At our place once upon a time a minority of drivers would take the pee stopping in laybys for a snooze, stringing the job out to get the hours in the bank for the end of the period and a nice payout. One day one of these drivers was on overtime two drops, eight hour run. Stopped for long enough that he arrived an hour late for his second drop, then told the customer what he’d been doing, rather than having the sense to lie. Customer hits wall, tells his boss, who tells his boss which leads to ramifications at the most senior levels. Now the customer has the perception that we are taking the mick all the time, we have to report on why any routes are late, to the point of you are questioned if you spend too long stopping for a ■■■■■. They are also understandably reluctant to pay out overtime because of the cost so if you have a few long days you used to console yourself with the thought of getting a bit of extra coin. No more, if you bank some hours you either get given a mickey mouse run or come in to be spare for four hours. Same old story of a couple of greedy stupid ■■■■■ spoiling the whole thing for everyone. Drivers, own worst enemy. And who will be the first to complain when contract renewal comes round and we end up being TUPED to Stobart?
paul@midway:
@ Dave tbh I dont care about your run or how long or short it is. I’m not the type that cares about what other people are doing or where they are going. I dont care if they do a job quicker than me or hours longer than me. Its not my job to give a [zb] what anyone else doing. So I dont.Sometimes I think the older drivers at any company have got nothing else better to do than moan about almost everything. I swear some of them would moan at themselves in a mirror.
I would be very careful who some of them moan at mind,an older driver at a place I worked at years ago was suspended and sacked over bullying. Why? Because he never stopped giving some people a hard time over run times and they reported him.Get over what other people are doing and concern yourself with your own work.
OK paul@midway, It would have been difficult to illustrate how I’ve ‘carved my current job up’ without explaining the run that I do now wouldn’t it 
Mind you the competition wasn’t up too much 
Not sure what you mean with this statement 'Get over what other people are doing and concern yourself with your own work.
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though 
I responded to a post on a thread in a public forum which I am entitled to do but it does appear that you, along with a couple of others, have made massive assumptions about me, the way I work and my personality and can only respond with personal insults.
So once again trying to get people to discuss or debate a particular subject falls on deaf ears.
Regards
Dave Penn;
davepenn54:
paul@midway:
@ Dave tbh I dont care about your run or how long or short it is. I’m not the type that cares about what other people are doing or where they are going. I dont care if they do a job quicker than me or hours longer than me. Its not my job to give a [zb] what anyone else doing. So I dont.Sometimes I think the older drivers at any company have got nothing else better to do than moan about almost everything. I swear some of them would moan at themselves in a mirror.
I would be very careful who some of them moan at mind,an older driver at a place I worked at years ago was suspended and sacked over bullying. Why? Because he never stopped giving some people a hard time over run times and they reported him.Get over what other people are doing and concern yourself with your own work.
OK paul@midway, It would have been difficult to illustrate how I’ve ‘carved my current job up’ without explaining the run that I do now wouldn’t it
Not sure what you mean with this statement 'Get over what other people are doing and concern yourself with your own work.
though
I responded to a post on a thread in a public forum which I am entitled to do but it does appear that you, along with a couple of others, have made massive assumptions about me, the way I work and my personality and can only respond with personal insults.
So once again trying to get people to discuss or debate a particular subject falls on deaf ears.
Regards
Dave Penn;
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Could it be that some people don’t particularly want to get into a mass debate with you, d’ya think?
@Dave I don’t get why bringing your run into this thread would be relevant after it ended up being a laughing stock of the “old” hands attempting to do what they normally do - telling other drivers how they should work. Yep well the “old” hands can do that when they are the TM can’t they not when they are just another bod.Not going to happen though is it.
I,m not making assumptions I,m replying from with what information there is , there was a few singing in this thread and you and a couple of others were singing the loudest trying ask the guy to justify himself …
Thats were"get over what people are doing and concern yourself with your own work comes from"
It,s not personal insults it’s observation people have made , personal insults are what you were getting upto earlier in this thread , granted you weren’t the only one .
Why would anyone want to get into a debate with someone that came across as patronising and petty more than once ?
paul@midway:
@Dave I don’t get why bringing your run into this thread would be relevant after it ended up being a laughing stock of the “old” hands attempting to do what they normally do - telling other drivers how they should work. Yep well the “old” hands can do that when they are the TM can’t they not when they are just another bod.Not going to happen though is it.I,m not making assumptions I,m replying from with what information there is , there was a few singing in this thread and you and a couple of others were singing the loudest trying ask the guy to justify himself …
Thats were"get over what people are doing and concern yourself with your own work comes from"It,s not personal insults it’s observation people have made , personal insults are what you were getting upto earlier in this thread , granted you weren’t the only one .
