Carryfast: We might know that - but we only get one vote each. It only takes three chumps who don’t understand what’s really at stake here - to bury our votes, and render our ballots useless.
What happens to all those ballots that have gone off in the post already? - Including mine now by this point?
They can be examined, spoilt to a “Believable percentage” or whole reams of them given to some outfit like Iron Mountain to be discretely burned at some local incinerator. (What percentage of people do you really think would deliberately spoil their own ballot paper, and then bother to post it? - I’m thinking ‘very close to zero’)
I reckon a few millitants should stand and picket the country’s incinerators and land fill sites - just to make sure such skulduggery does not happen!
I’m concerned that we get “Price conditioned” to expect a turnout in the mid-60’s when it’s likely to be in the mid 80’s like the Scottish Referendum… Setting us up to “lose 20%” of ballot papers perhaps?
I’ve bet at 20-1 odds that turnover will be over 80% in the forelorn hope that I’m totally wrong about this suspicion I have… It’s a bit worrying that “Remain to get less than 40% of the poll” is still 25-1 as well!
Winseer:
Carryfast: We might know that - but we only get one vote each. It only takes three chumps who don’t understand what’s really at stake here - to bury our votes, and render our ballots useless.
What happens to all those ballots that have gone off in the post already? - Including mine now by this point?
They can be examined, spoilt to a “Believable percentage” or whole reams of them given to some outfit like Iron Mountain to be discretely burned at some local incinerator. (What percentage of people do you really think would deliberately spoil their own ballot paper, and then bother to post it? - I’m thinking ‘very close to zero’)
I reckon a few millitants should stand and picket the country’s incinerators and land fill sites - just to make sure such skulduggery does not happen!
I’m concerned that we get “Price conditioned” to expect a turnout in the mid-60’s when it’s likely to be in the mid 80’s like the Scottish Referendum… Setting us up to “lose 20%” of ballot papers perhaps?
I’ve bet at 20-1 odds that turnover will be over 80% in the forelorn hope that I’m totally wrong about this suspicion I have… It’s a bit worrying that “Remain to get less than 40% of the poll” is still 25-1 as well!
Firstly I don’t like the idea of ‘postal’ vote or ‘online’ registration and I don’t remember either of those options being around historically and obviously not the latter.
Having said that although not being totally sceptical of conspiracies I’ve unfortunately got leave as 45% against 55% remain regardless of the turnout figure all based on a best case clean fair fight.Just simply based on the idea that,as I’ve said,I think we’ve got a sinister massive unholy Federalist alliance in this country made up of Conservatives who take the Unionist ideology to the EU extreme and Socialists like Corbyn who see big allies in the Socialist cause on the continent including the thing’s founders like Spinelli and its modern day offspring like the Spinelli Group.
I’d also guess that they wouldn’t commit themselves to that question of Slovene/Croat Nationalist v JNA because deep down they know that they’d be on the JNA side of that argument.
Which just leaves the question why.As I’ve said maybe Karma for all those who’ve died fighting against UK Federalism.Whereby now the UK itself gets eaten by a bigger Federal fish in the form of the EU and its probable future equivalent of the JNA if future generations of Brits decide to try to secede.The difference being that in this case the EU Federal army will probably be in large part made up of British Federalist forces fighting for the EU.
On that note as I said the F word was all important in this debate and now hopefully you’ll realise why I’ve been on about it repeatedly,as being the most important issue.But which sadly seems to be the default choice in a country that’s instinctively Federalist not Nationalist probably since its takeover in 1066.To the point now where it will probably vote itself out of existence by choice and hand itself over to Juncker’s USE.
I am inclined to agree that 55/45 (what the Scottish result was) does indeed seem to be implied by the betting prices as they are. The last “surge” for Brexit might not quite get it over the line.
The establishment will move heaven and earth to prevent the result being 51/49 in Brexit’s favour, and easily shift it back to the same in remain’s favour. Only a 2% swing needed…
I’ve always argued that a 51/49 result in remain’s favour will pretty much be “the final result” - not so the other way around of course.
There will be a prompt for UKIP to surge in the polls as the SNP did after being robbed at the ballot box - but with Farage NOT being a sitting MP, I’m wondering if the few Tories and Labour supporting Brexit will be enough to convince them to “Cross the floor” and join the solitary Carswell… The thought of it kinda seems utterly absurd.
