Dolph:
I was watching an interview with Hitachi CEO who said that they choose UK as their hub in Europe because UK is in EU.
Nissan employ’s directly and indirectly 120 000 people in UK and most of their products are exported to the EU. Its simple logic really, what will happen with this businesses and investment once UK is out of the common market.
Boris Johnson on why he favours an amnesty for long-term illegal immigrants
And here is the key quote from Boris Johnson’s speech, on why he supports an amnesty for long-term illegal immigrants.
“And, yes, let us take back control of our borders with a sensible, fair and impartial system. And let me take on this issue absolutely directly. Because I am pro-immigration, my friends. I am the proud descendent of Turkish immigrants. And let me stun you, perhaps, by saying I would go further. I am not only pro-immigration, I’m pro-immigrants, but I am in favour of an amnesty for illegal immigrants who have been here for more than 12 years, unable to contribute to this economy, unable to pay taxes, unable to take proper part in society. And I will tell you why: because it is the humane thing to do. It is the economically rational thing do to. And it means taking back control of a system that is at the moment completely out of control”.
And British people will vote him as PM in office post Brexit…
Why selectively just choose Boris Johnson as an example of a possible leader.The difference being that we can’t vote out Juncker etc but we can refuse to vote for Boris.
As for a 12 year benchmark for illegals that’s a reasonably high hurdle and a lot better than what Cameron and Merkel intend to do in opening the door to Turkey.
del trotter:
They’re annexing Sunderland as we speak.
The in campaign for people that can’t understand the meaning of net gain,loss,deficit or surplus.They were ‘re located’ from places like Daghenham to Cologne and Luton to Russelsheim among many others including East Euro more recently.The result being a ‘net’ loss of jobs from UK to EU.Not to mention that what we do have left is mostly assembly not manufacturing.On that note feel free to tell us where most of the components ‘assembled’ in Sunderland are ‘manufactured’.
Can we have an answer to the question of do you support the idea of the nation state over federation or vice versa.I won’t hold my breath waiting.
Dolph:
I was watching an interview with Hitachi CEO who said that they choose UK as their hub in Europe because UK is in EU.
Nissan employ’s directly and indirectly 120 000 people in UK and most of their products are exported to the EU. Its simple logic really, what will happen with this businesses and investment once UK is out of the common market.
Boris Johnson on why he favours an amnesty for long-term illegal immigrants
And here is the key quote from Boris Johnson’s speech, on why he supports an amnesty for long-term illegal immigrants.
“And, yes, let us take back control of our borders with a sensible, fair and impartial system. And let me take on this issue absolutely directly. Because I am pro-immigration, my friends. I am the proud descendent of Turkish immigrants. And let me stun you, perhaps, by saying I would go further. I am not only pro-immigration, I’m pro-immigrants, but I am in favour of an amnesty for illegal immigrants who have been here for more than 12 years, unable to contribute to this economy, unable to pay taxes, unable to take proper part in society. And I will tell you why: because it is the humane thing to do. It is the economically rational thing do to. And it means taking back control of a system that is at the moment completely out of control”.
And British people will vote him as PM in office post Brexit…
And how difficult (plus expensive) is it going to be to expel or repatriate immigrants that have been here for say 12 years?
It sounds to me that Boris is smarter than I give him credit for!
Its gonna be very easy if the Government decide to do it. Severe penalties for employers who hire illegals, severe penalties for people who lent property for illegals; no driving licence or bank account for illegals(over stayers). The result: No job, no home, no car - they will leave by them self, not a penny will be spend on them.
How the devil can so many people who’ve apparently NOT voted yet, then decide that because of last Thursday - they are now “not going to bother at all”?
I’ve looked at ALL the betting prices today, and there has been a massive amount of new money for Remain - coupled with odds LENGTHENING for a high turnout.
The lie is exposed here that “A high turnout helps Remain” - That’s not what it looks like!