Why would anyone want to get into a debate with someone that came across as patronising and petty more than once ?
Does that mean you don’t want to talk to me no more 
Oh well there we go 
thats me put in my place Yeh right
What is it you young un’s say ‘Am I bovvered’
Catch you later, much much later
Regards
Dave Penn;
What was that you said about assumptions and you are doing it with me! lol
No one is putting you in your place, you asked for answers you got them. You aren’t the worst offender in this thread but you were very vocal and you and others really should remember that you are in no position to tell anyone what to do or question them. Being told to ■■■■■■■■ often offends lol.
paul@midway
What is it with you fella
A failed policeman or something
I’m not an ‘offender’ and even if I was WTF has it got to do with you
I’ve been restrained in all my responses to you but think you have really gone too far now
I give you fair warning that I will definetly be reporting you to the internet watchdog for being too far up yerself
If yer get my drift
‘It’s an internet forum not real life’ as someone on this thread recently said
Regards
Dave Penn;
Why the hell have the rest of us go to put up with all the posturing and beating of chests FFS? Its an internet forum, not friday night down the local!! Everyone (even me…!) is entitled to their own opinion, and fair and reasonable debate is always informative and usually entertaining.
It beats me why the handbag waving has to start. If you don’t like what someone says, surely its relatively straightforward to put up a reasoned argument? If not, its even easier to ignore the comment that riles you and move on…
Yeah, I know! Someone will say ‘Don’t read it if it bothers you that much’. My answer is it only bothers me because a few (couple?) of grown men are having an argument, which is absolutely fine, but now it appears to be getting personal and out of hand.
There is no need, one of you should just give up and it will all blow over very quickly!
Lets be friends, girls. Life is too short… 
Tyler …your not a proper driver matey…not because you dont want to park up, not because you do the job properly…but the way you slag off other drivers, the way you talk about being in a tin can, being home with your loved ones…your in the wrong industry mate…transport is not a 9 to 5…its not an industry where you can decide when your gonna be home…its an industry that dictates to you…your the sort of fella who tells his missus …ill be home at such and such a time. and your missus makes sure that your dinner is ready, in this industry you are not finished till you turn the key in the front door.
My wife and my family grew up without me, learnt to be independant, cos that was the industry i was in, many times i got back to the depot, only to be sent out again…but i enjoyed every minute…i dont think you do…its not a personal rant at you…its just the truth as i see it.
Yeh but ‘Piston broke’ one of us has to have the last word
Its the way of the world
Regards
Dave Penn;
tyler4164:
44 Tonne Ton:
Have a Plymouth and a Bournemouth to go with those other drops…you ain’t doing enough!Bring it on…like ive said my last run was harder but i got on with it & got it done & work the same no matter how many drops ive got. You lot dont get it do you. I do less then 48hrs but get paid for 48, dont work holidays, get 5 weeks annual hol plus bank hols, anything over 48hrs paid at time & a half. Only have to work mon-fri with no wkend work or nights out. I wouldnt want to have to work mega hours to earn a living…ill leave that to all you much more professional drivers. Oh & im paid my breaks so i do actually get authorised by my boss to sit on my arse & get paid
Oh by the way they have given the other driver an even easier run, said he would drag it out to get atleast 10hrs a day but hasnt been able to do it. Only been able to make around 39hrs a week but still getting paid 48hrs. I could be moaning bout that but i aint. The company doesnt want us doing more then 48hrs to cut down on overtime costs. I suppose i should of pointed this out at the start but hey ho.
Ok, I’m still working my way through this marathon of a thread, so forgive me if I’ve missed something…
BUT, you’re telling me that this guy WANTS to do an extra 11hrs per week to earn an extra 2hrs money?
(10hrs per day = 50 per week - 48 hrs per week guarenteed = 2hrs per week)■■?
You are correct, he sounds like a ■■■■
Oh God!!
No more, please!!
Just for you Dave
truckyboy:
Tyler …your not a proper driver matey…not because you dont want to park up, not because you do the job properly…but the way you slag off other drivers, the way you talk about being in a tin can, being home with your loved ones…your in the wrong industry mate…transport is not a 9 to 5…its not an industry where you can decide when your gonna be home…its an industry that dictates to you…your the sort of fella who tells his missus …ill be home at such and such a time. and your missus makes sure that your dinner is ready, in this industry you are not finished till you turn the key in the front door.
My wife and my family grew up without me, learnt to be independant, cos that was the industry i was in, many times i got back to the depot, only to be sent out again…but i enjoyed every minute…i dont think you do…its not a personal rant at you…its just the truth as i see it.