Cameron would probably offer the losing Brexiteers in his own party some kind of magnanimous deal in the name of “Party Unity”. The Labour party though - will tear itself apart, thus replacing the Tories in that regard.
Once the smoke settles, any implied promises from the EU can quietly get watered down/shelved - and the way open to gently push even higher our immigrant intake, whilst pushing up our premiums in the name of “Your economy has just got a boost from the remain win”. More lose/lose I fear there.
The EU commission will give the green light to more American corporations to take over more British infrastructure firms in particular. More EU regulations will continue to crush small and medium businesses under a deluge of red tape, whilst already-positioned larger firms jump at the chance of crushing the companies previously snapping at their heels in a once competitive market place that now stands to be totally dominated by big business - thus completing the conspiracy against the public that this all amounts to.
Winseer:
Carryfast: We might know that - but we only get one vote each. It only takes three chumps who don’t understand what’s really at stake here - to bury our votes, and render our ballots useless.
What happens to all those ballots that have gone off in the post already? - Including mine now by this point?
They can be examined, spoilt to a “Believable percentage” or whole reams of them given to some outfit like Iron Mountain to be discretely burned at some local incinerator. (What percentage of people do you really think would deliberately spoil their own ballot paper, and then bother to post it? - I’m thinking ‘very close to zero’)
I reckon a few millitants should stand and picket the country’s incinerators and land fill sites - just to make sure such skulduggery does not happen!
I’m concerned that we get “Price conditioned” to expect a turnout in the mid-60’s when it’s likely to be in the mid 80’s like the Scottish Referendum… Setting us up to “lose 20%” of ballot papers perhaps?
I’ve bet at 20-1 odds that turnover will be over 80% in the forelorn hope that I’m totally wrong about this suspicion I have… It’s a bit worrying that “Remain to get less than 40% of the poll” is still 25-1 as well!
Edit: I think I’m getting dyslexic, as I’m sure I typed “And as we all know, resistance is futile!”
Maybe I’m going senile, which may be a blessing as it’s easier to spell!
Winseer:
I am inclined to agree that 55/45 (what the Scottish result was) does indeed seem to be implied by the betting prices as they are. The last “surge” for Brexit might not quite get it over the line.
The establishment will move heaven and earth to prevent the result being 51/49 in Brexit’s favour, and easily shift it back to the same in remain’s favour. Only a 2% swing needed…
I’ve always argued that a 51/49 result in remain’s favour will pretty much be “the final result” - not so the other way around of course.
There will be a prompt for UKIP to surge in the polls as the SNP did after being robbed at the ballot box - but with Farage NOT being a sitting MP, I’m wondering if the few Tories and Labour supporting Brexit will be enough to convince them to “Cross the floor” and join the solitary Carswell… The thought of it kinda seems utterly absurd.
Cameron would probably offer the losing Brexiteers in his own party some kind of magnanimous deal in the name of “Party Unity”. The Labour party though - will tear itself apart, thus replacing the Tories in that regard.
Once the smoke settles, any implied promises from the EU can quietly get watered down/shelved - and the way open to gently push even higher our immigrant intake, whilst pushing up our premiums in the name of “Your economy has just got a boost from the remain win”. More lose/lose I fear there.
The EU commission will give the green light to more American corporations to take over more British infrastructure firms in particular. More EU regulations will continue to crush small and medium businesses under a deluge of red tape, whilst already-positioned larger firms jump at the chance of crushing the companies previously snapping at their heels in a once competitive market place that now stands to be totally dominated by big business - thus completing the conspiracy against the public that this all amounts to.
Most of that is probably how it will go.But an in vote can only strengthen the Socialist grip not weaken it which is why Corbyn is so keen on it.The present unity in the Labour Party for remain,much of it based on its pro immigration demographic takeover agenda,also suggests that an in vote will do anything but tear the now totally lost cause Socialist cluster zb that is Labour apart.