I’m gobsmacked that so many people originally intent on voting for Brexit have now either opted “not to vote at all” which sounds very weak-minded of them and/or "They are swinging from Brexit to Remain because that’s what most respects the “Lamb of Parliament” right now.
The fact that the Stockmarket AND pound are soaring for their biggest one-day rise in months today - suggest that the “Rich know they’ve got it in the bag now”.
Friday will be a sombre occasion then, with a simmering 49.99999% of people that the remain result will disgust…
Then there will be blood on the streets the moment the EU so much as utters “Last one out - don’t forget to turn out the lights” to Britain as a gloating sneer…
How the devil can anyone KNOW that so many intent Brexit voters - now won’t even be turning up on Thursday at the polls? What do they know that we don’t?
There must be a LOT of people who might now be waverers - but already voted for Brexit by post FFS…
The Labour leadership will now pay a heavy price for selling out the entire country. There are just not enough people out there willing to sell their country for a hike in financial markets among ordinary folk.
This is all about a re-instatement of political apathy by the looks of it. A docile blue collar public, easily put off by events.
del trotter:
Most of the components for Nissan in Sunderland are manufactured at factories surrounding the plant, that’s how car manufacturing works.
As I said the loss of jobs at Ford Daghenham and GM Luton among others to EU imports outweighs any gains in production here.That’s how net trade deficit in manufactured goods works.
Dolph:
Its gonna be very easy if the Government decide to do it. Severe penalties for employers who hire illegals, severe penalties for people who lent property for illegals; no driving licence or bank account for illegals(over stayers). The result: No job, no home, no car - they will leave by them self, not a penny will be spend on them.
You can’t really believe that can you? As I think they will just live on the street, work on the black market, and resort to crime.
OK a small percentage of them may return if we pay for their flights and bribe them to go, but who says their own country will even accept them and let them off the plane?
What we need to put into perspective is that not all “OUT” campaigners want to kick out every migrant already over here, some of us are saying that enough is enough and unless we do something to put the brakes on this, we are going to sink in them. What we can be sure of, is that we don’t change course, we will drown in cheap unskilled labour that will continue to drive down the wages of us the working classes.
Winseer:
The Labour leadership will now pay a heavy price for selling out the entire country. There are just not enough people out there willing to sell their country for a hike in financial markets among ordinary folk.
This is all about a re-instatement of political apathy by the looks of it. A docile blue collar public, easily put off by events.
And when the zb hits the fan in the form of Juncker’s and the Spinelli Group etc takeover of the country you can bet the in vote will say that they only thought they were voting for a ‘common market’ and bs non existent economic benefits.Just like 1975.
On that note no a Federalist faction just doing what Federalists always do.Selling out the nation and then denying it if/when they are brought to account for their actions.
Evil8Beezle:
What we can be sure of, is that we don’t change course, we will drown in cheap unskilled labour that will continue to drive down the wages of us the working classes.
That’s been the case throughout the post war years.Helped by the Socialists on the basis that immigrants often vote Labour.Bearing in mind that Labour also perceives the need for an under paid dependent under class to maintain its vote.
del trotter:
Most of the components for Nissan in Sunderland are manufactured at factories surrounding the plant, that’s how car manufacturing works.
That must be a lot of parts then, as newell and wright deliver about 80 containers a week in from London gateway, often line stoppers. So the local parts must be double that to be most of the parts used
del trotter:
Most of the components for Nissan in Sunderland are manufactured at factories surrounding the plant, that’s how car manufacturing works.
As I said the loss of jobs at Ford Daghenham and GM Luton among others to EU imports outweighs any gains in production here.That’s how net trade deficit in manufactured goods works.
The car manufacturing industry in the UK is growing, they will never employ as many as Ford and GM as manufacturing methods have changed, however their output will be more.
del trotter:
The car manufacturing industry in the UK is growing, they will never employ as many as Ford and GM as manufacturing methods have changed, however their output will be more.
