Silver_Surfer:
You would get paid waiting time or demurrage as it’s known in the trade after about 2 hours from your booking time, that’s if you aren’t late though. I would guess at about £20/£25 per hour or some such.
On general, you sure ? I’ve not done rdc’s for quite some time but I doubt many suppliers would get anywhere with tesco.
We do on boxes, usually after 3 hours, and for every hour after that.
dont most RDCs charge the haulier if a delivery is late if stobbs gave a franchisee a job which was already running late would said franchisee then be expected to allow stobbs to deduct this from his earnings
Silver_Surfer:
You would get paid waiting time or demurrage as it’s known in the trade after about 2 hours from your booking time, that’s if you aren’t late though. I would guess at about £20/£25 per hour or some such.
If I was younger and less cynical/experienced, I might have done it myself but I’m too strong headed now to tow the company line and do the whole arse licking thing.
In all fairness to Eddie, I doubt he will let this fail, I just don’t think it will live up to many “Franchisee” expectations. You will not get rich doing this but like i’ve said before you will probably pull a decent wage out of it. Just up to you if you think running your own wagon with all the hoops you have to jump through and worry that you will have is worth it for a decent wage.
Nice to read a voice of reason Silver_Surfer (tautology?).
I have the CPC the time done the attitude and cash to do it myself but I’m not going to.
The reason is that I like the place where I already work. I feel like I’m valued and they pay me fair. In return I work hard and do my bit. Simple really, it’s a pity ESL have lost sight of this basic tenant for employing people.
no,they wanted trampers on it,not day shift drivers,im glad i didnt as my theory of putting in every hour possible wouldnt of worked on the fridges as most jobs are planned/work out to be 8 hrs ish now,at the time i believe i could of made it pay ,but now doing 8 hrs[3 in canteen],7 hrs,9 hrs etc,etc,parked up for 17 hrs etc wouldnt work,
to earn more id now be looking elsewhere,but maybe on ambient /bio-mass you could do the hours to make money,but not on my job,better to stick to company driver and take the 50 hrs gauranteed for 40 hrs attendance[was going to put work,but work its not ]
tallyman:
Received a reply back from my enquiry. They have no further information available at the moment - interested applicants will get sent an application form and then be invited to a seminar and ‘further information will be discussed at this point’. So not many clues there.
They are just testing the market with this advert to see if there will be any genuine interest,if not they will quietly drop the idea !! They are trying to be another Virgin like Branson does,use what they perceive to be a “respected brand name” and cream off a healthy % leaving the “mugs” to bear the pain. P.S. I for one have never touched anything with the Virgin name on it and I’m not changing my opinion yet! Cheers Bewick.
I also reckon that the tractors would only be on Hire to the Frachisee,unless “fast eddie” is buying them “outright” then supplying them to the O/D on a prime lease/purchase arrangement.But I doubt very much that the “fast one” will be buying outright so IMO there will just be a simple hire agreement so the tractor will never become the property of the O/D.Oh! and what about damage/tyre problems with the “company” trailers,I bet that will turn into one hell of a battle as the “company” drivers will be “tutored” to blame every little bit of damage on the Franchisees thereby cutting down the cost of trailer repairs to the “company”,another nice little earner me thinks !! Ooooh! Happy Days are just around the corner for the unsuspecting “lucky” takers-up of this lucrative offer ! Best of Luck,you’ll need it in spades ! Bewick.
AlexWignall:
As I said to Coffee and repton I can’t disagree with your logic but it doesn’t mean you are right.
I just think any potential franchisees will be so limited in their operational choices that ESL has found a loophole to allow their drivers to be self employed.
It does mean I am right because I am right. You require an operators licence to do become an ESL franchisee. See page 2 of this thread, posted by wheelnut. About the 5th bullet point down…“you require an o-licence”.
You cannot run on someone elses Operators Licence, even if its Eddie Stobart and Eddie stobart is supplying the truck, finance, work etc. You must have you’re own o-licence whatever your “operational choices”.
Well this shows truck drivers are not daft, I think they ,well most anyway have sussed this one out, If there was money in it they would keep it for them selves,they have share holders to please. Franchise od,s are finished now at least new start ups ,problem is when costs need to be cut the first thing is rates ,next is if there is new rules ie HS, you will be sticking your hand in your pocket first( Anyone notice those new big marker boards on tippers,that was because the contractor wanted them on their sites they are nothing to do with construction and use well they are £100 waste of hard earned money) as I said the first ones on his scheme will be well looked after utill there are enough fighting among each other,…I might be wrong maybe I am a siynic I would not do it again.
Silver_Surfer:
You would get paid waiting time or demurrage as it’s known in the trade after about 2 hours from your booking time, that’s if you aren’t late though. I would guess at about £20/£25 per hour or some such.
On general, you sure ? I’ve not done rdc’s for quite some time but I doubt many suppliers would get anywhere with tesco.
We do on boxes, usually after 3 hours, and for every hour after that.
Presumeably ESL will quote on the job, then pass it onto the franchisee though, in which case the price is agreed before you even know what you’re doing?
As they say you’ll be paid by the load, how will you have room to negotiate waiting time? Seems to me you won’t be negotiating anything, you’ll get what you’re given.
AlexWignall:
I just think any potential franchisees will be so limited in their operational choices that ESL has found a loophole to allow their drivers to be self employed.
It’s no different at all to all the quarry (Hanson / Tarmac / Lafarge etc) franchises that have been working in exactly the same system for decades and that has been fine with the tax man so I don’t see any reason why the Stobart scheme should be a problem.
I think the whole “are you actually legally self employed” thing is a complete red herring in this case.
I also think the whole scheme is probably a recipe for disaster (for the franchisee) but time will tell on that one.
stay well clear stobart is in trouble, and they wont be around by the end of the year, they are loosing contracts by the day and they cant even afford to run there own trucks, tesco want them gone and tesco have stopped selling them fuel at cost, and wont underwrite any more loans for the trucks, and Norberts will be running the show your just wait and see norbert said years ago they would ■■■■ stobarts and its happening,
AlexWignall:
As I said to Coffee and repton I can’t disagree with your logic but it doesn’t mean you are right.
I just think any potential franchisees will be so limited in their operational choices that ESL has found a loophole to allow their drivers to be self employed.
It does mean I am right because I am right. You require an operators licence to do become an ESL franchisee. See page 2 of this thread, posted by wheelnut. About the 5th bullet point down…“you require an o-licence”.
You cannot run on someone elses Operators Licence, even if its Eddie Stobart and Eddie stobart is supplying the truck, finance, work etc. You must have you’re own o-licence whatever your “operational choices”.
Suits me hammer, my phone will not download some pictures so you have the advantage.
I think repton had it right in a later reply that the whole ‘is it legal?’ debate is a red herring.
The whole point of my argument throughout this thread is that I think it is sad that ESL feel the need to replace it’s employees with carbon copy sub contractors. To whom ESL owe no duty of care or responsibility.
AlexWignall:
I think repton had it right in a later reply that the whole ‘is it legal?’ debate is a red herring.
I wouldn’t be so sure. The companies he says have been doing it are not transport companies per se, they just contract out the haulage to OD’s. Stobarts is obviously a transport company and has just laid off men and are looking to replace them directly with franchisees.
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