallets then loose load the light stuff on top of it.
The really clever bit is then make sure that you employ enough loaders to run around with the sack barrows and pallet trucks and forklift and to share the relatively limited light handball among lots of them.
You know just like Carryfast ‘did’ it.
Oh and direct trunks means that’s only got to be done at the origin and destination depots.
Not expect the bleedin driver to hand ball the whole load as part of a needless transhipment operation known as a zb hub system because most of the loaders have rightly run for the hills when they were lumbered with the change.
That obviously gets even more important if you want to carry much more and heavier payloads on an LHV.
But of course it’s easy for you to say that other drivers should have their backs broken by being used as warehouse labourers when you have the luxury of being expempt from your own zb.
As for the loaders they’ll have to look after themselves.
The clue is in the name driver not labourer/loader.
Which leaves the question ‘why/how’ the difference between the approach of TGWU v Teamsters in that regard.
What could possibly have been the ‘incentive’ for the move and the difference.
beefy4605:
if this is to work then it has to be adaptable . New trailer with a hitch at the back for a a frame / dolly for another full size trailer would surely be more adaptable - 2 full size trailers that can either be pulled by one tractor unit or spit up to be used as 2 seperate trailers .
Yes that’s an A double just like the Norwegian example and Stan Robinson’s proposal.The Denby abortion is a B double with all the flaws of that configuration.
The problem is it’s doubtful that a proper A double would be practical on our roads and the 3 points of articulation is a ■■■■■ to reverse and it ‘will’ need to be reversed at some point.
Whereas a 4 + 5 rigid/drawbar can carry a similar amount still with the flexibility to interchange a standard artic trailer.
beefy4605:
if this is to work then it has to be adaptable . New trailer with a hitch at the back for a a frame / dolly for another full size trailer would surely be more adaptable - 2 full size trailers that can either be pulled by one tractor unit or spit up to be used as 2 seperate trailers .
Exactly that. For me the preferred option would be the rigid pulling a normal trailer. That would be great for parcel cos, rigid can work during day doing deliveries then hitch up and trunk overnight. That way there’s minimal extra investment
pete smith:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
Just a shame about the more awkward three points of articulation when reversing it.But I’d like to be given the chance to probably make switchlogic look silly in that regard even after 20 years away from the job.
Bit modern for you, you probably wouldn’t even know how to start it up and get it moving at this stage.
Switch,
I have despatched a pallet of this product for you via UPS, it will be delivered on a Detroit powered Bedford TM wagon and drag and I have been assured the driver has loaded the truck himself but the time of delivery depends on whether the driver has started his collections before his deliveries.
Thank you kindly. I’ll look out for it. My 92 year old neighbour can help
Carryfast:
[of course it’s easy for you to say that other drivers should have their backs broken by being used as warehouse labourers when you have the luxury of being expempt from your own zb.
As for the loaders they’ll have to look after themselves.
The clue is in the name driver not labourer/loader.
Never actually expressed an opinion about the rights or wrongs of UPS’s approach, probably because I don’t actually have one, but as we all know you aren’t one to left facts get in way.
switchlogic:
beefy4605:
if this is to work then it has to be adaptable . New trailer with a hitch at the back for a a frame / dolly for another full size trailer would surely be more adaptable - 2 full size trailers that can either be pulled by one tractor unit or spit up to be used as 2 seperate trailers .
Exactly that. For me the preferred option would be the rigid pulling a normal trailer. That would be great for parcel cos, rigid can work during day doing deliveries then hitch up and trunk overnight. That way there’s minimal extra investment
Is that not the way they used the used to work?
stargazer148:
switchlogic:
beefy4605:
if this is to work then it has to be adaptable . New trailer with a hitch at the back for a a frame / dolly for another full size trailer would surely be more adaptable - 2 full size trailers that can either be pulled by one tractor unit or spit up to be used as 2 seperate trailers .
Exactly that. For me the preferred option would be the rigid pulling a normal trailer. That would be great for parcel cos, rigid can work during day doing deliveries then hitch up and trunk overnight. That way there’s minimal extra investment
Is that not the way they used the used to work?
Normal as in normal 13.6m artic trailer
switchlogic:
beefy4605:
if this is to work then it has to be adaptable . New trailer with a hitch at the back for a a frame/dolly for another full size trailer would surely be more adaptable - 2full size trailers that can either be pulled by one tractor unit or spit up to be used as 2 seperate trailers .
Exactly that. For me the preferred option would be the rigid pulling a normal trailer. That would be great for parcel cos, rigid can work during day doing deliveries then hitch up and trunk overnight. That way there’s minimal extra investment
That’s what I said.
That isn’t what beefy is describing nor what the Norwegian example is showing.That’s an artic A double outfit.