As for the ‘implied’ ‘promises’ I don’t think anyone is under any illusion that this isn’t clearly a Nation v Federation choice and argument.Whether it be Cameron’s Europhile Cons and his non existent ‘return’ of powers from Brussels,or the Leave campaign,or most of all the Socialist Labour Party remain vote.IE everyone knows exactly what this is about.With,just as in 1975,the Federalists often lying about their so called ‘not knowing’ that they are signing the country over to Spinelli’s EUSSR when they know full well that is their agenda and intention.
As for the future I see no reason as to why all the usual human nature wish for self determination won’t still be there under that crushing Federal ■■■■■■■■■■.It being shown numerous times to be strong enough for people to volunteer to go up against tanks and artillery armed with rifles.Whether it be 1916-20 Ireland or 1991 Yugoslavia or probably 2050 EU.Assuming the EU doesn’t kick off a war with Russia first.
It was ironic that a series dedicated to the celebration of the Federation and the idea of the Federation being good would also try to make the point of the dangers of the ‘collective’. ‘The Borg’ in this case being the EU just like the Yugoslav Federation.
It was ironic that a series dedicated to the celebration of the Federation and the idea of the Federation being good would also try to make the point of the dangers of the ‘collective’. ‘The Borg’ in this case being the EU just like the Yugoslav Federation.
You just can’t ■■■■ knock him back can you. he can even get back on thread from a Star Trek reference.
What link to the EU and 20th Century European history Carryfast, can you come up with to Peppa Pig, and how will a Brexit victory affect Daddy pig and his immeadiate family from a financial perspective, in the following 5 year period.?
Carryfast, stop giving SFR Yugoslavia as an example of EU to support your point of view. It far fetched at best. Do you know why?
There is no German troops marching along side tanks in UK. Yugo wars will never happen, because EU its not like that, other countries will not allow it as well, EU is created on the principle of peace to prevent war, not vice versa. And UK has strong army and nukes.
Only in your had Yugo scenario is possible.
Also countries in the Balkans were fighting one another for piece of land long before England existed, its the sad and grim reality.
I couldn’t care less if car makers go abroad, we haven’t had our own large scale manufacturer since Rover went (thankfully).
I haven’t bought a British built car in years anyway.
Okay! So you haven’t bought a British car in years and don’t care if the industry goes, correct ?
Does this apply to any other household expenditure presumably including food that is produced by UK industry?
As a UKIP supporter therefore I presume an OUTIE, how do you propose to pay for everything you buy from abroad?
Also as a UKIP supporter is it not a bit more than hypocritical to not give a stuff about UK industry?
Dolph:
Carryfast, stop giving SFR Yugoslavia as an example of EU to support your point of view. It far fetched at best. Do you know why?
There is no German troops marching along side tanks in UK. Yugo wars will never happen, because EU its not like that, other countries will not allow it as well, EU is created on the principle of peace to prevent war, not vice versa. And UK has strong army and nukes.
Only in your had Yugo scenario is possible.
Also countries in the Balkans were fighting one another for piece of land long before England existed, its the sad and grim reality.
Oh wait didn’t Tito set up the Yugoslav Federation with the same aim of all living in peaceful utopian harmony whether it be Islamic Bosnians to Slovenes to Serbs to Croats.
There are no German ( or Turkish Islamic ) troops based in UK at the moment because we don’t ‘yet’ have a Federal EU army.
As for UK militia v EU army and nukes that worked well between former Soviet Union members Russia and Ukraine then.IE like Russia v Ukraine surely even the most stupid federalist can’t possibly believe that an EU secessionist argument/war would ever go zb nuclear. Bearing in mind that the launch codes are held and blocked by the US anyway.
But what is foreseeable is an Islamic among others like German EU Federal force fighting against a secessionist UK force to help their Islamic immigrant Eurasian federation allies here.While at the same time you say that you’re supposedly against any link between EU and Turkey while at the same time supporting Europhile pro Turkish membership Cameron.Bulgaria acting true to form there then.
Munchkin:
Okay! So you haven’t bought a British car in years and don’t care if the industry goes, correct ?
Does this apply to any other household expenditure presumably including food that is produced by UK industry?
As a UKIP supporter therefore I presume an OUTIE, how do you propose to pay for everything you buy from abroad?
Also as a UKIP supporter is it not a bit more than hypocritical to not give a stuff about UK industry?
