Bacon Sandwich:
Denis F:
Bacon Sandwich:
According to the DCPC trainer I had yesterday (TM BTW) that the WTD says you have to have 20 minutes break within the first 6 hours of your shift.
We all said, Bollicks! It’s 15 and everyone knows that.
He said that we had been told wrong.
However, this was told to us at 1530 and I had pretty much switched off at 0930 so I didn’t really care!
I got told that too ! Were we on the same course ?
I did notice some scruffy looking get in a black polo shirt, was that you?
If it had the words “denis f” on it, yes !
BillyHunt:
‘…Have you started yours then HK? Man I would love to be in one of those sessions…’
Crikey - a compliment, how nice 
: I’ve three ‘modules’ down & two to go over the next month or so 
I can’t wait …Zzzzz 
Meanwhile, I’m not sure whether these (randomly selected) posts are on target:
viking7000:
‘…Well I think the trainer should, at the very least have an HGV Licence, experience in the industry and a teaching qualification. If they have not then ask for your money back…’
viking7000:
‘… To me a trainer needs to have some kind of credibility to even begin getting peoples respect and attention…’
My point is that neither Brussels nor their Westminster Lib/Lab/Green/Con puppets know or even care that a ‘Training Needs Analysis’ specific to UK Transport industry needs has been neglected
So why should they care about who spews what and in what quantity at us - as long as Brussels is happy, eg., who in the UK - either within or outside our industry calculated or even questioned 35 hrs of tedious grief as being appropriate FFS?
Our subordinate role is simply to leap through the EU’s undemocratically mandated diktats or be nationally and/or individually punished
Of course, if I’m wrong I’d be pleased to learn some detail to shut meself up
I think you’ll find that a decade or more ago the DfT did a consultation on the introduction of periodic training for professional drivers.
It’s not unusual for other trades (building, nursing etc) to have periodic training.
Present criticism of the current DCPC, especially the training of those with acquired rights, seems to be that the Govt was not nearly prescriptive enough… the syllabus is too wide, there is nothing to stop identical courses being repeated, there is no exam pass/fail etc.
But, can you imagine the outcry if the DCPC was like the operator CPC; with a set syllabus, written exams and a pass/fail at the end that would see your entitlement to drive commercially ended if you failed?
The people complaining loudest about it now are those who, even as little as a year ago, were telling us it would never happen…even though it had been happening for the previous five years.
GasGas:
… But, can you imagine the outcry if the DCPC was like the operator CPC; with a set syllabus, written exams and a pass/fail at the end that would see your entitlement to drive commercially ended if you failed? …
At least that way the 35 hours of “training” would have some justification and purpose. At the moment the DCPC is nothing more than another tax to work - and the price you pay is nothing more than an attendance fee. 
So who actually fills in the quiz sheets they pass around? These are like the introductions, nothing more than a time filler. Also, does anyone make notes (doodles apart)? Never seen anyone do it. The course notes are a valuable tool though; When shredded our rabbit happily craps on them, saving money by not buying straw.
Denis F:
Bacon Sandwich:
Denis F:
Bacon Sandwich:
According to the DCPC trainer I had yesterday (TM BTW) that the WTD says you have to have 20 minutes break within the first 6 hours of your shift.
We all said, Bollicks! It’s 15 and everyone knows that.
He said that we had been told wrong.
However, this was told to us at 1530 and I had pretty much switched off at 0930 so I didn’t really care!
I got told that too ! Were we on the same course ?
I did notice some scruffy looking get in a black polo shirt, was that you?
If it had the words “denis f” on it, yes !
Looks like we were on the same course. I played the “dead body” put in the recovery position. A part I was born to play!
The guy doing the course was just so bloody boring!
Bacon Sandwich:
Denis F:
Bacon Sandwich:
Denis F:
Bacon Sandwich:
According to the DCPC trainer I had yesterday (TM BTW) that the WTD says you have to have 20 minutes break within the first 6 hours of your shift.
We all said, Bollicks! It’s 15 and everyone knows that.
He said that we had been told wrong.
However, this was told to us at 1530 and I had pretty much switched off at 0930 so I didn’t really care!
I got told that too ! Were we on the same course ?
I did notice some scruffy looking get in a black polo shirt, was that you?
If it had the words “denis f” on it, yes !
Looks like we were on the same course. I played the “dead body” put in the recovery position. A part I was born to play!
The guy doing the course was just so bloody boring!
I’d lost the will to live by then
Do you think they’ll like me putting “7 hours towards my DCPC” on the feedback form where it said " what have you gained from this course?"
Lee DGSA/HGV trainer:
I’m a DCPC trainer and I’ve got to admit I agree with most of these posts that the trainer should be knowledgeable and experienced in the areas he/she is delivering. Now I generally get good feed back and respect in my courses and I think that comes from my experience. I’m 34 with 14 years of driving experience, 4 yrs on busses and 10 on class 1 and now I also have a ops cpc for haulage an ops cpc for passengers transport I’m a DGSA and also ADR instructor. In the classroom this combination work and it frustrates me when jaupt stipulation for a trainer is subject knowledge only, this means you could of learnt the power point a week ago and now deliver it which is ( mind mi french ) a load of bullocks. That’s what I think and I feel sorry for you guys and ladys that have to sit through 7 hrs with someone that don’t know their stuff
Are you from Stockport HGV?