Much of my job involved a paper contract collected and then trunked from Scotland and day bulk delivered all by the prime mover.The freight in the trailer was a bonus all paid for by the paper contract.
UPS being UPS let it all go because as we know they hated pallets but operated better 3 + 2 A frame drawbars.
Which they then underused and instead put their drivers like me to work as warehouse labourers handballing loose loaded freight for more hours per shift at a hub than driving.They couldn’t make it up. 
I may have mentioned I worked in the parcels industry for several years and drove a van, a TK1260, a KM and DAF A frame drawbar and an artic unit. As drivers we worked on the bank if requested or if we wanted a few hours overtime. The depot I worked at carried a lot of Broadloom carpet as well as parcels, paint, tyres, chemicals and machinery, the night loaders stuffed the vans in the right order, many of them had learnt the runs either as a drivers mate or by following a loading plan sorted by the office staff. Not once did the United Road Transport Union interfere with who loaded the vehicles or how they were loaded. Night Trunk drivers could sit in the canteen or help on the bank, we had outbased delivery drivers who used the night trunk vehicles as day motors with drop bodies.
I can’t remember any of the drivers suffering a broken back through working as a driver or loader and we are still in touch through a Facebook group.
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switchlogic:
stargazer148:
switchlogic:
beefy4605:
if this is to work then it has to be adaptable . New trailer with a hitch at the back for a a frame / dolly for another full size trailer would surely be more adaptable - 2 full size trailers that can either be pulled by one tractor unit or spit up to be used as 2 seperate trailers .
Exactly that. For me the preferred option would be the rigid pulling a normal trailer. That would be great for parcel cos, rigid can work during day doing deliveries then hitch up and trunk overnight. That way there’s minimal extra investment
Is that not the way they used the used to work?
Normal as in normal 13.6m artic trailer
actually both stargazer/switchlogic has a point - rigid as a prime mover with a 13.6 trailer on a dolly behind it OR a tractor unit with 2 full size 13.6 trailers behind it - same dolly between the 2 trailers . All combinations can be used as primary trunking outfits between hubs and then split down into shorther combinations for “onward” delivery. It realy needs a decent number of hubs in the proper places to make it work well .
The cost of “short” trailers with a fifth wheel at the back for a second trailer will surely be a lot more than a “standard” 13.6m trailer with a stronger tail end with a hitching point for a dolly .
EDIT sorry I’ve gotten stargazer and switchlogic mixed up - bet thats not something that happens every day lol
Hi Beefy i was thinking more of wagon & drag with demountables as posted above.As for mixing switch & myself up 
…I’m older and more handsome 
cheers Ray
The 25mtr sysyem has worked throughout Scandinavia for many years without problems.Once people become attuned to the length[truckers and car drivers]then it becomes the norm.Yes,we have less congestion but even in the south where they have more traffic it functions well.No,you dont get much more money,but you dont get it either for all the ''bling’motors.If it helps the economy of the country,65t instead of 44t and less congetsion,2 trucks instead of 3.why not.
stargazer148:
Hi Beefy i was thinking more of wagon & drag with demountables as posted above.As for mixing switch & myself up …I’m older and more handsome cheers Ray
The Mercedes with the short prime mover was used in South Lincolnshire and the Fens. The vehicle was used day and night, the two boxes on the drawbar were dropped off for a delivery vehicle to back under, they had roller shutter doors at each end so they could load the front box at the hub whilst sat on the drawbar chassis.
one of these (other makes are available - its just the first one I found ) with suitable coupling points on trailers will allow either two 13.6 m trailers to be pulled with an artic unit or to be hitched up to a rigid unit . both can be split into either a rigid and a 13.6 trailer or 2 standard unit and traier combinations . Its the most simple adaptable idea that needs the least amount of investment to make it work. Parcel operators did seem to be all about demounts up to lately - Amazon - you would have to say are the big boys in parcels now have moved to 13.6 m box vans now but then again demount trailers could fit into the system above as well .
This was another system that was used for urban deliveries, the small van bodies were lifted off and trunked to a central hub where they were unloaded and reloaded for their delivery area.
Perfect example of the way a post changes when the grown ups comment!
I don’t consider myself one, me and CF are like a pair of bickering children.
Wheel Nut:
This was another system that was used for urban deliveries, the small van bodies were lifted off and trunked to a central hub where they were unloaded and reloaded for their delivery area.
Oh that’s reminded me of Ocado, they started out with similar didnt they, van bodies mounted on trucks for trunking. Seems like a perfect idea but I assume it isn’t since they’ve never caught on and didn’t last long at Ocado even
Edit: found a pic
An example of how the crazy brain works. Can remember an insignificant transport fact from what must be 20 years ago but not what I want from shop or to take my mask with me
