Q What do UK lorry drivers need to know - in the opinion of a credible Training Needs Analysis?
A No-one really knows - because an objective one was not carried out
It is no wonder that we’re sledging it out on here…
tell you what drivers needs to know
1 drivers hours and regs
2 how to load and secure all the different types of loads out there, like steel loads and using chains etc
3 in this modern world a guide and all the different things cabs can do these days wouldnt go a miss like how the hell do you use the computers on the dam things ? i dont have a clue and never touch them lol so i really wouldnt mind someone spending time to show me all the new things in the cabs as i turn up get given the keys and off i go in all sorts of cabs that i can drive but dont have a clue what all the buttons do
i am sure things along this type of area would be far better for drivers to learn things than sitting there doing nothing but drivers hours and then whats next ? how to get into a cab ? how to ■■■■ in safty inside the cab ?
switchlogic:
I’m not asking for much wanting value for money training where I feel I’ve learnt something, instead of throwing money into a black hole of boredom.
But the point is, you chose the two days that you thought were a black hole of boredom, compared with the three days of ADR and First Aid that you thought were interesting. In future you will not make the same mistake.
You are missing the whole point. The two days could be interesting and informative, but they weren’t. What do you suggest? Do another two days of ADR for fun?
desypete:
for me your all a bunch of cowards for going on and getting this stupid cpc in the first place
if only all the drivers would of refused to do it but no, none of you can think further than your nose on this issue
well at least i have hung up my keys now as my 26 years experience of all classes all gear boxes all combinations comes to an end, not one road accident in all my years, just a couple of broken lenses or the odd mirror cracked from reserving accidents over the time is all, so not a bad record and now i can not drive and instead the dummies who can only drive autos and get around the country only with a sat nav take over along with the foreigners
how this job has ended up like it is today i will never know, except of course its the drivers own fault for never having any back bone
if every driver stuck together and refused to work for just 1 week it would change the working conditions for everyone in the transport game. so dont waste your time moaning about the cpc just be good little wagon drivers, and moan under your breath if you must but you could all of changed things every one of you but you choose not to
good luck to you and god knows what you will have to do in futher years just to keep playing the big trucker with a nice auto box etc
desypete:
well at least i have hung up my keys now as my 26 years experience of all classes all gear boxes all combinations comes to an end, not one road accident in all my years, just a couple of broken lenses or the odd mirror cracked from reserving accidents over the time is all, so not a bad record and now i can not drive and instead the dummies who can only drive autos and get around the country only with a sat nav take over along with the foreigners
desypete:
in this modern world a guide and all the different things cabs can do these days wouldnt go a miss like how the hell do you use the computers on the dam things ? i dont have a clue and never touch them lol so i really wouldnt mind someone spending time to show me all the new things in the cabs as i turn up get given the keys and off i go in all sorts of cabs that i can drive but dont have a clue what all the buttons do
Wait… So here you are blaming all these “dummies” that can “only drive autos” and such like, yet in your next post you admit that you “dont have a clue” on at least 2 separate issues on how to drive a modern truck and thus “never touch them”. Sounds to me like you fit squarely in the “dummies” camp and it’s a relief for us all that you’re now off the road for good.
switchlogic:
You are missing the whole point. The two days could be interesting and informative, but they weren’t. What do you suggest? Do another two days of ADR for fun?
No, you are missing the point. Ask around, on here maybe, and find some other courses that are interesting and informative, afterall you have nearly another 5 years to investigate. There must be some good trainers out there, certainly from reading some posts of the many threads on here (admittedly, there is clearly a lot of chaff as well).
switchlogic:
I’m not asking for much wanting value for money training where I feel I’ve learnt something, instead of throwing money into a black hole of boredom.
But the point is, you chose the two days that you thought were a black hole of boredom, compared with the three days of ADR and First Aid that you thought were interesting. In future you will not make the same mistake.
You are missing the whole point. The two days could be interesting and informative, but they weren’t. What do you suggest? Do another two days of ADR for fun?
