Munchkin:
OVLOV JAY, exactly the voting point I was making. It’s all about how you feel.
Got to disagree on the migrant issue though. I’m talking illegals who will just disappear into the black economy. If you come from a place where you have jack then a healthy economy offers untold opportunities. If the economy stays healthy, they’ll keep coming!
They need somewhere to live, and without the benefits they won’t manage that. The black economy only pays them enough to feed themselves, they need the benefits to survive. They won’t put up with the shanties for a long term solution. And they’d be easy to round up if they were on the streets anyway
I don’t fancy staying in the United States of Germany.
So I’m OUT
Firstly are you saying that your US multi national employer is happy about leaving the EU not the UK ?.
This was in regard to the Scottish referendum. Base in Scotland not UK made no difference to them.
We’ve not talked about the MASSIVE amount of hard work that implementing Brexit will involve for our politicians.
It would be the equivalent for them of us drivers being moved from a 35 hour week to a 48 hour average, 60 hour max, 84 actual hours at work kind of environment… The Junior Doctors are the only other section of society that can expect such “hourage abuse” as common practice.
I’m all for making our overpaid political elites work for their bloody money. 
Even if “Staying in” was laced with all kinds of bribe-like goodies and other incentives - we should still think twice about giving up our final say over where this is all going.
Austerity is the price we’re going to have to continue to pay to keep these elites in the best hotels, on bottomless expense accounts, and taking so long to get anything decent done - that we might as well invent a new department called “The Ministry of Long Grass” to better house it.
It’s strange that those Scots in favour of independence are now in favour of Remain, despite the fact that for them, too, - that’ll be the end of them being asked anything ever again after!
Have they given up already on their dreams there, and at the next election will end the SNP love-in for a move back to mainstream politics that we all dislike so much?
The best chance of another referendum - is Doing Brexit, and then asking them again if they want IN the EU and OUT of the UK - or stay as we are by that point - OUT of the EU, and IN the UK…
It’s still not a foregone conclusion even then - is it?
Brexit don’t want the thugs on their side - any more than Remain want the weak-minded on theirs, happy to vote for them because they either don’t understand how this all affects them, or believe some random liar who’ll tell them “the sky will fall on their head if they don’t follow the instructions of their superiors in all things.” 
Well Dodgy has even added Junker to the list of some of the most unpopular people to help the remain campaign who next fatima merkel or hollande? what’s another outsider who shouldn’t be interfering in our affairs going to do ? They can only do more harm to dodgy & co
And that Osborne is a dumb fwit, using the bs sound bite northern powerhouse it’s pure excrement
Carryfast:
The-Snowman:
Are you for real? Not saying im going to leave isnt quite the same as saying I want to remain is it? I haven’t made any arguments for staying either if you want to be technical.
Maybe you should stop reading too much into situations, second guessing everything and seeing stuff that isnt there.
So your reference here to
pensions
strength of the pound
european allies
trade
employment
business investment
wasn’t meant in sense that you personally think that an out vote would/could have any negative effects on any or all of them ?.Why bother listing them in that case.
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Take your head out of your arse and stop taking things out of context.
I mentioned them because YOU asked for examples of the “everything else” I was talking about when I said there was more to consider than just voting out in the belief it’ll lead to closed borders like nothing else matters. I was making the point that there is more to consider re the effects of an out vote than just one issue. Just because YOU think you have all the answers does not mean everyone else shouldn’t bother with them.
At no point WHATSOEVER did I state they would be better or worse if we were in or out of the EU or give opinions on them one way or the other. You completely (as always) missed the whole ■■■■ point of what I was actually saying in that thread as well. I said they were things to consider which every decent person should do in a vote of this magnitude. You have you’re own opinions on the issues but, NEWSFLASH, you’re not a respected source of information that everyone should listen to and take his word for it, no matter how hard you try to convince everyone you are. All these issues need to be looked into properly by every voter and then their mind made up from there. You’re opinion of them followed by a rolling eyes similie does not constitute a reliable source of information. You’re so far up your own arse with your need to be right all the time, and chucking your weight about in every EU thread going, that you’re not even reading things properly anymore.