That’s what I said (wrongly) I did your course in Bredbury, January this year. I’m the failed Rugby League player!!
GasGas:
‘… a decade or more ago the DfT did a consultation …’
As in a ‘consultation’ being barely more than a comfy chat - whereas a proper Training Needs Analysis was far too accountable?
GasGas:
‘…It’s not unusual for other trades (… nursing etc) to have periodic training…’
But it’s not at own time and financial expense 
GasGas:
‘…the Govt was not nearly prescriptive enough…’
Too right they weren’t: The Government were simply one rung above us in a ■■■■■■■ Daisy-chain sponsored by the EU and paid for by us.
GasGas:
‘…can you imagine the outcry if the DCPC was like the operator CPC; with a set syllabus, written exams and a pass/fail at the end that would see your entitlement to drive commercially ended if you failed…?’
And more than likely what a proper & democratic Training Needs Analysis would have established
GasGas:
‘…The people complaining loudest about it now are those who, even as little as a year ago, were telling us it would never happen…even though it had been happening for the previous five years…’
Not so here: I’m witnessing the EU’s bullying arrogance & Westminster’s blind obedience exactly as anticipated five years ago 
All this bitterness HK & yet you’re still doing it, even paid for by your European bosses. Maybe you would feel better if you paid for it yourself, you know, giving you something real to complain about.
Both the most inaccurate assumption and Muppet suggestion goes to an individual who writes:
BillyHunt:
‘…All this bitterness HK & yet you’re still doing it … Maybe you would feel better if you paid for it yourself, you know, giving you something real to complain about…’
Dear Billy,
Of course I’m ‘…doing it…’ - or where would my job go? 
“Would I feel better if I paid for it myself” = eh??
Meanwhile, what’s not ‘…real…’ about the DCPC taking 35 hours of tedious work/desktime to complete and about a week’s taxpaid wage to buy it 
Were you the minted foolish child who, when told to bang his fingers in the door, amusingly went ahead and did so to please a strange man and gawping smaller kids who your team of carers didn’t know anything about?
Now with mutually personalised digs apart, the daftness of “would I feel better if I paid for it myself” points to your willingness to silently buy an unnecessary & expensive contrivance, which I’d keep well schtum about: Shame that you couldn’t deny their truthful aspects or correct any perceived inaccuracies though…
Keep up the pro-EU trolling …but be careful and very aware of how support for the EU & how it’s steady & arrogant expansionism has recently really upset pro-Russian extremists who amid their a picque of being upset shoot down Boeings over EU-eyed soil, mate
A bloke on my cpc put his hand up and asked what a semi trailer was 
seth 70:
A bloke on my cpc put his hand up and asked what a semi trailer was
if my CPC bloke said that, i would ask as well, then ask him how many Americans there are on the course, then ask what people that are’nt American call them.
I can be very sarky!
The fact is HK that we have to do it, we don’t have to like it. You can ■■■■■ & moan all you like it’s not going to change in the short term. You can blame your favourites, lib lab con greens all you like, you might aswell put the kippers in there as they won’t be able, or willing to change it. The irony being that your German masters are paying for you to do it making your drivel even harder to stomach than normal.
And if you’re trying to say that, given our history, if we weren’t part of the EEC we would stand by & let Russia kick off with Europe without joining in then you are dafter than I thought.
1 Stupidest ‘Obvious Statement’?:
BillyHunt:
‘…The fact is … we have to do it…’
That’s OK then: Let’s spent a weeks wage equivalent of ‘someone’s money’ on 35 hours of too often random/repeated/irrelevant tittle-tattle then
2 Stupidest ‘Wrong Assumption’?:
BillyHunt:
‘…You can blame your favourites, lib lab con greens all you like…’
I don’t blame them because pro-EU party puppets do not vote themselves into political office:They rely on useful idiots for that privilege, Bill
3 Stupidest ‘Glib Statement’?:
BillyHunt:
‘…your German masters are paying for you to do it …’
Blissfully ignorant of costs also including other resources too when I’m doing it in my time on my rest 
4 Stupidest ‘Timewarp Dweller’?:
BillyHunt:
‘… if we weren’t part of the EEC …’
We’re not
The ‘…EEC…’ was an edgy hardening of the too cosy sounding Common Market and is currently the European Union en-route to - with your endorsement - being The Federation of Europe
done 4 courses with 4 diffrent ■■■■■■ companys, and the all spout the same thing that you need you to carry their driving licenses with them by law, but what law ■■? even they dont know ,
Judging from the Driver Hire DCPC videos, you should wear your hi viz during courses, shake hands with every customer, and drive around with a cheesy grin on your face (or your thumb up). There are probably loads more idiosyncrasies but I understand I was asleep by then.
kindle530:
seth 70:
A bloke on my cpc put his hand up and asked what a semi trailer was
if my CPC bloke said that, i would ask as well, then ask him how many Americans there are on the course, then ask what people that are’nt American call them.
I can be very sarky!
I think it was a bloke sitting the course that put his hand up, most instructors don’t find the need to put their hand up.
And we call them semi’s in France.