The chances are that they (through their party’s EU puppet status) are whipped in Westminster to fully endorse UK’s full adherance of everything EU.
They will doubtless enjoy researching Euro-claptrap for us Worker Prole’s during their umpteen week Summer Holiday
Or perhaps BH can tell us how (other than bleating “you’ve got to and I love it”) carrying more doc’s in this age of electronic jointery, etc, can be an efficiency?
So HK why don’t you back up your drivel & tell them to stuff it? I’m sure a man of your obvious intellect could be doing something better than staring out of a big window at Tarmac all day. Or are you one of those know it all ■■■■■■■■■ that make noise complaining about everything but don’t have the plums to back it up? Let’s face it, despite all your guff about DCPC you’re doing it, just like the rest of us.
BillyHunt:
'…So HK why don’t you back up your drivel & tell them to stuff it? I’m sure a man of your obvious intellect could be doing something better than staring out of a big window at Tarmac all day. Or are you one of those know it all [zb] that make noise complaining about everything but don’t have the plums to back it up? Let’s face it, despite all your guff about DCPC you’re doing it, just like the rest of us.
Yes, I’m doing it broadly due to spineless Muppets who rolled over in the pursuit of voting in proven tribal ways, ‘Billy’.
Only you seem to see HGV driving as a domain for the thick: Sorry for that
Spineless to wanna work?
You tell me …!
Plums?
For sure …although I’m assessing your cul-de-sac situation as one deserving sympathy than reciprocal abuse, thank you
I don’t see drivers as thick, far from it, but you only have to read some of the questions/comments on here to see they aren’t all the sharpest tools.
Spineless to want to work? Not at all but you’ve had 5 years to change your trade, assuming you could find one these days that doesn’t have some form of training on a regular basis. You knew it was coming and have done nothing but ■■■■■ about it, even if it was put in place by faceless muppets & not your fault. Face the fact, despite all your flowery phrases & articulate whines you’re just another bum on a seat doing as you’re told.
seth 70:
A bloke on my cpc put his hand up and asked what a semi trailer was
if my CPC bloke said that, i would ask as well, then ask him how many Americans there are on the course, then ask what people that are’nt American call them.
I can be very sarky!
I think it was a bloke sitting the course that put his hand up, most instructors don’t find the need to put their hand up.
I know it was, its what seth70 said.
And we call them semi’s in France.
BillyHunt:
‘…you’ve had 5 years to change your trade … You knew it was coming and have done nothing but ■■■■■ about it, even if it was put in place by faceless muppets & not your fault. Face the fact, despite all your flowery phrases & articulate whines you’re just another bum on a seat doing as you’re told…’
Yes to lots of that, but it isn’t all as you imagine, Billy
I came off agency onto full time (amongst other stuff too) on a ‘promise’ made and acted upon by me four years ago to get put through the DCPC: The first three modules were then factored into paid work.
Great!
But as drivers, we’ve all meanwhile been exposed to what an ill-suited sack-of-cack that the DCPC is - yet our political masters everywhere - as well as our industry madarins are ignoring/tolerating the situation.
Politically, it’s fair to write that I base my focus & priority on the EU not suiting British needs, and I know I’m ‘only a driver’ but I’m trying to use my cajones to endeavour in opposition to foreign & unwanted intrusion (not a crime) - although I’ll say now:
Moaning about the DCPC whilst supporting & electing MP’s who are sickeningly & ignorantly supporting the DCPC arguably is a crime
None of which was helped by my company getting it’s sums wrong earlier this year and - without being honest & open about it bluntly & muddily passed round the message through whispers “it’s gonna now cost your rest days”. Period
So I hope that helps explain why that particular rotating pineapple up the crimper once narked me
At the moment, employers and drivers just want their card so they can carry on working. After next month, the cowboys will pack up their tents and steal quietly into the night. Employers will soon start looking for value from them; start tailoring them to their own operations. Agencies will quite likely bring them in-house and expect the lecturers to do a proper job. What we have now is just the storm before the calm.