Stop twisting things and putting words in peoples mouth’s
Out for me. Unchecked and unlimited immigration from EE. EE’s will drive my truck all day long for NMW. Huge pressure on schools, hospitals and jails. Plenty imported crime to add to our own. NO integration whatsoever, they aren’t interested. They simply come for the money/jobs. House rental prices are going through the roof.
FOR CHRIST’S SAKE LETS TAKE BACK CONTROL OF OUR OWN COUNTRY. Or should we simply forget about those who have given their lives to keep this country free?
They need somewhere to live, and without the benefits they won’t manage that. The black economy only pays them enough to feed themselves, they need the benefits to survive. They won’t put up with the shanties for a long term solution. And they’d be easy to round up if they were on the streets anyway
Aye, you’d think eh!
Remember though the norm for African cities IS the black economy, the same can be said for most third world cities.They can do it very well and to a level well above just feeding themselves. The large American cities, both East and West coast have prospered on it for years and you couldn’t accuse them of being over generous with welfare.
Remember if people come to work and can’t claim benefits but still come it’s a sign of a healthy vibrant economy. After all most of us in the UK came from immigrant stock that couldn’t claim benefits 
Looking like it’s going to be out then,fingers crossed,.
I don’t hide that I am a remainer, had plenty of posts on the subject on other threads.
The only good thing about an exit vote is that we won’t see labour in power for 30 years and we will get an even more right wing Tory government for the next 2-3 cycles.
It will be a shame to lose David/George but Gove or Boris or both as PM/Chancellor will at least accelerate the privatisation of this country and the further cutting of any and all benefits/social programs. We can shove the living wage in the long grass and will have a good excuse to erode any and all workers rights even further. They will have to make Britain more competitive and cut any and all red tape to overcome the economic shock that an exit will give us.
The next government won’t have to worry about some sad ■■■■ taking it to the European court or use the EU human rights act to try to obstruct ultra right wing Tory policies.
Silver lining.
wheelnutt:
I don’t hide that I am a remainer, had plenty of posts on the subject on other threads.
The only good thing about an exit vote is that we won’t see labour in power for 30 years and we will get an even more right wing Tory government for the next 2-3 cycles.
It will be a shame to lose David/George but Gove or Boris or both as PM/Chancellor will at least accelerate the privatisation of this country and the further cutting of any and all benefits/social programs. We can shove the living wage in the long grass and will have a good excuse to erode any and all workers rights even further. They will have to make Britain more competitive and cut any and all red tape to overcome the economic shock that an exit will give us.
The next government won’t have to worry about some sad [zb] taking it to the European court or use the EU human rights act to try to obstruct ultra right wing Tory policies.
Silver lining.
You’re really Dodgy Dave aren’t you, go back to the MP forum this is for real people,nite.
wheelnutt:
I don’t hide that I am a remainer, had plenty of posts on the subject on other threads.
You’d have to accept though that among folk who work in the transport industry, you’re in a very small minority on this thread.
bobbya:
wheelnutt:
I don’t hide that I am a remainer, had plenty of posts on the subject on other threads.
The only good thing about an exit vote is that we won’t see labour in power for 30 years and we will get an even more right wing Tory government for the next 2-3 cycles.
It will be a shame to lose David/George but Gove or Boris or both as PM/Chancellor will at least accelerate the privatisation of this country and the further cutting of any and all benefits/social programs. We can shove the living wage in the long grass and will have a good excuse to erode any and all workers rights even further. They will have to make Britain more competitive and cut any and all red tape to overcome the economic shock that an exit will give us.
The next government won’t have to worry about some sad [zb] taking it to the European court or use the EU human rights act to try to obstruct ultra right wing Tory policies.
Silver lining.
You’re really Dodgy Dave aren’t you, go back to the MP forum this is for real people,nite.
Always a sure sign of weakness when the poster gets attacked and not the post. Was I expecting anything differently■■? Not really.
Harry Monk:
wheelnutt:
I don’t hide that I am a remainer, had plenty of posts on the subject on other threads.
You’d have to accept though that among folk who work in the transport industry, you’re in a very small minority on this thread.
I am a capitalist Tory on top of that, not many of those here either…
wheelnutt:
bobbya:
wheelnutt:
I don’t hide that I am a remainer, had plenty of posts on the subject on other threads.
