Harry Monk:
Cut and pasted from elsewhere obviously, but worth a read…
Stronger in, Apparently NOT !Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army’s new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU ‘regeneration’ grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it’s Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.
Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn’t paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don’t even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.
I haven’t detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don’t even go there.
I haven’t mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.
Find something that’s gone the other way, I’ve looked and I just can’t. If you think the EU is a good idea,
1/ You haven’t read the party manifesto of The European Peoples’ Party.
2/ You haven’t had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down.
3/ You don’t think it matters.
Inaccurate the first time it was posted ages ago and still inaccurate now.
Another good reason to come out is Michael Burry (the only man to predict the 2008 crash (in 2005 btw)), is predicting another global recession. I found this out after doing some online research after seeing similar on rt news. Although no doubt, people will blame this on brexit. I’d rather be a self sufficient nation in another recession, rather than shackled to the already sinking Union
Carryfast:
del trotter:
Yes 'cause Kelvin Mckenzie always tells the truth, just ask anybody in Liverpool, let alone the film maker has a history of being economical with the truth.
You mean just ask anyone in Liverpool whether they’d prefer the country to be ruled by a foreign Socialist dominated EU Federal government than people like Farage. 
You are either being deliberately obtuse or just stupid, what I clearly meant was ask any scouser whether they would trust a word Mckenzie uttered about anything,as he has history having deliberately lied about fans behaviour at Hillsborough whilst editor of The Sun.
del trotter:
Harry Monk:
Cut and pasted from elsewhere obviously, but worth a read…
Stronger in, Apparently NOT !Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army’s new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU ‘regeneration’ grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it’s Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.
Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn’t paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don’t even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.
I haven’t detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don’t even go there.
I haven’t mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.
Find something that’s gone the other way, I’ve looked and I just can’t. If you think the EU is a good idea,
1/ You haven’t read the party manifesto of The European Peoples’ Party.
2/ You haven’t had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down.
3/ You don’t think it matters.
Inaccurate the first time it was posted ages ago and still inaccurate now.
Rather than flatly denying it, could you break down the points and explain the inaccurassies please? We need to know both sides after all
del trotter:
Inaccurate the first time it was posted ages ago and still inaccurate now.
Which part of it do you consider to be inaccurate?
del trotter:
Carryfast:
del trotter:
Yes 'cause Kelvin Mckenzie always tells the truth, just ask anybody in Liverpool, let alone the film maker has a history of being economical with the truth.
You mean just ask anyone in Liverpool whether they’d prefer the country to be ruled by a foreign Socialist dominated EU Federal government than people like Farage.
You are either being deliberately obtuse or just stupid, what I clearly meant was ask any scouser whether they would trust a word Mckenzie uttered about anything,as he has history having deliberately lied about fans behaviour at Hillsborough whilst editor of The Sun.
Cut the bs.Just answer the question,would the majority of the vote in Liverpool and you personally for that matter,prefer to be ruled by the EU Federation.Or our own National government with full sovereignty returned.If the former why ?.I won’t hold my breath waiting for an answer.
Carryfast:
del trotter:
Carryfast:
del trotter:
Yes 'cause Kelvin Mckenzie always tells the truth, just ask anybody in Liverpool, let alone the film maker has a history of being economical with the truth.
You mean just ask anyone in Liverpool whether they’d prefer the country to be ruled by a foreign Socialist dominated EU Federal government than people like Farage.
You are either being deliberately obtuse or just stupid, what I clearly meant was ask any scouser whether they would trust a word Mckenzie uttered about anything,as he has history having deliberately lied about fans behaviour at Hillsborough whilst editor of The Sun.
Cut the bs.Just answer the question,would the majority of the vote in Liverpool and you personally for that matter,prefer to be ruled by the EU Federation.Or our own National government with full sovereignty returned.If the former why ?.I won’t hold my breath waiting for an answer.
BS that The Sun under Mckenzie editorship lied, jeez you are stupid. My comment was why would you trust someone who has a history of being a liar, who has still not apologised, to tell the truth on an issue, is he really the best they could find.
I am not a pollster, I have no idea how the majority will vote in Liverpool, however I doubt any of them would trust a word Mckenzie has to say on the subject.
del trotter:
My comment was why would you trust someone who has a history of being a liar
Like Cameron, Brown, Blair, Major etc etc
del trotter:
BS that The Sun under Mckenzie editorship lied, jeez you are stupid. My comment was why would you trust someone who has a history of being a liar, who has still not apologised, to tell the truth on an issue, is he really the best they could find.
I am not a pollster, I have no idea how the majority will vote in Liverpool, however I doubt any of them would trust a word Mckenzie has to say on the subject.
It isn’t a question of what McKenzie says it’s a question of the credibility of the ‘motivation’ behind your side of the argument in that regard.
On that note just answer the simple clear question so we can then judge that motivation at least in your case.
Harry Monk:
del trotter:
Inaccurate the first time it was posted ages ago and still inaccurate now.
Which part of it do you consider to be inaccurate?
Cadbury built a plant to service the European market, the US parent decided they could not justify a separate plant in the UK.
Peugeot took over Ryton after years of under investment by Chrysler and could not expand the site due to major roads on either side, therefore as their least profitable plant they closed it.
JLR were considering the US, Mexico and Slovakia for the plant they built so they were never going bring these jobs to the UK.