You talk total rubbish mate, what your saying is you can only be a proper trucker if you sleep out in the truck??
I wasnt slagging other drivers off its their choice its just i wouldnt wanna sleep in a metal box but it doesnt mean i dont love driving. I didnt say it was a 9-5 job, mines a 4.45am - 14.30 ish job. Most of the time on my run i can ring the other half & say when i’ll be home & yes i do get dinner made & whats wrong with that??
My family is my life & i wouldnt want them to get used to me not being there as life is too short. Family always comes first with me with work second & im proud to say that & if that means im not a proper driver then thats fine I’ll leave the proper driving to all you proper drivers.
Your saying any truck driver who does days & has a rough idea when they will be finished is not a proper trucker. So all the supermarket drivers etc are not proper drivers then.■■? I think some people may disagree with that?? You can be a proper driver as you put it & still enjoy your home life.
truckyboy:
Tyler …your not a proper driver matey…not because you dont want to park up, not because you do the job properly…but the way you slag off other drivers, the way you talk about being in a tin can, being home with your loved ones…your in the wrong industry mate…transport is not a 9 to 5…its not an industry where you can decide when your gonna be home…its an industry that dictates to you…your the sort of fella who tells his missus …ill be home at such and such a time. and your missus makes sure that your dinner is ready, in this industry you are not finished till you turn the key in the front door.
My wife and my family grew up without me, learnt to be independant, cos that was the industry i was in, many times i got back to the depot, only to be sent out again…but i enjoyed every minute…i dont think you do…its not a personal rant at you…its just the truth as i see it.
Well ‘truckyboy’ I know you are an old hand in this game, and an older hand than me,
It does seem that some of our newer driver colleagues have not come into the ‘game’ for the fun of it or for the way the industry allows you to work unsupervised but just see it as a job, like shelf stacking, whereas some of us see it as a way of life or maybe a lifestyle. But because we see it that way and have family that understand that, we are somehow in the wrong
The transport industry has been good to me and my family know and understand that when I go out of the door at the beginning of the week I might not be home for the rest of the week but that’s the way it is because I’m a lorry driver and that is exactly what the job demands from you.
Thanks for contributing to this thread ‘truckyboy’ lets just see if you get as much abuse as I have received for stating the obvious
All the best
Regards
Dave Penn;
How many people can you enter onto the ignore list? Is there a limit
tyler4164:
truckyboy:
Tyler …your not a proper driver matey…not because you dont want to park up, not because you do the job properly…but the way you slag off other drivers, the way you talk about being in a tin can, being home with your loved ones…your in the wrong industry mate…transport is not a 9 to 5…its not an industry where you can decide when your gonna be home…its an industry that dictates to you…your the sort of fella who tells his missus …ill be home at such and such a time. and your missus makes sure that your dinner is ready, in this industry you are not finished till you turn the key in the front door.
My wife and my family grew up without me, learnt to be independant, cos that was the industry i was in, many times i got back to the depot, only to be sent out again…but i enjoyed every minute…i dont think you do…its not a personal rant at you…its just the truth as i see it.You talk total rubbish mate, what your saying is you can only be a proper trucker if you sleep out in the truck??
I wasnt slagging other drivers off its their choice its just i wouldnt wanna sleep in a metal box but it doesnt mean i dont love driving. I didnt say it was a 9-5 job, mines a 4.45am - 14.30 ish job. Most of the time on my run i can ring the other half & say when i’ll be home & yes i do get dinner made & whats wrong with that??
My family is my life & i wouldnt want them to get used to me not being there as life is too short. Family always comes first with me with work second & im proud to say that & if that means im not a proper driver then thats fine I’ll leave the proper driving to all you proper drivers.Your saying any truck driver who does days & has a rough idea when they will be finished is not a proper trucker. So all the supermarket drivers etc are not proper drivers then.■■? I think some people may disagree with that?? You can be a proper driver as you put it & still enjoy your home life.
So ‘tyler4164’ you don’t half bite easily
Think you and your internet supporters need to find another income stream
Also as I’ve been saying right from the beginning of this thread I’ve carved the job up at my company so I can get the cushiest run with the easiest life but it does mean I have to be away from home a couple or three nights a week.
Just like you carved the job up at your place Its not a sin we all do it
It took ages to get to this, I was not disageeing with you, we all do it
Just don’t slag the other driver off.
