desypete:
for me your all a bunch of cowards for going on and getting this stupid cpc in the first place
if only all the drivers would of refused to do it but no, none of you can think further than your nose on this issue
well at least i have hung up my keys now as my 26 years experience of all classes all gear boxes all combinations comes to an end, not one road accident in all my years, just a couple of broken lenses or the odd mirror cracked from reserving accidents over the time is all, so not a bad record and now i can not drive and instead the dummies who can only drive autos and get around the country only with a sat nav take over along with the foreigners
how this job has ended up like it is today i will never know, except of course its the drivers own fault for never having any back bone
if every driver stuck together and refused to work for just 1 week it would change the working conditions for everyone in the transport game. so dont waste your time moaning about the cpc just be good little wagon drivers, and moan under your breath if you must but you could all of changed things every one of you but you choose not to
good luck to you and god knows what you will have to do in futher years just to keep playing the big trucker with a nice auto box etc
What a load of stupid talk. When the likes of you are gone from the industry it will be a better place.
Is everyone supposed to be driving around in twin splitter erfs then instead of utilising the enormous advance in truck manufacture over the years?
My truck now is auto. I didn’t buy the bloody thing, it was handed to me. That don’t mean I can’t drive a manual, it just means I don’t drive one now.
I have a sat nav in the cab. I also have a map, not a paper one, it’s called google and it’s on the phone.
Yesterday I had a delivery that was taking me toward railway tracks and u didn’t know if the bridge was a drive over or under one.
Years ago I would have stopped and asked someone, normally found the post office a good place for directions but yesterday I looked it up on google earth and could read the height sign on the bridge which was 4.25mtrs so on I go.
You still have to drive the bloody things. Move on man, the rest of the world has. I’m thrilled that you suffered all those years driving “real” trucks. But it wasn’t rocket science then either, no more than it is now.
As for the dcpc, judging by some if the things I hear daily, it is needed. It needs a radical change, but it is needed. The day of passing your test and cracking on are gone.
For better or worse I don’t know but they are gone.
Left hand down!:
But why would you want to? Most drivers think that they’re Driving Gods and already know it all so rightly or wrongly won’t want to spend even more brass on something they think is pointless because it’s teaching them stuff they already know. It’s fair to say that the 2x driver hours modules and 3x safe loading modules taught me absolutely nothing that I didn’t already know (actually that’s not quite true as I didn’t know the asterisked lines on a digi print out signified breaks lasting more than 60 minutes, but who cares). I could go and do an FLT course, or ADR course, or SAFED, or first aid, or anything else ‘hands on’ but it is almost certain that I wouldn’t get them for the £300 the classroom modules cost me; it’s more likely to be double that and then some. But, I’ve been doing the job long enough to know how to use a FLT and the places I work at don’t seem to care for a bit of plastic card to say that I’ve been trained and passed a test to drive them. ADR would be of no use to me on the work I do. SAFED is basic common sense for anyone that isn’t a thick [zb] and the first aid course simply doesn’t interest me in the slightest (and please don’t start with the usual heart string tugging bull[zb] about being able to save lives because I honestly don’t care).
I agree if I wanted to be a professionally competent paramedic or flt driver, then I would take said courses, but I am a driver so why is the course not concentrated on achieving Professionally Competent “Driving” with the intention of eradicating all the classic non professional bad driving habits that we see every day. Paired up with an intense driving hours course (instead of telling me how to get out of a cab, lift a box, adjust my seat or wipe my ■■■■■■ arse as this should be put in the common sense section of life and if you really need to be taught this crap it should automatically disqualify you from being allowed out with 44tonnes). Maybe then I would be convinced of the perceived agenda of theDCPC.
desypete:
for me your all a bunch of cowards for going on and getting this stupid cpc in the first place
if only all the drivers would of refused to do it but no, none of you can think further than your nose on this issue
well at least i have hung up my keys now as my 26 years experience of all classes all gear boxes all combinations comes to an end, not one road accident in all my years, just a couple of broken lenses or the odd mirror cracked from reserving accidents over the time is all, so not a bad record and now i can not drive and instead the dummies who can only drive autos and get around the country only with a sat nav take over along with the foreigners
how this job has ended up like it is today i will never know, except of course its the drivers own fault for never having any back bone
if every driver stuck together and refused to work for just 1 week it would change the working conditions for everyone in the transport game. so dont waste your time moaning about the cpc just be good little wagon drivers, and moan under your breath if you must but you could all of changed things every one of you but you choose not to
good luck to you and god knows what you will have to do in futher years just to keep playing the big trucker with a nice auto box etc
What a load of stupid talk. When the likes of you are gone from the industry it will be a better place.
