I could give a rats ■■■ about “the industry” I’m afraid.
I’ve worked at the same place since I left college. It’s a family business I’ve married into, I’m not going anywhere else.
I don’t care what anyone else earns. I earn what I earn and that gets me by, and I manage just fine.
Me earning more isn’t going make a difference to anyone but me, so why on earth would I care if you think I should be campaigning for truckers rights?
If you want it, you go campaign for it instead of mouthing off on here.
Put your mouth where the money is and start doing something instead of whining.
109LWB:
I could give a rats ass about “the industry” I’m afraid.
I’ve worked at the same place since I left college. It’s a family business I’ve married into, I’m not going anywhere else.
I don’t care what anyone else earns. I earn what I earn and that gets me by, and I manage just fine.
Me earning more isn’t going make a difference to anyone but me, so why on earth would I care if you think I should be campaigning for truckers rights?
If you want it, you go campaign for it instead of mouthing off on here.
Put your mouth where the money is and start doing something instead of whining.
109LWB:
I could give a rats ■■■ about “the industry” I’m afraid.
I am in a very financially secure position at my time in life and have a nice enough bank account, I do not sell out for pennies or work for those who pay peanuts. It is people like you that are helping to keep drivers wages down, it is not you alone as there are countless amounts of you. Everyone who works for less than they are worth are driving the industry down by supplying these firms who think that drivers are 10 a penny. Only drivers like you are 10 a penny, anyone who values their experience and time are not.
109LWB:
I could give a rats ■■■ about “the industry” I’m afraid.
I’ve worked at the same place since I left college. It’s a family business I’ve married into, I’m not going anywhere else.
Ah, I was placing my bet on inherited wealth.
I thought, how on earth does someone on only £20k a year net today, have a 10 year record of paying down £7k a year of capital debt (not to mention the interest), or even get a £150k mortgage! Owning outright and running two cars to boot! 
109LWB:
I could give a rats ■■■ about “the industry” I’m afraid.
I’ve worked at the same place since I left college. It’s a family business I’ve married into, I’m not going anywhere else.
I don’t care what anyone else earns. I earn what I earn and that gets me by, and I manage just fine.
Me earning more isn’t going make a difference to anyone but me, so why on earth would I care if you think I should be campaigning for truckers rights?
If you want it, you go campaign for it instead of mouthing off on here.
Put your mouth where the money is and start doing something instead of whining.
That family firm you slave for must love you, yes boss ok boss anytime boss
beefy4605:
axletramp:
If you recalculate that 15 hour £111 day at 8 basic plus 7 at time and a half it’s more like £6 p/h£111 + £20 = £131 divided by 24 hours = £5.45 per hour that you were away from home . And nothing added for running in .And the tax man needs his cut as well .
Think about that .
What an asinine post. Think about this: How many trampers get paid 24hr every day?
The answer is none, before you over-tax yourself.
Inherited wealth?
My parents are still alive… plus they have nothing to give. They gave me 250quid once when my grandma died, that’s it.
As a child we had nothing. Christmas was a chocolate orange and a book if I was lucky. All my clothes were hand me downs or from a charity shop. We had no games consoles, computers, bikes… we were poor, properly poor. My dad worked from 7 til 5 six days a week just to pay the bills.
But it didn’t matter, my parents loved me, Fed me… that’s all that mattered.
You have no clue what my life was like… this is why I’m quite happy with £400 a week. Cos when you come from nothing, anything is a blessing.
Everyone is so obsessed with money and having the latest crap, you’ll get your selves into debt just to own the newest phone… it rediculous.
The stupid thing is, because I came from nothing and had nothing, it made me very careful with money, so much so, I can now afford to buy all this crap everyone gets Into debt for.
So yes, I earn very little compared to some, but I’ve spent very little for a solid 16 years which soon adds up to quite a lot.
So sure, you spend you whole week in a horrible small cab for a grand a week, I’d rather be at home with my wife for £400
How many hours a day do you do for £100.00 per day? Honestly, please tell us, cause I get 165.00 per day for approx 11 to 12 hours hours.
Sapper
As for older drivers failing to stop the downslide, i’ve been doing my bit for bloody years, the worse two things that ever happened to our job was the replacement of a proper gearstick with a switch, and the driver becoming a chauffeur.
Both these moves allowed any idiot to get behind the wheel, which has cheapened deskilled and dumbed down our industry.
Every time i say something about this, the gameboy generation start the name calling, so bloody carry on racing to the bottom welcoming every technical move to replace you with a further deskilled cheap body.
S’ok for me up to a point cos i moved onto work long ago that still requires some nous, which despite many attempts to do so can’t be dumbed down too much, all i can advise others is to find their own niches where they can’t just grab any tom ■■■■ or igor off the street and stick his arse on your driving seat, make yourself more difficult to replace, unionise yourselves too, and better terms will naturally follow.
109LWB:
Inherited wealth?
My parents are still alive… plus they have nothing to give. They gave me 250quid once when my grandma died, that’s it.
As a child we had nothing. Christmas was a chocolate orange and a book if I was lucky. All my clothes were hand me downs or from a charity shop. We had no games consoles, computers, bikes… we were poor, properly poor. My dad worked from 7 til 5 six days a week just to pay the bills.
But it didn’t matter, my parents loved me, Fed me… that’s all that mattered.You have no clue what my life was like… this is why I’m quite happy with £400 a week. Cos when you come from nothing, anything is a blessing.