We’re discussing market share of UK v EU manufacturers in general.In which case are you seriously suggesting that UK car imports alone aren’t supporting more foreign EU jobs.Than the domestic industry is providing,in terms of domestic jobs,regarding both domestic market and EU export production combined.Only the most loyal Cameron or Corbyn follower could believe that.
Which leaves the point that the argument is about trading nation for federation.In this case using the excuse of dodgy trade deals that don’t even benefit us to do it.
An in campaigner arguing for UK car manufacturing and against the trade deficit situation.You do know that EU membership actually resulted in the wholesale closure and relocation of UK car manufacturing to the EU and we’ve been in a massive trade deficit situation with the EU since we joined it.
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I was questioning Muckaway on his plans post Brexit, should it happen, on how to balance the books if he doesn’t care if our multi-billion £ car industry moves abroad or closes?
As a Brexit man he doesn’t seem to support the industrial base of the very same country he wants to stand on it’s own two feet!
As a Remainer I also wish to see the country prosper but with the support and backing of our neighbours. Much as I see my own area of the country within the wider context of our nation.
del trotter:
The car manufacturing industry in the UK is growing, they will never employ as many as Ford and GM as manufacturing methods have changed, however their output will be more.
We’re discussing market share of UK v EU manufacturers in general.In which case are you seriously suggesting that UK car imports alone aren’t supporting more foreign EU jobs.Than the domestic industry is providing,in terms of domestic jobs,regarding both domestic market and EU export production combined.Only the most loyal Cameron or Corbyn follower could believe that.
Which leaves the point that the argument is about trading nation for federation.In this case using the excuse of dodgy trade deals that don’t even benefit us to do it.
No, your discussing with yourself whatever agenda you feel you want to push, what you really don’t like is when people point out the errors in your blinkered view.
Seeing as only Poland is the only eastern european nation that employ more people in direct automotive manufacturing than the UK your argument about jobs disappearing to eastern Europe doesn’t stack up.
How about an answer to justice the simple question Nation v Federation which do you support.Bearing in mind neutral is a bs non option.
Are you rewriting the referendum question then or just your usual totalitarian view of agree with me or be damned?
If it came to that I think damned would be a blessed relief !!!
Funny how the World’s most successful economy so far is a federation don’t you think? Must work a bit OK!
del trotter:
No, your discussing with yourself whatever agenda you feel you want to push, what you really don’t like is when people point out the errors in your blinkered view.
Seeing as only Poland is the only eastern european nation that employ more people in direct automotive manufacturing than the UK your argument about jobs disappearing to eastern Europe doesn’t stack up.
infantile really.
No you’re the one with the obvious federalist agenda here.We’re discussing net jobs lost to the ‘EU’ not just Poland.
Munchkin:
How about an answer to justice the simple question Nation v Federation which do you support.Bearing in mind neutral is a bs non option.
Are you rewriting the referendum question then or just your usual totalitarian view of agree with me or be damned?
If it came to that I think damned would be a blessed relief !!!
Funny how the World’s most successful economy so far is a federation don’t you think? Must work a bit OK!
But great you’re just about the first Federalist here who’s been prepared to admit you’re one and that obviously wants to sign your country away to Juncker’s zb pile on Thursday.
del trotter:
No, your discussing with yourself whatever agenda you feel you want to push, what you really don’t like is when people point out the errors in your blinkered view.
Seeing as only Poland is the only eastern european nation that employ more people in direct automotive manufacturing than the UK your argument about jobs disappearing to eastern Europe doesn’t stack up.
infantile really.
No you’re the one with the obvious federalist agenda here.We’re discussing net jobs lost to the ‘EU’ not just Poland.
And you’ve been shown time and time again that your facts are wrong, you seem to be blaming the EU for globalisation yet would expect US corporations to be queuing up to come here if the UK left, however you cannot accept when globalisation means some corporations feel it is more profitable to leave the UK, its the world we live in, get used to it.
