Price drifting further today for Remain - 4/7 out to 4/6… That’s the “highest” price I’ve seen so far for Remain…
Turnout over 80% last 6 shows… 20-1, 25-1, 10-1,12-1 currently 16-1.
Remain’s percentage of vote under 40% (eg. Brexit win by 60% or better) - 40-1, 33-1,25-1,20-1 currently 18-1.
As for not getting the gov you voted for, 64% of the UK don’t have the Gov they voted for, and 54% of scots didn’t vote for the SNP - Seems not having the gov you voted for is the norm.
Aye, the price we pay for democracy !
Funnily enough I do have the Scottish “government” I voted for.
Is Brexit not a bit like getting divorced then trying to persuade your Ex to give you access to the house and the use of any amenities within? As for access to the equivalent of conjugal rights you can be sure the EU will make sure that’s on their terms, when they want and at way over the amount of housekeeping you used to pay.
Harry Monk:
OVLOV JAY:
What will happen when cabotage is lifted? Most firms will just pack up, when Eastern European hauliers flood the shores with empty trucks, on cheaper fuel, and cheaper wages.For any British person working in the transport industry, I’d say this is THE essential point to consider. Cabotage restrictions will be removed at some point, and then the whole transport industry will go the same way as the continental transport industry.
This is why you charge incoming trucks £100 at port of entry per trip. Not possible at present because it’s “Illegal under EU law”. 
Munchkin:
As for not getting the gov you voted for, 64% of the UK don’t have the Gov they voted for, and 54% of scots didn’t vote for the SNP - Seems not having the gov you voted for is the norm.
Aye, the price we pay for democracy !
Funnily enough I do have the Scottish “government” I voted for.
Is Brexit not a bit like getting divorced then trying to persuade your Ex to give you access to the house and the use of any amenities within? As for access to the equivalent of conjugal rights you can be sure the EU will make sure that’s on their terms, when they want and at way over the amount of housekeeping you used to pay.
Yeh, but if you’re still living with a nagging shrew, getting none at home, paying the damned housekeeping money - and getting locked out each night you spend too long down the boozer - You’re gonna be signing those papers pretty damned quick when they come…
A good point raised by a caller on lbc this morning, why would anyone who works with their hands want to remain? The general consensus among manual workers is migration has stifled wages. I’ve always said I don’t blame migrants from coming here. Don’t hate the player, hate the game, and this referendum is our only chance to get any sort of change
Munchkin:
How can you quote living standards from times gone by? They are simply not relevant…
As for not getting it, we have a far better chance of dictating to our lying scum politicians if we only have them to deal with, and not the ones in Brussels as well!
This made me laugh!
The return to times gone by seems to be the main argument of the Leavers.
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Really so you’ve missed the inconvenient bits like the difference between Federal rule v the Nation State which is actually a European argument and is timeless. 
No surprise the in campaign won’t like the references to times gone by because that is the inconvenient reference point which busts the myth that the EU is supposedly good for workers rights and the economy.
Munchkin:
As for not getting the gov you voted for, 64% of the UK don’t have the Gov they voted for, and 54% of scots didn’t vote for the SNP - Seems not having the gov you voted for is the norm.
Aye, the price we pay for democracy !
Funnily enough I do have the Scottish “government” I voted for.
Is Brexit not a bit like getting divorced then trying to persuade your Ex to give you access to the house and the use of any amenities within? As for access to the equivalent of conjugal rights you can be sure the EU will make sure that’s on their terms, when they want and at way over the amount of housekeeping you used to pay.
And in Nicola I think we probably have the best and most sincere politician in the UK at the moment. I suspect she is in two minds about the vote, she is definitely all for staying in the EU, but an Exit would just be the perfect reason for another independence referendum.
Munchkin:
Is Brexit not a bit like getting divorced then trying to persuade your Ex to give you access to the house and the use of any amenities within? As for access to the equivalent of conjugal rights you can be sure the EU will make sure that’s on their terms, when they want and at way over the amount of housekeeping you used to pay.
No it’s like handing over the ownership of your house to the state who’ll then remove all the boundaries and re allocate the place and the land it sits on as they see fit on a random basis.Which actually means you and the Mrs still pay the mortgage on a house that is no longer yours and which your neighbours have as much ( more if they out vote you ) right to live in and to decide who pays what for the household bills,as you do.Which is why the Socialists like the idea.
Bluey Circles:
Munchkin:
As a Scot I’ve already voted Remain as I already live in a country with a government I didn’t vote for and having my laws made in a country I don’t live in.One of the factors swaying me to a remain vote is, I definitely don’t want another Scottish Independence referendum - we have had years of this crap up here, we had years of the first independence referendum, then we had the UK general election, then the Scottish Elections, now this EU referendum - I really don’t want to move straight into more political campaigning stating on june 24th - Its a Neverendum up here.
As for not getting the gov you voted for, 64% of the UK don’t have the Gov they voted for, and 54% of scots didn’t vote for the SNP - Seems not having the gov you voted for is the norm.
But it’s clear from all your posts that you’re a believer in the Federal government system.
You think the way to fix all that is by getting involved with an even bigger Federal cluster zb in the form of the EU.Rather than firstly getting back to the idea of the Nation State which is itself then governed more along locally democratic lines.
The problem in the case of Scotland being that its so called Nationalist Party is actually a bunch of Federalists masquerading under the Nationalist banner.
Bluey Circles:
And in Nicola I think we probably have the best and most sincere politician in the UK at the moment. I suspect she is in two minds about the vote, she is definitely all for staying in the EU, but an Exit would just be the perfect reason for another independence referendum.
Are you serious.She’s a so called Nationalist supporting Altieri Spinelli’s communist vision for an EUSSR.