Is everyone supposed to be driving around in twin splitter erfs then instead of utilising the enormous advance in truck manufacture over the years?
My truck now is auto. I didn’t buy the bloody thing, it was handed to me. That don’t mean I can’t drive a manual, it just means I don’t drive one now.
I have a sat nav in the cab. I also have a map, not a paper one, it’s called google and it’s on the phone. Yesterday I had a delivery that was taking me toward railway tracks and u didn’t know if the bridge was a drive over or under one. Years ago I would have stopped and asked someone, normally found the post office a good place for directions but yesterday I looked it up on google earth and could read the height sign on the bridge which was 4.25mtrs so on I go.
You still have to drive the bloody things. Move on man, the rest of the world has. I’m thrilled that you suffered all those years driving “real” trucks. But it wasn’t rocket science then either, no more than it is now.
As for the dcpc, judging by some if the things I hear daily, it is needed. It needs a radical change, but it is needed. The day of passing your test and cracking on are gone.
For better or worse I don’t know but they are gone.
I don’t know if by “google earth” you mean the same thing, but a little tip for you if not and you’re using an Android OS phone - you can look at the google map view and then pinch pull outwards to zoom in then hold your finger on the road where the crossing is and it will put a pin on it with a little pop-up at the bottom of the screen. Click that pop-up and it will show you the street view so you can see if it’s a bridge over or under, the height, etc. It’s absolutely brilliant in my opinion and totally negates the need to even carry satnav, paper maps or anything else.
desypete:
for me your all a bunch of cowards for going on and getting this stupid cpc in the first place
if only all the drivers would of refused to do it but no, none of you can think further than your nose on this issue
well at least i have hung up my keys now as my 26 years experience of all classes all gear boxes all combinations comes to an end, not one road accident in all my years, just a couple of broken lenses or the odd mirror cracked from reserving accidents over the time is all, so not a bad record and now i can not drive and instead the dummies who can only drive autos and get around the country only with a sat nav take over along with the foreigners
how this job has ended up like it is today i will never know, except of course its the drivers own fault for never having any back bone
if every driver stuck together and refused to work for just 1 week it would change the working conditions for everyone in the transport game. so dont waste your time moaning about the cpc just be good little wagon drivers, and moan under your breath if you must but you could all of changed things every one of you but you choose not to
good luck to you and god knows what you will have to do in futher years just to keep playing the big trucker with a nice auto box etc
After 26 years in the job is it really such a surprise to you that drivers in the UK would not stick together.
It sounds as if you are cutting off your nose to spite your face by jacking a career in because you disagree with the DCPC. You could even have obtained it in a back door/brown envelope way if you felt that much against it, I am not condoning that method but least that way you would have appeared to have lost but would be safe in the knowledge that you had “won” by appearing to lose, and at the same time kept hold of your job.
I have made no secret of the fact that I am also not a fan of it, but the fact is that I can not afford to jack it in, and realizing that a lone protest is futile I have had to go along with it.
I know it is purely a money raising exercise which is clearly obvious by the way it is set out, where the only criteria is to turn up for the required amount of hours to listen to a non specific syllabus but all this has been done to death on here, and I now just laugh at people on here like Conor that are totally sold on it to a point of obsession.
As your point about Fuller boxes, I also was brought up on these type of trucks, but would shudder at the thought of going back to them, in the same way that I would not change my modern car for a Ford Cortina. I also used to take the ■■■■ out of drivers with sat have, but now I would not be without it…as a guide only used with a map
So I would say rather than pack it in, bite the bullet and move with the times.
desypete:
for me your all a bunch of cowards for going on and getting this stupid cpc in the first place
if only all the drivers would of refused to do it but no, none of you can think further than your nose on this issue
well at least i have hung up my keys now as my 26 years experience of all classes all gear boxes all combinations comes to an end, not one road accident in all my years, just a couple of broken lenses or the odd mirror cracked from reserving accidents over the time is all, so not a bad record and now i can not drive and instead the dummies who can only drive autos and get around the country only with a sat nav take over along with the foreigners
how this job has ended up like it is today i will never know, except of course its the drivers own fault for never having any back bone
if every driver stuck together and refused to work for just 1 week it would change the working conditions for everyone in the transport game. so dont waste your time moaning about the cpc just be good little wagon drivers, and moan under your breath if you must but you could all of changed things every one of you but you choose not to
good luck to you and god knows what you will have to do in futher years just to keep playing the big trucker with a nice auto box etc
What a load of stupid talk. When the likes of you are gone from the industry it will be a better place.
Is everyone supposed to be driving around in twin splitter erfs then instead of utilising the enormous advance in truck manufacture over the years?