An in campaigner arguing for UK car manufacturing and against the trade deficit situation.You do know that EU membership actually resulted in the wholesale closure and relocation of UK car manufacturing to the EU and we’ve been in a massive trade deficit situation with the EU since we joined it.
How about an answer to just the simple question Nation v Federation which do you support.Bearing in mind neutral is a bs non option.
I was watching an interview with Hitachi CEO who said that they choose UK as their hub in Europe because UK is in EU.
Nissan employ’s directly and indirectly 120 000 people in UK and most of their products are exported to the EU. Its simple logic really, what will happen with this businesses and investment once UK is out of the common market.
Boris Johnson on why he favours an amnesty for long-term illegal immigrants
And here is the key quote from Boris Johnson’s speech, on why he supports an amnesty for long-term illegal immigrants.
“And, yes, let us take back control of our borders with a sensible, fair and impartial system. And let me take on this issue absolutely directly. Because I am pro-immigration, my friends. I am the proud descendent of Turkish immigrants. And let me stun you, perhaps, by saying I would go further. I am not only pro-immigration, I’m pro-immigrants, but I am in favour of an amnesty for illegal immigrants who have been here for more than 12 years, unable to contribute to this economy, unable to pay taxes, unable to take proper part in society. And I will tell you why: because it is the humane thing to do. It is the economically rational thing do to. And it means taking back control of a system that is at the moment completely out of control”.
And British people will vote him as PM in office post Brexit…
Munchkin:
Okay! So you haven’t bought a British car in years and don’t care if the industry goes, correct ?
Does this apply to any other household expenditure presumably including food that is produced by UK industry?
As a UKIP supporter therefore I presume an OUTIE, how do you propose to pay for everything you buy from abroad?
Also as a UKIP supporter is it not a bit more than hypocritical to not give a stuff about UK industry?
An in campaigner arguing for UK car manufacturing and against the trade deficit situation.You do know that EU membership actually resulted in the wholesale closure and relocation of UK car manufacturing to the EU and we’ve been in a massive trade deficit situation with the EU since we joined it.
How about an answer to just the simple question Nation v Federation which do you support.Bearing in mind neutral is a bs non option.
Could you tell me where into EU British car manufacturers have been relocated?
Dolph:
I was watching an interview with Hitachi CEO who said that they choose UK as their hub in Europe because UK is in EU.
Nissan employ’s directly and indirectly 120 000 people in UK and most of their products are exported to the EU. Its simple logic really, what will happen with this businesses and investment once UK is out of the common market.
Boris Johnson on why he favours an amnesty for long-term illegal immigrants
And here is the key quote from Boris Johnson’s speech, on why he supports an amnesty for long-term illegal immigrants.
“And, yes, let us take back control of our borders with a sensible, fair and impartial system. And let me take on this issue absolutely directly. Because I am pro-immigration, my friends. I am the proud descendent of Turkish immigrants. And let me stun you, perhaps, by saying I would go further. I am not only pro-immigration, I’m pro-immigrants, but I am in favour of an amnesty for illegal immigrants who have been here for more than 12 years, unable to contribute to this economy, unable to pay taxes, unable to take proper part in society. And I will tell you why: because it is the humane thing to do. It is the economically rational thing do to. And it means taking back control of a system that is at the moment completely out of control”.
And British people will vote him as PM in office post Brexit…
And how difficult (plus expensive) is it going to be to expel or repatriate immigrants that have been here for say 12 years?
It sounds to me that Boris is smarter than I give him credit for!
Munchkin:
Okay! So you haven’t bought a British car in years and don’t care if the industry goes, correct ?
Does this apply to any other household expenditure presumably including food that is produced by UK industry?
As a UKIP supporter therefore I presume an OUTIE, how do you propose to pay for everything you buy from abroad?
Also as a UKIP supporter is it not a bit more than hypocritical to not give a stuff about UK industry?
An in campaigner arguing for UK car manufacturing and against the trade deficit situation.You do know that EU membership actually resulted in the wholesale closure and relocation of UK car manufacturing to the EU and we’ve been in a massive trade deficit situation with the EU since we joined it.
How about an answer to just the simple question Nation v Federation which do you support.Bearing in mind neutral is a bs non option.
Could you tell me where into EU British car manufacturers have been relocated?
‘The Borg’ in this case being the EU just like the Yugoslav Federation. 