Please keep the abusive responses to a minimum.
regards#
Dave Penn;
truckyboy:
Tyler …your not a proper driver matey…not because you dont want to park up, not because you do the job properly…but the way you slag off other drivers, the way you talk about being in a tin can, being home with your loved ones…your in the wrong industry mate…transport is not a 9 to 5…its not an industry where you can decide when your gonna be home…its an industry that dictates to you…your the sort of fella who tells his missus …ill be home at such and such a time. and your missus makes sure that your dinner is ready, in this industry you are not finished till you turn the key in the front door.
My wife and my family grew up without me, learnt to be independant, cos that was the industry i was in, many times i got back to the depot, only to be sent out again…but i enjoyed every minute…i dont think you do…its not a personal rant at you…its just the truth as i see it.
wrong on so many levels fella.
and dave it’s you that needs to reread the start of this, see if you’re happy on how you’ve come across? tyler may of bit, but it took some time and plenty of what you’ll have perceived to be clever comments. reread it, i have and it looks like it’s you that hasn’t read posts properly. on a side note, i’m 2 years younger than tyler at 32 and class myself as very experienced!
pavaroti was first in the silly comments, as well as needing to reread tylers 1st post as he’s made himself look stupid.
44 tonne ton doesn’t fair too good either, telling someone they’re “talking bollox though” after plotting a route with only city / town names, you don’t need a lot of experience to know that these can be big places, sure it gives you a rough idea but its far from accurate. nowhere near accurate enough for me to tell someone who’s done it they’re talking bollox. then lists how he works, which is ironically similar to how tyler works, you know carving the job up as some call it!! you couldn’t make it up!! but he still stands by his comments, why■■?
come to think of it, dave has also mentioned how on occasion he’s doing the work of 2 men as they wouldn’t do a n/o, works hard and doesn’t string it out (wouldn’t you love to be a fly on the wall when they’re on their cushy double manned run going on about dave carving the job up!!) fricking genius!!
dle1uk:
well i worked for a multi drop firm, regular runs same run every week, everyone was happy drivers customers ect, then a new guy started thought he was the bees knees and started getting back to the yard early, managers noticed this and asked why?? dunno the answer but he was then put on all the other runs over a period of time, result? unhappy workforce unhappy customers…i,m not in favour of dragging the job out but then i also want an easy time, i dont want to feel pressured into hitting targets ect, so i will take my time, have a cuppa when offered,
if you cut a run time by x amount of hours managment will expect it to be reduced again, and if you are unfortunate enough to have a ■■■■ poor planer…
if you get grief, tell them i’m not interested in how fast fast johny does the run, or wether he’s flat out an tipping on breaks etc, that’s up to him. if you’re doing nowt wrong stand up for yourself - this is how long it takes.
stevie
stevie
Oh well, at least someone got it, but did it really take 5 pages
I don’t on occasion do the work of 2 men, I do it regular, and that was my point
We all carve the job up to suit our own needs The only thing with my run was the competition was ■■■■ poor and they still send 2 men out to do the same work. Only thing is it is because of ‘cultural differences’ all my driving colleagues need to pray 5 times a day and do not know how to look after themselves when away from home
If the company I work for want to stay in business then they need to employ at least one driver who doesn’t cost them the same as two drivers for doing the same amount of work. Now that is simple mathematics and any transport company would see that as a win-win situation
So I have shown them how the job should be done ’ I ■■■■■■■ carved it up’ for my own ends
Regards
Dave Penn;
stevieboy 308 wrote
44 tonne ton doesn’t fair too good either, telling someone they’re “talking bollox though” after plotting a route with only city / town names, you don’t need a lot of experience to know that these can be big places, sure it gives you a rough idea but its far from accurate. nowhere near accurate enough for me to tell someone who’s done it they’re talking bollox. then lists how he works, which is ironically similar to how tyler works, you know carving the job up as some call it!! you couldn’t make it up!! but he still stands by his comments, why■■?
You’re not very bright are you so let me illuminate things for you! My post about how I do the job was implying there were corners being cut by Tyler to get the work done on that time. Such as not carrying out proper walk round checks, exceeding speed limits, not booking off vehicle for defects as it might hold him up, working through breaks etc. All so he can get back inside his guaranteed 48 hours and feel he has nicked something from the job. I’m working for a company at the moment who do multi-drop work like Tylers. I’m shunting at night and loading the vehicles. Almost every one looks like it’s come back from a war zone and a substantial minority have unreported defects. Why? Because they’re tear arsing about so they can get finished inside their guaranteed hours! In my opinion,and I’ve been a driver for 27 years, there’s no doubt in my mind that Tyler is being economical with the truth. And just to add a little weight to my argument, when I was younger, I was Tyler!
As for your comment about me carving up the job you need to explain that one to me?