Everyone is so obsessed with money and having the latest crap, you’ll get your selves into debt just to own the newest phone… it rediculous.
The stupid thing is, because I came from nothing and had nothing, it made me very careful with money, so much so, I can now afford to buy all this crap everyone gets Into debt for.
So yes, I earn very little compared to some, but I’ve spent very little for a solid 16 years which soon adds up to quite a lot.
So sure, you spend you whole week in a horrible small cab for a grand a week, I’d rather be at home with my wife for £400
I’m afraid your story just doesn’t ring true, assuming typical circumstances. No bike? No games console? Lucky to get a chocolate orange for Christmas? While your dad worked 60 hours a week? You’re talking about the 1990s for god’s sake, not the 19th century.
And the sums still don’t add up either.
Considering the standard of driving I witnessed tonight, paying these muppets minimum wage is paying them too much.
£20K a year doing this job■■? Personally wouldnt get out of bed for that. That sort of wage for the average person with the usual bills to pay would leave nothing spare…MickeyD’s would pay more… 
Rjan:
109LWB:
I could give a rats ■■■ about “the industry” I’m afraid.
I’ve worked at the same place since I left college. It’s a family business I’ve married into, I’m not going anywhere else.Ah, I was placing my bet on inherited wealth.
I thought, how on earth does someone on only £20k a year net today, have a 10 year record of paying down £7k a year of capital debt (not to mention the interest), or even get a £150k mortgage! Owning outright and running two cars to boot!
Ah…someones done the sums 
He may have done it though, maybe with a missus on £40K pa …doing half the hours… 
Juddian:
the worse two things that ever happened to our job was the replacement of a proper gearstick with a switch, and the driver becoming a chauffeur.
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Juddian has it here. Tried to spec the 16 with a manual but no…twin clutch I shift 
A good box but give me a 16speed range change/splitter any day.
Should be law driving schools have to teach with a manual. Newly qualified drivers would be baffled given a 15 year old truck to drive…
Colin_scottish:
MTM12:
Colin_scottish:
I blame the older drivers for not standing there ground back in the great old days when it was so great.They allowed alot of stuff to happen and now are ■■■■■■■■ about it get.Dont blame the company blame the driver that when it started they allowed it to carryon.So blame individual drivers for the corporate greed and the uncontrolled free market globalised economy that is pervasive in this country in 2017? Sounds like the biggest load of ■■■■■■■■ I’ve seen here for a while.
Try running your thoughts past the bin men in Birmingham at the moment, the miners, steelworkers and printers in the 1980’s and just about any other group who have fought for fair treatment, I think they might put you right!
MickM
I never blamed any individuals i said older drivers look at france they stand up and people listen what did drivers do in this country nothing.And was it not haulage firms that also helped to finish off the miners and steel workers running imported coal or did you forget that bit.
Hauliers running coal,yes and one that sticks in my mind is yulle & Dodds…I know folk now who still freak out when they see one of there trucks
Ok for what it’s worth here is my view on why the industry is goosed,
I’m in a good job now with a good boss good kit but average money,but my lifestyle is good I don’t get lied to and I enjoy my job…
Iv had previous jobs that have nearly taken me over the edge with pressure and politics and silly hours…
Until companies start been honest with drivers the bad companies are making drivers leave this industry in droves,my mate recently passed his class2,he was talking about doing his class one and making a future in the job.
He got a job with a local firm here doing multi drop,“12 drops a day on average” and “9 to 10 hours a day” he was told at interview…first day 22 drops and then collectons planned,didn’t complete it and 14 hr day,day 2 the same and so it continued,hounded on phone all day etc etc,
He is now not doing his class one as this has put him off and he is going back to warehouse work.
My point is these rubbish firms are knocking the enthusiasm out of drivers,lieing about pay and hours,
Here’s an interesting article from 2009 about the miners strike, it highlights the cost of withdrawing labour and sticking together.
MTM12:
Here’s an interesting article from 2009 about the miners strike, it highlights the cost of withdrawing labour and sticking together.
I’m a child of the miners strike but I don’t think a transport strike would ever work like it did with the pits,
You worked in the coal industry that was it,transport has that many different sectors and companies that you would never get a full on lorry drivers strike,i.e. I think most of the problems in this industry are in general haulage but you wouldn’t get the supermarket drivers supporting a the general lads,
Unions even though I’m not really a fan can work,but from experience they also can have a negative effect,
109LWB:
I could give a rats ■■■ about “the industry” I’m afraid.
I’ve worked at the same place since I left college. It’s a family business I’ve married into, I’m not going anywhere else.
I don’t care what anyone else earns. I earn what I earn and that gets me by, and I manage just fine.
Me earning more isn’t going make a difference to anyone but me, so why on earth would I care if you think I should be campaigning for truckers rights?
If you want it, you go campaign for it instead of mouthing off on here.
Put your mouth where the money is and start doing something instead of whining.
This is what your follow drivers mind works like
It’s not even about the money it’s about having respect for yourself and this post falls big time on that
They don’t know any better and will go through life in a hase and accept any thing that’s put in front of them
Wouldn’t you think someone who had so little before would want to better themselves
People like this should be kept in the gutter
You can only blame the driver for this, told 10 hours for £■■ per day, then does nearly 15 for no extra money, companies love these types of driver, the ones that can’t say no, it will soon stop when drivers do park up at 10 hours.
Them that do refuse to do more for no extra don’t lose their job, the planner just piles it onto the ones that don’t refuse.