The only good thing about an exit vote is that we won’t see labour in power for 30 years and we will get an even more right wing Tory government for the next 2-3 cycles.
It will be a shame to lose David/George but Gove or Boris or both as PM/Chancellor will at least accelerate the privatisation of this country and the further cutting of any and all benefits/social programs. We can shove the living wage in the long grass and will have a good excuse to erode any and all workers rights even further. They will have to make Britain more competitive and cut any and all red tape to overcome the economic shock that an exit will give us.
The next government won’t have to worry about some sad [zb] taking it to the European court or use the EU human rights act to try to obstruct ultra right wing Tory policies.
Silver lining.
You’re really Dodgy Dave aren’t you, go back to the MP forum this is for real people,nite.
Always a sure sign of weakness when the poster gets attacked and not the post. Was I expecting anything differently■■? Not really.
Sorry Dave just think you’re on the wrong forum, that’s all, nite.
wheelnutt:
I am a capitalist Tory on top of that, not many of those here either…
No, this is a forum primarily for truck drivers. If you make money by exploiting wage arbitrage between western and eastern Europe then I don’t blame you at all for wanting to stay in. Most of the people here have lost out through it though.
You’ll have to forgive me for not having time to search through your previous posts, but what exactly do you do? Presumably you aren’t a truck driver?
wheelnutt:
I don’t hide that I am a remainer, had plenty of posts on the subject on other threads.
The only good thing about an exit vote is that we won’t see labour in power for 30 years and we will get an even more right wing Tory government for the next 2-3 cycles.
It will be a shame to lose David/George but Gove or Boris or both as PM/Chancellor will at least accelerate the privatisation of this country and the further cutting of any and all benefits/social programs. We can shove the living wage in the long grass and will have a good excuse to erode any and all workers rights even further. They will have to make Britain more competitive and cut any and all red tape to overcome the economic shock that an exit will give us.
The next government won’t have to worry about some sad [zb] taking it to the European court or use the EU human rights act to try to obstruct ultra right wing Tory policies.
Silver lining.
However if we remain we will have the Euro within 3 years and 6m Turks arriving inside 2 years.
Also,if what you say is a “silver lining” to you,why would you want to remain.
See,you imagine whatever scenario you want.It goes both ways.
wheelnutt:
I don’t hide that I am a remainer, had plenty of posts on the subject on other threads.
The only good thing about an exit vote is that we won’t see labour in power for 30 years and we will get an even more right wing Tory government for the next 2-3 cycles.
It will be a shame to lose David/George but Gove or Boris or both as PM/Chancellor will at least accelerate the privatisation of this country and the further cutting of any and all benefits/social programs. We can shove the living wage in the long grass and will have a good excuse to erode any and all workers rights even further. They will have to make Britain more competitive and cut any and all red tape to overcome the economic shock that an exit will give us.
The next government won’t have to worry about some sad [zb] taking it to the European court or use the EU human rights act to try to obstruct ultra right wing Tory policies.
Silver lining.
Firstly it would be interesting to hear your definition of right wing.
I’m guessing that you’re having a go at previous Europhile Labour administrations that ran the economy into the ground mostly because of the effects of our EEC/EU trade deficit and net contributions.In addition to Blair maintaining all the attacks made on union rights and pensions and social security made by Europhile Conservative Thatcher and Blair’s open door immigration policy.
Then you think that the way to fix all that and the workers rights and wage and benefits regime is to apply more of the same.Bearing in mind the reasons why IDS walked away.
But look on the bright side we can finally join Cameron’s Eurasian Communist inspired Federal project without argument when we’ve finally handed over the Nation’s sovereignty to Juncker’s Socialist hordes.At which point no doubt Cameron will then be able to push through the cuts to the Social Security budget which IDS refused to do.No doubt to help smooth the way for Turkey’s membership with plenty of economic sweeteners.
If that’s your idea of left wing Tory I’ll settle for a Kate Hoey led Labour thanks.Just like a Shore led Labour Party would have been a lot better for those ‘workers rights’ than Europhile Callaghan’s or Blair’s let alone Europhile Thatcher’s/Major’s/Cameron’s Cons .
Meanwhile like Callaghan,Blair and Thatcher etc your definition of left is somewhere slightly to the right of Xi Jinping if at all just like Corbyn.