My truck now is auto. I didn’t buy the bloody thing, it was handed to me. That don’t mean I can’t drive a manual, it just means I don’t drive one now.
I have a sat nav in the cab. I also have a map, not a paper one, it’s called google and it’s on the phone. Yesterday I had a delivery that was taking me toward railway tracks and u didn’t know if the bridge was a drive over or under one. Years ago I would have stopped and asked someone, normally found the post office a good place for directions but yesterday I looked it up on google earth and could read the height sign on the bridge which was 4.25mtrs so on I go.
You still have to drive the bloody things. Move on man, the rest of the world has. I’m thrilled that you suffered all those years driving “real” trucks. But it wasn’t rocket science then either, no more than it is now.
As for the dcpc, judging by some if the things I hear daily, it is needed. It needs a radical change, but it is needed. The day of passing your test and cracking on are gone.
For better or worse I don’t know but they are gone.
I don’t know if by “google earth” you mean the same thing, but a little tip for you if not and you’re using an Android OS phone - you can look at the google map view and then pinch pull outwards to zoom in then hold your finger on the road where the crossing is and it will put a pin on it with a little pop-up at the bottom of the screen. Click that pop-up and it will show you the street view so you can see if it’s a bridge over or under, the height, etc. It’s absolutely brilliant in my opinion and totally negates the need to even carry satnav, paper maps or anything else.
Yea that’s what I do. It’s brilliant. If a road looks bad you can put yourself on a tight bend for instance and see just how bad it is before getting the lorry anywhere near it
Then love it away, Herry - to leave the UK alone and better to thrive as a Norway or Switzerland without the clueless, non-representative vomit that the EU pukes over us on this UK site, mate
LIBERTY_GUY:
I wonder how many ‘better’ drivers this whole dcpc has actually created?
Answers on a postcard to…
Now every ‘professional’ driver has a DQC, just watch the HGV related road incidents drop dramatically (not).
Well not having training and supervision has lead to the deaths of many “experienced” long term drivers, you can see the HSE website for many examples of this. But if you say its not needed then i’ll take your word for it over theirs anyday.
Take the training provider I went to (a proper one), they run week long courses with some drivers only attending single days during that course. One driver there was completing his fifth and final 7 hour stint. His employer would only allow him to attend on a Friday so you’ve guessed right, he has done the same module five times, health and well being. Now has his DQC card and is sole claim to fame is he is now an expert on health and well being but nowt else.
None of this whole dcpc will stop the impatient muppets riding two foot from the truck in front, whacking bridges, crushing cyclists, taking out kept left signs and traffic light poles, or shedding their load on busy roundabouts. It is a question of what some drivers are actually ‘professional’ at**?**… Man I so much prefer the term ‘vocational driver’…
" I’ve been doing the job long enough to know how to use a FLT and the places I work at don’t seem to care for a bit of plastic card to say that I’ve been trained and passed a test to drive them. "
lets see how keen they are to see your "plastic card " when you have an accident whilst driving said FLT ?
think it will be a case of cover there own backs first and leave you high and dry you may not want to take the test to qualify but unfortunatly with the current H&S regulations and insurance requirements you have to or your stuffed when things go wrong
Latique:
" I’ve been doing the job long enough to know how to use a FLT and the places I work at don’t seem to care for a bit of plastic card to say that I’ve been trained and passed a test to drive them. "
lets see how keen they are to see your "plastic card " when you have an accident whilst driving said FLT ?
think it will be a case of cover there own backs first and leave you high and dry you may not want to take the test to qualify but unfortunatly with the current H&S regulations and insurance requirements you have to or your stuffed when things go wrong
Well indeed, but you can apply that to virtually everything these days. If you haven’t been “trained” or have some worthless bit of paper then you can indeed find yourself in a sticky situation with the HSE do-gooders. Of course back in the day we never had any of this crap and people used the brains they were born with and made sure to keep out of the way of stuff that could easily kill them, but of course now it’s everyone else’s fault that they are thick [zb]s.
Fortunately the place I do most of my work at still think along the same lines and the questions go “can you drive a FLT?” rather than “have you got a FLT licence?”, which works for me.
Then love it away, Herry - to leave the UK alone and better to thrive as a Norway or Switzerland without the clueless, non-representative vomit that the EU pukes over us on this UK site, mate
Tut tut HK, misquoting again for your own personal agenda.
I think we all know it was a pointless exercise for the vast majority of drivers. You should start to see exactly how useful it was when the usual questions keep popping up on here.