OVLOV JAY:
A good point raised by a caller on lbc this morning, why would anyone who works with their hands want to remain? The general consensus among manual workers is migration has stifled wages. I’ve always said I don’t blame migrants from coming here. Don’t hate the player, hate the game, and this referendum is our only chance to get any sort of change
Where is the evidence that a leave vote will actually change that though? No one in actual authority (as far as I know) has actually said this will happen. For all we know it might stay the same in some sort of EU deal the government makes to speed up the negotiation proccess.
I have no problem with immigration but I would like the “points” system to limit who comes here and a “no job, no visa” type rule but at the moment all I hear is “im voting leave to limit immigration” with no actual proof that a leave vote will bring it
The-Snowman:
OVLOV JAY:
A good point raised by a caller on lbc this morning, why would anyone who works with their hands want to remain? The general consensus among manual workers is migration has stifled wages. I’ve always said I don’t blame migrants from coming here. Don’t hate the player, hate the game, and this referendum is our only chance to get any sort of changeWhere is the evidence that a leave vote will actually change that though? No one in actual authority (as far as I know) has actually said this will happen. For all we know it might stay the same in some sort of EU deal the government makes to speed up the negotiation proccess.
I have no problem with immigration but I would like the “points” system to limit who comes here and a “no job, no visa” type rule but at the moment all I hear is “im voting leave to limit immigration” with no actual proof that a leave vote will bring it
There is no proof it will stop, but there is proof it will carry on if we remain
OVLOV JAY:
There is no proof it will stop, but there is proof it will carry on if we remain
Yep, Dodgy Dave has set his stall out on this one…
Its gonna be very interesting referendum for sure.
Some people here are very misinformed, wanting to make his/hers own law because a Romanian got a benefit check, like EU made you have this benefit system.
UK is what it is(economically) thanks to EU, you think you will flourish out of the common market, good to see how. Who is going to give you better deal - EU, US, China, Australia or Canada, you are for a big reality check on 24th if you think you will keep the size of the current economy without EU, does preventing you from heaving upper hand in trade negotiations.
A lot of businesses will go bust without immigrant cheap labor, yeah I know Brits will do the job for twice the minimum wage, but who’s gonna buy so expensive products - no one. 80% of your GDP is services anyway…
The sovereignty issue is a reasonable and more then enough to vote for.
From an outside Britain looks like this: Britain applied twice, flourished for 40 decades, Brits worked in EU in the 70’s and 80’s - you all seems to forget this, retire on the continent again wherever you wanted, you economy is booming because you attract foreign investments and people thanks to EU, you opted out of the Euro and Schengen etc. etc. exploted your option to a huge extend
You simply want to dictate how thing are run in EU, want to get always the best deal, because you are British and above all others, I see this mentality here…
May be its time I start learning other languages 
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The-Snowman:
Where is the evidence that a leave vote will actually change that though? No one in actual authority (as far as I know) has actually said this will happen. For all we know it might stay the same in some sort of EU deal the government makes to speed up the negotiation proccess.
I have no problem with immigration but I would like the “points” system to limit who comes here and a “no job, no visa” type rule but at the moment all I hear is “im voting leave to limit immigration” with no actual proof that a leave vote will bring it
What a leave vote ‘will’ do is to remove us from the implications of Merkel’s and Cameron’s plan to fast track Turkey’s membership and all the implications of ‘free movement’ for any Islamic nomad who Turkey feels like waving through.It will also remove the automatic right of free movement for East Euro economic migration.It will also remove us from the European human rights legislation thereby making it easier to deport illegals.To which your answer is let’s stay in it.
Harry Monk:
OVLOV JAY:
There is no proof it will stop, but there is proof it will carry on if we remainYep, Dodgy Dave has set his stall out on this one…
And you’ll still have remainers on here saying that’s all lies
OVLOV JAY:
Harry Monk:
OVLOV JAY:
There is no proof it will stop, but there is proof it will carry on if we remainYep, Dodgy Dave has set his stall out on this one…
And you’ll still have remainers on here saying that’s all lies
and here.
It’s all lies. If call me Dave and Bollock Obama stick their fingers in their ears, is just fail to exist. There are no Islamic immigrants, there are no terrorists, it’s all fear and propaganda from brexit 
The-Snowman:
OVLOV JAY:
A good point raised by a caller on lbc this morning, why would anyone who works with their hands want to remain? The general consensus among manual workers is migration has stifled wages. I’ve always said I don’t blame migrants from coming here. Don’t hate the player, hate the game, and this referendum is our only chance to get any sort of changeWhere is the evidence that a leave vote will actually change that though? No one in actual authority (as far as I know) has actually said this will happen. For all we know it might stay the same in some sort of EU deal the government makes to speed up the negotiation proccess.
I have no problem with immigration but I would like the “points” system to limit who comes here and a “no job, no visa” type rule but at the moment all I hear is “im voting leave to limit immigration” with no actual proof that a leave vote will bring it
Thats so funny, listening to Brexiters how they will vote out to limit immigration, when asked how - no answer. Once UK leaves I don’t believe it will have the upper hand to negotiated deals - trade, immigration etc.
And if EU demand free movement of people in order to trade, how a point based system will be implemented…no one is dare to explain. I watched Gove on the tv debate, very very slick politician, never answered anything but kept talking nonsense, how Brits put up with this. Are people so blind to see its mainly UK government fault for NHS, housing shortage, immigrants not integrating. Why no one asks themselves why people assimilate in US, Canada, Australia but not in UK.
How immigration will be stopped when so many businesses depend on immigrant labor in order to stay competitive in the global market. How are problems going to be resolved, no one seems to answer, only nationalistic comments from the Brexit camp with British empire reminder every 5 minutes. Well its not 1816, but 2016…