What you guys should be doing is writing all the mistakes down so you can put them on the feedback. That will get rid of the incompetents.
An increasing number of the operators I speak to have decided that over the next five years, they will organise one course a year for their drivers, which is just what the Irish Gvt made its hauliers do.
They will also not recruit drivers who aren’t up to speed with their training: ie 3 years in they will only consider drivers with 3 training sessions recorded.
One or two have said they will specifically look at doing a compliance course (drivers hours, tachos etc) in January of each year, specifically so they can demonstrate to the TC that their drivers have been trained on this in the last calendar year.
If the lad talking about out of date first aid kit was a bus driver then he was right.The first aid kit and fire extinquisher are part of the MOT for buses.I think that it is wrong that bus,coach and lorry drivers are all being lumped in together for this so called training.
Santa:
‘…What you guys should be doing is writing all the mistakes down so you can put them on the feedback…’
That sounds pretty authoritative and almost credible advice: Thanks
But what ‘…the feedback…’ is this?
In what format should this ‘feedback’ be presented?
Where should it be sent?
Who has sought it?
Who is auditing it?
Santa:
‘…That will get rid of the incompetents…’
Who is doing the getting ‘…rid…’ bit?
With whose authority?
And if the perpetrators of ‘…the mistakes…’ don’t go, then what?
Is all this a national thing - with a view to the UK properly benefitting?
Santa:
‘…What you guys should be doing is writing all the mistakes down so you can put them on the feedback…’
That sounds pretty authoritative and almost credible advice: Thanks
But what ‘…the feedback…’ is this?
In what format should this ‘feedback’ be presented?
Where should it be sent?
Who has sought it?
Who is auditing it?
Santa:
‘…That will get rid of the incompetents…’
Who is doing the getting ‘…rid…’ bit?
With whose authority?
And if the perpetrators of ‘…the mistakes…’ don’t go, then what?
Is all this a national thing - with a view to the UK properly benefitting?
Only asking
You should get a feedback form at the end of each training session. These are audited by JAUPT.
LIBERTY_GUY:
My dcpc trainer suggested DVSA could make you unhitch your trailer, make you hitch it up again and if they didn’t like the way you were doing it, issue you with a fine.
He also suggested that hgv and psv drivers have to carry their driving licenses with them by law now, but be darned if I can see that anywhere on the DVLC site?
ALL drivers have to carry their licence while they are driving along with insurance documents etc. The police advise against carrying these documents but it is law
Santa:
‘…What you guys should be doing is writing all the mistakes down so you can put them on the feedback…’
That sounds pretty authoritative and almost credible advice: Thanks
But what ‘…the feedback…’ is this…?’
‘…You should get a feedback form at the end of each training session. These are audited by JAUPT…’
That’s simply an internal audit procedure by a self-licking lollipop amounting to less than diddly-squit
A switched-on, authoritative and less sycophantic UK Government would look into the inappropriacy of the very evident DCPC farce to actually benefit the nation - and not simply to simper at this pathetic and highly inefficient EU diktat
According to a DCPC trainer just recently, a break won’t record if a period of driving has taken place beforehand. Eg. if you start your shift, put your card in, do 30 mins other work loading your truck then have a 15 min break before setting off, the break won’t physically record. Now I’m always willing to learn new things and be corrected if I’m wrong, but this one is news to me and I can’t find anything in regulations about it . What do the experts say (ie. NOT DCPC trainers ) ?
Left hand down!:
According to a DCPC trainer just recently, a break won’t record if a period of driving has taken place beforehand. Eg. if you start your shift, put your card in, do 30 mins other work loading your truck then have a 15 min break before setting off, the break won’t physically record. Now I’m always willing to learn new things and be corrected if I’m wrong, but this one is news to me and I can’t find anything in regulations about it . What do the experts say (ie. NOT DCPC trainers ) ?
not an expert, but i think it records but does not count towards your 45
. What do the experts say (ie. NOT DCPC trainers 