To be perfectly honest Luke, I wouldn’t bother arguing with half these muppets on here! There’s always gona be one prick that’ll swear black is bloody white! Some people just get off on arguing the toss about BS.
I bet if you started a thread on how you were giving away a months wages to the first person to reply, they’d still argue and disagree with it!
I think most of us agree that the CPC is total ■■■■■■
desypete:
well at least i have hung up my keys now as my 26 years experience of all classes all gear boxes all combinations comes to an end, not one road accident in all my years, just a couple of broken lenses or the odd mirror cracked from reserving accidents over the time is all, so not a bad record and now i can not drive and instead the dummies who can only drive autos and get around the country only with a sat nav take over along with the foreigners
desypete:
in this modern world a guide and all the different things cabs can do these days wouldnt go a miss like how the hell do you use the computers on the dam things ? i dont have a clue and never touch them lol so i really wouldnt mind someone spending time to show me all the new things in the cabs as i turn up get given the keys and off i go in all sorts of cabs that i can drive but dont have a clue what all the buttons do
Wait… So here you are blaming all these “dummies” that can “only drive autos” and such like, yet in your next post you admit that you “dont have a clue” on at least 2 separate issues on how to drive a modern truck and thus “never touch them”. Sounds to me like you fit squarely in the “dummies” camp and it’s a relief for us all that you’re now off the road for good.
were did i say i never touch the modern trucks ? i was on about of course the on board computers that i dont touch, why would i need to touch them ? will it make me drive better ?
you stick to playing a truck driver my friend and imagine what it must of been like for us guys who did all the hard stuff years ago, no night heaters, changing gears all day long, no sat navs so you had to really learn how to get around areas without an aid other than a map or if your lucky an a - z
we used to stop at the first garage we would find in the area to get directions etc
nowadays the professional drivers refuse to take loads unless they have been shown the routes there going to take scared of low bridges etc, i have never heard the like in transport unless i didnt see it with my own eyes at a company i worked at
the sad thing is the guys today can not pass a test that involves anything with gears let alone eaton twins etc they have had to make the test real easy for the morons of the auto world : ) no offence : )
switchlogic:
I’m not asking for much wanting value for money training where I feel I’ve learnt something, instead of throwing money into a black hole of boredom.
But the point is, you chose the two days that you thought were a black hole of boredom, compared with the three days of ADR and First Aid that you thought were interesting. In future you will not make the same mistake.
You are missing the whole point. The two days could be interesting and informative, but they weren’t. What do you suggest? Do another two days of ADR for fun?
To be perfectly honest Luke, I wouldn’t bother arguing with half these muppets on here! There’s always gona be one prick that’ll swear black is bloody white! Some people just get off on arguing the toss about BS. I bet if you started a thread on how you were giving away a months wages to the first person to reply, they’d still argue and disagree with it!
I think most of us agree that the CPC is total [zb]!
No they’d say ‘pfft, wouldnt get out of bed for that, you can keep it, I earn a grand a week’
switchlogic:
You are missing the whole point. The two days could be interesting and informative, but they weren’t. What do you suggest? Do another two days of ADR for fun?
No, you are missing the point. Ask around, on here maybe, and find some other courses that are interesting and informative, afterall you have nearly another 5 years to investigate. There must be some good trainers out there, certainly from reading some posts of the many threads on here (admittedly, there is clearly a lot of chaff as well).
To be fair I do sort of know the point of my own thread. Which was that this current system is deeply flawed and the standard of tuition is shockingly hit and miss
switchlogic:
You are missing the whole point. The two days could be interesting and informative, but they weren’t. What do you suggest? Do another two days of ADR for fun?
No, you are missing the point. Ask around, on here maybe, and find some other courses that are interesting and informative, afterall you have nearly another 5 years to investigate. There must be some good trainers out there, certainly from reading some posts of the many threads on here (admittedly, there is clearly a lot of chaff as well).