Texas Instruments shut down Greenock as it was the smallest and oldest plant, the work went to Japan, US and Germany, nothing to do with EU grants.
Gilette closed operations in the UK and Germany as the plants were old and energy costs too high.
M&S were importing from the Far East long before the UK joined the common market, the global textile market having moved over there.
Dyson moved to the Far East to reduce manufacturing costs, hence increasing profits allowing him to employ more engineers/designers in the UK.
Businesses move for a number of reasons the major one usually being cost saving, it is far too simplistic and inaccurate to say they moved for EU money
del trotter:
Harry Monk:
del trotter:
Inaccurate the first time it was posted ages ago and still inaccurate now.
Which part of it do you consider to be inaccurate?
Cadbury built a plant to service the European market, the US parent decided they could not justify a separate plant in the UK.
Peugeot took over Ryton after years of under investment by Chrysler and could not expand the site due to major roads on either side, therefore as their least profitable plant they closed it.
JLR were considering the US, Mexico and Slovakia for the plant they built so they were never going bring these jobs to the UK.
Texas Instruments shut down Greenock as it was the smallest and oldest plant, the work went to Japan, US and Germany, nothing to do with EU grants.
Gilette closed operations in the UK and Germany as the plants were old and energy costs too high.
M&S were importing from the Far East long before the UK joined the common market, the global textile market having moved over there.
Even ‘if’ your comments are correct how does any of that prove that EU membership is better for British jobs and UK investment.As opposed to creating an environment which makes investment in our competitors and British jobs for foreign workers more attractive.The Cadbury example saying it all in that regard.IE exactly what made it more attractive for Cadbury to go outside the country for expansion of its activities ?.
As for M+S importing from cheap labour countries before we joined the EEC that’s total bs.I should know bearing in mind my mother worked there as a warehouse stock employee for more than 30 years long before and after we joined the EEC and she’s confirmed that you’re talking bollox.The change being relatively recently and driven more by competitive pressures v other retailers having made that change.Ironically she being a possible undecided but look on the bright side you’ve now just created another definite leave vote. 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N.Corah%26_Sons
Just remember one thing. Even if we vote out we’ll still be ruled by the same reprehensible bunch of self serving scum bags. I doubt life will change much on a day to day basis.
I really do think that some people believe that once we vote Brexit everyone in Britain will be British and employed. NHS waiting times will be measured in seconds not hours and the muslamics will all be sent back to muslamistan.
But yeah, I’m voting out. Just to see what happens 
Most companies moved production to the east as the minimum wages are less than a third of uk nmw. The twinnings factory in Poland was built by the polish government, to create jobs, using eu money. This is just one of our net imports we used to make here. I’d love to see us outside the trade zone, and subject to a 500% import tariff. These companies would be forced to bring manufacturing back. Even the imf are back tracking on doomsday. Just a 1.5% drop predicted now
Terry T:
Just remember one thing. Even if we vote out we’ll still be ruled by the same reprehensible bunch of self serving scum bags.
To be fair it could also be a watershed moment when our MP’s are made more accountable and have no other option than to make the bankers work for the interests of the country.On that note it seems obvious that the credibility of the out campaigning MP’s will be the only realistic possibility in that regard.Having already shown that they are prepared to put country ahead of career. 
Carryfast:
del trotter:
Harry Monk:
del trotter:
Inaccurate the first time it was posted ages ago and still inaccurate now.
Which part of it do you consider to be inaccurate?
Cadbury built a plant to service the European market, the US parent decided they could not justify a separate plant in the UK.
Peugeot took over Ryton after years of under investment by Chrysler and could not expand the site due to major roads on either side, therefore as their least profitable plant they closed it.
JLR were considering the US, Mexico and Slovakia for the plant they built so they were never going bring these jobs to the UK.
Texas Instruments shut down Greenock as it was the smallest and oldest plant, the work went to Japan, US and Germany, nothing to do with EU grants.
Gilette closed operations in the UK and Germany as the plants were old and energy costs too high.
M&S were importing from the Far East long before the UK joined the common market, the global textile market having moved over there.
Even ‘if’ your comments are correct how does any of that prove that EU membership is better for British jobs and UK investment.As opposed to creating an environment which makes investment in our competitors and British jobs for foreign workers more attractive.The Cadbury example saying it all in that regard.IE exactly what made it more attractive for Cadbury to go outside the country for expansion of its activities ?.
How does it prove that being in the EU harms UK jobs? Globalisation is a fact of life, what made it more attractive for Kraft, Cadbury being just a brand in a huge US food company,a higher returns for their shareholders as a result of lower costs, such is the nature of business.
Globalisation works the other way as well, with companies coming to the UK, Siemens for example in Hull.
OVLOV JAY:
The twinnings factory in Poland was built by the polish government, to create jobs, using eu money.
No it wasn’t the EU cancelled the grant.
foodmanufacture.co.uk/Busine … tory-grant
del trotter:
OVLOV JAY:
The twinnings factory in Poland was built by the polish government, to create jobs, using eu money.
No it wasn’t the EU cancelled the grant.
foodmanufacture.co.uk/Busine … tory-grant
Well I’m glad that loop hole got closed. I hadn’t bothered searching it, I just posted what I was told when it was announced, incidentally the last time I loaded an export load out of Andover a few years back
County-wide poll of 1,001 Kent residents carried out for KentOnline shows 57%-43% in favour of Brexit.
kentonline.co.uk/kent/news/k … xit-97358/