LIBERTY_GUY:
None of this whole dcpc will stop the impatient muppets riding two foot from the truck in front, whacking bridges, crushing cyclists, taking out kept left signs and traffic light poles, or shedding their load on busy roundabouts. It is a question of what some drivers are actually ‘professional’ at**?**… .
That is exactly the point that I was trying to make, instead of learning first aid and the like, undergo a driving assessment and a theory test on potential incidents on the road, the amount of training would depend on the results of these tests. In other words sort out the license holders from the drivers, then concentrate on a driver’s hours course and only then do you have Professionally Competent Drivers, OK a few dickwhits will get through the net but at least they would be in a minority to the real drivers as opposed to the situation lately that would suggest vice versa.
‘…It appears that you love an abusive step-father ‘…Then love it away, Herry…’ etc…’
‘…Tut tut HK, misquoting again for your own personal agenda…’
We’ve all got an ‘agenda’, matey - mine is see through whilst yours appears confused - what with loving the EU but not having much positive to submit, ie you seem to agree with the subject (EU dictated) thread
Happy Keith:
We’ve all got an ‘agenda’, matey - mine is see through whilst yours appears confused - what with loving the EU but not having much positive to submit, ie you seem to agree with the subject (EU dictated) thread
Not quite. If you care to re read you will see that I completely agree with the DCPC, but it has not been well implemented in the UK, and if it was as stringent in the Uk as it is here in France then Uk based drivers really would have something to moan about. As it is, it is as easy as pie to get the card in the UK, but much more difficult here in France.
But of course, you only read what you want to read.
'…Not quite. If you care to re read you will see that I completely agree with the DCPC, but it has not been well implemented in the UK, and if it was as stringent in the Uk as it is here in France then Uk based drivers really would have something to moan about. As it is, it is as easy as pie to get the card in the UK, but much more difficult here in France.
But of course, you only read what you want to read…’
I read, understand and respond that the EU dictated to the UK that a DCPC required 35 hours of vague classroom attendance of vague (or even repetitive!) ‘training’ material and the EU clearly didn’t lead either us as an industry or the UK politically in any way that could ever be described as well done by consecutive pro-EU (and ignorant) Lib/Lab/Green/Con MP’s & ministers.
Not even their multitude of expensive & collective clerks got a half-decent job even half-done: Pathetic, methinks
Whilst accepting that you’re a pro-EU appeaser to such shabbiness & who accepts poor leadership as being acceptable to the point of being a mouthpiece for it - where remains your gripe
‘…Stringency…’ of vagaries not being enforced in the UK by lickspittle Politico’s does not impress me - nor does it being difficult to crack in France - because this isn’t TNF.
Happy Keith:
We’ve all got an ‘agenda’, matey - mine is see through whilst yours appears confused - what with loving the EU but not having much positive to submit, ie you seem to agree with the subject (EU dictated) thread
Not quite. If you care to re read you will see that I completely agree with the DCPC, but it has not been well implemented in the UK, and if it was as stringent in the Uk as it is here in France then Uk based drivers really would have something to moan about. As it is, it is as easy as pie to get the card in the UK, but much more difficult here in France.
But of course, you only read what you want to read.
We have the CAP (DCPC) here in Spain …and what a waste of my Saturdays it was,all the same bull11it as the UK and others I assume!!! 150 euros! for nothing after the 35 hours was given a QA only to be given the right answers by the trainer to get the card
'…Not quite. If you care to re read you will see that I completely agree with the DCPC, but it has not been well implemented in the UK, and if it was as stringent in the Uk as it is here in France then Uk based drivers really would have something to moan about. As it is, it is as easy as pie to get the card in the UK, but much more difficult here in France.
But of course, you only read what you want to read…’
I read, understand and respond that the EU dictated to the UK that a DCPC required 35 hours of vague classroom attendance of vague (or even repetitive!) ‘training’ material and the EU clearly didn’t lead either us as an industry or the UK politically in any way that could ever be described as well done by consecutive pro-EU (and ignorant) Lib/Lab/Green/Con MP’s & ministers.
Not even their multitude of expensive & collective clerks got a half-decent job even half-done: Pathetic, methinks
Whilst accepting that you’re a pro-EU appeaser to such shabbiness & who accepts poor leadership as being acceptable to the point of being a mouthpiece for it - where remains your gripe
‘…Stringency…’ of vagaries not being enforced in the UK by lickspittle Politico’s does not impress me - nor does it being difficult to crack in France - because this isn’t TNF.
It is thus that the DCPC stank and still stinks
And there lies yet another barely intelligible Happy Keith post. I do love his comical ravings.
It’s absolutely brilliant in my opinion and totally negates the need to even carry satnav, paper maps or anything else.
It appears that you love an abusive step-father 