But why would you want to? Most drivers think that they’re Driving Gods and already know it all so rightly or wrongly won’t want to spend even more brass on something they think is pointless because it’s teaching them stuff they already know. It’s fair to say that the 2x driver hours modules and 3x safe loading modules taught me absolutely nothing that I didn’t already know (actually that’s not quite true as I didn’t know the asterisked lines on a digi print out signified breaks lasting more than 60 minutes, but who cares). I could go and do an FLT course, or ADR course, or SAFED, or first aid, or anything else ‘hands on’ but it is almost certain that I wouldn’t get them for the £300 the classroom modules cost me; it’s more likely to be double that and then some. But, I’ve been doing the job long enough to know how to use a FLT and the places I work at don’t seem to care for a bit of plastic card to say that I’ve been trained and passed a test to drive them. ADR would be of no use to me on the work I do. SAFED is basic common sense for anyone that isn’t a thick ■■■■ and the first aid course simply doesn’t interest me in the slightest (and please don’t start with the usual heart string tugging bull[zb] about being able to save lives because I honestly don’t care).
desypete:
well at least i have hung up my keys now as my 26 years experience of all classes all gear boxes all combinations comes to an end, not one road accident in all my years, just a couple of broken lenses or the odd mirror cracked from reserving accidents over the time is all, so not a bad record and now i can not drive and instead the dummies who can only drive autos and get around the country only with a sat nav take over along with the foreigners
desypete:
in this modern world a guide and all the different things cabs can do these days wouldnt go a miss like how the hell do you use the computers on the dam things ? i dont have a clue and never touch them lol so i really wouldnt mind someone spending time to show me all the new things in the cabs as i turn up get given the keys and off i go in all sorts of cabs that i can drive but dont have a clue what all the buttons do
Wait… So here you are blaming all these “dummies” that can “only drive autos” and such like, yet in your next post you admit that you “dont have a clue” on at least 2 separate issues on how to drive a modern truck and thus “never touch them”. Sounds to me like you fit squarely in the “dummies” camp and it’s a relief for us all that you’re now off the road for good.
were did i say i never touch the modern trucks ? i was on about of course the on board computers that i dont touch, why would i need to touch them ? will it make me drive better ?
you stick to playing a truck driver my friend and imagine what it must of been like for us guys who did all the hard stuff years ago, no night heaters, changing gears all day long, no sat navs so you had to really learn how to get around areas without an aid other than a map or if your lucky an a - z we used to stop at the first garage we would find in the area to get directions etc
nowadays the professional drivers refuse to take loads unless they have been shown the routes there going to take scared of low bridges etc, i have never heard the like in transport unless i didnt see it with my own eyes at a company i worked at
the sad thing is the guys today can not pass a test that involves anything with gears let alone eaton twins etc they have had to make the test real easy for the morons of the auto world : ) no offence : )
You’re teaching your granny to ■■■■ eggs my friend…
Sorry Desy. but the person in the wrong here is you, Life doesn’t stand still , progress goes on for good or bad, todays transport industry is very different to the one I joined at the age of 20,(32 years ago) but even then the old boys were complaining that the “new methods” would be the end of the industry… the young guns today don’t have the challenges we had true, and I agree that to be a driver then took an large amount of independent thinking- but the industry today isn’t that fragmented, out of contact work place we knew. Time and innovation has made it far more streamlined, efficient and hopefully profitable, yes to the detriment of the “Driver freedom of choice” but that my mate is what they call progress. there is no doubt that trucks have a far higher utalisation than they have ever had before. The transport industry has tried to keep up with times and a match what other industries have done- they have all moved on, if you cant adapt , however unpleasant the changes are then you are the dinosaur, because trust me like all our forebears have learnt- the industry will change with you or without you
switchlogic:
To be fair I do sort of know the point of my own thread. Which was that this current system is deeply flawed and the standard of tuition is shockingly hit and miss
Which going by the majority of the comments on here, I can only agree with (me having no experience of it from a UK point of view).
I go back though to my point that be careful what you wish for, because if it ended up like here in France, that really would give people something to moan about
I passed my class 2 in 2006, in a manual truck. I then spent the next 7 years driving manual trucks, reading maps, following my nose…
I guess now my new truck I got last week has an auto box, I’m no longer a real truck driver, and now I have a sat nav to give me up to date Information on traffic, I can no longer read a map.
You wouldn’t last a day doing my job, so please don’t spit your dummy out because you are too old to keep up with the times… Plenty of other old boys manage, so it’s just you I’m afraid.
desypete:
Left hand down!:
desypete:
well at least i have hung up my keys now as my 26 years experience of all classes all gear boxes all combinations comes to an end, not one road accident in all my years, just a couple of broken lenses or the odd mirror cracked from reserving accidents over the time is all, so not a bad record and now i can not drive and instead the dummies who can only drive autos and get around the country only with a sat nav take over along with the foreigners
desypete:
in this modern world a guide and all the different things cabs can do these days wouldnt go a miss like how the hell do you use the computers on the dam things ? i dont have a clue and never touch them lol so i really wouldnt mind someone spending time to show me all the new things in the cabs as i turn up get given the keys and off i go in all sorts of cabs that i can drive but dont have a clue what all the buttons do
Wait… So here you are blaming all these “dummies” that can “only drive autos” and such like, yet in your next post you admit that you “dont have a clue” on at least 2 separate issues on how to drive a modern truck and thus “never touch them”. Sounds to me like you fit squarely in the “dummies” camp and it’s a relief for us all that you’re now off the road for good.
were did i say i never touch the modern trucks ? i was on about of course the on board computers that i dont touch, why would i need to touch them ? will it make me drive better ?
you stick to playing a truck driver my friend and imagine what it must of been like for us guys who did all the hard stuff years ago, no night heaters, changing gears all day long, no sat navs so you had to really learn how to get around areas without an aid other than a map or if your lucky an a - z
we used to stop at the first garage we would find in the area to get directions etc
nowadays the professional drivers refuse to take loads unless they have been shown the routes there going to take scared of low bridges etc, i have never heard the like in transport unless i didnt see it with my own eyes at a company i worked at
the sad thing is the guys today can not pass a test that involves anything with gears let alone eaton twins etc they have had to make the test real easy for the morons of the auto world : ) no offence : )
Mike-C:
Interesting video Luke. Can i ask you one question ?
Have you had any training provided to you by your current employer, and how long have you worked for them ?
(ok, that was two !!)
Yes. They always pay for my ADR and the refresher was due this year so with a first aid course that was three days DCPC I didn’t have to pay for. I paid for the additional two days. They don’t pay for DCPC courses, which seems fairly normal in Ireland alas. I’ve been with them 7 years now.
Ah, ok. I just picked up on when you said you paid for it yourself. Well at least your employers are providing some of it, which is a good thing. You’re both investing into it. It absolutley amazes me that some employers are getting away with providing no training what so ever, and now come DCPC time and realising something has to be done the amount of them that has provided it and tried to tie drivers into some sort of repayment scheme (if they leave) is unreal.
I realise some people will be of the view…“well its not your employers licence, so why should he pay”, and thats fair enough. But it still doesn’t negate employers from providing training. And for quite a few, the only training any drivers are getting is something virtually on credit to them if they choose to leave employment.
Why doesn’t Desypete get himself a qualification as a DCPC Trainer? After all it can’t be that hard can it? Then we could all benefit from his million years of experience
LIBERTY_GUY:
I wonder how many ‘better’ drivers this whole dcpc has actually created?
Answers on a postcard to…
Now every ‘professional’ driver has a DQC, just watch the HGV related road incidents drop dramatically (not).
Well not having training and supervision has lead to the deaths of many “experienced” long term drivers, you can see the HSE website for many examples of this. But if you say its not needed then i’ll take your word for it over theirs anyday.
