In this case O/D is just a terminolgy- think about who is doing most of the input ie supplying trailer - supplying fuel - supplying work - etc etc and taking a percentage each month for their trouble. Try starting from scratch and see how hard it would be.
coca cola kid…they have all that infrastructure already at hand, they are taking no risk at all, and know full well they will do the same as all the other con men in this sort of deal…i.e. just give them enough to keep them going… just enough so they don’t earn too much then ditch us when they make a few bob and move to a better deal. The trailers… they already own them and need to use them so no favours to you there, you’re doing THEM the favour keeping it from rotting away. The work…they have the contracts and need to honor them.they are NOT getting the work for you. they are getting it for Stobart. You just do it and pay them a % for doing so. Is the £12k for life or yearly? What happens if unit is off road? Do they give you another or do you have to arrange that through your insurance? I think that anyone who decides to be a pal of the chuckle brothers will either be …1. Knocking their ■■■■■■■■ out to keep their heads above water…or
…2. Getting ■■■■ jobs and watching the grass grow under their tyres at RDC’s, running empty back to chuckleville, and borrowing a two bob bit for the gas oven, in which to stick their napper when it all goes ■■■ shaped.
Sorry to burst some of you guys bubble but the owner drivers won’t be allowed to double shift the wagon 24 hours a day, it will be tramping work only with you doing 5 days a week and getting another driver in at the weekend or doing 4 on 4 off with a driver that you employ.
This is the whole idea behind this, Eddie wants to double shift all his owned wagons and get the owner drivers to do the tramping so their own trucks are earning 24/7.
The 12k is your cash flow money in the bank, you won’t have to give this to Eddie up front it’s just so they ensure you have enough money in the bank to cover your running costs.
This isn’t really owner driving is it in the purest sense of the word, it is basically a franchise as you will only be allowed to pull their trailers and do their work.
I thought that was about it Silver surfer. Thanks for that and putting me right. So they want their motors running 24/7 but not yours as you’d be parked up sleeping? So your earnings are already curtailed and reducing your income to put a tighter noose round your neck. But then again would it be in their best interest to do the tramping, and let you double shift it, do twice as much work,and get twice as much income.mmmm…3 months ago they said they didn’t need trampers and now they do, well sort of.but not stobart trampers. They are a bunch of ■■■■■■ cowboys as far as I’m concerned. And I believe this is just a knats fanny hair within the law. Then again, they were up Gordon Browns arse weren’t they and got money from the then government. ■■■■■■■ shamefull and corrupt.
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Received a reply back from my enquiry. They have no further information available at the moment - interested applicants will get sent an application form and then be invited to a seminar and ‘further information will be discussed at this point’. So not many clues there.
@Coffee and repton, all three of us know that you need to have a CPC to have an O licence, it’s not what it says in the ad though is it?
@repton, the franchisees are not operating their own trucks on their own individually sought contracts. How could they compare to an owner driver like yourself? I hope one of them joins TNUK and explains how it all works.
It’s a bit like when the dairies realised that the days of the doorstep delivery were finished, so they flogged all of the rounds off to their milkmen.
By the sounds of things, stobbies are doing this only for one reason, MONEY (duck…incoming!).
Some office boffin must have worked out that they’ll make more/better/easier profit off loading work (costs) onto O/D’s than to do it themselves with thier own employees, vehicles etc.
I’ve thought similar about him using the trucks and trailers programme as a long term advertising ‘ploy’ to show how ‘wonderful’ they are.
All those kids going for their C+E, borrowing £12K off daddy/bank, and barreling in clueless…
Wonder if stobbies ever read all this about them as a ‘guest’■■?
tallyman:
Received a reply back from my enquiry. They have no further information available at the moment - interested applicants will get sent an application form and then be invited to a seminar and ‘further information will be discussed at this point’. So not many clues there.
Cheers for the info tallyman, to be honest that doesnt sound good as it stinks a little like getting a captured audience together and hitting them with a hard sell, with a load of powerpoint slides that explain all the good things about the venture and how easy it will be to make your fortune. The schemes being sold in this fashion are traditionally a load of bollox. Why they dont just send you a leaflet or booklet with all the terms and conditions of the 2 way contract with a detailed list of all the prices etc? (What are they hiding that they will hit you with after you have signed up on the back of their fancy slideshow)
Did they say where the seminar is going to be held? I might apply and run along to the seminar for interest sakes although it will be with eyes like saucepans and I certainly wont be taking a pen and cheque book with me as they will no doubt try and do the impress the pants of the target audience and get them to sign up for a ‘1 off’ special deal thats only on offer today!!!
Unfortunately with some of the observations and comments on here and the way in which Stobbies wish to deliver this venture its not looking like a feasable and worthwile way of making a decent but hard working lifestyle.
The swingometer has slightly swayed the otherway at this point.
AlexWignall:
That looks to me that you could apply to be a Francisee armed with nothing more that a real CPC and a winning smile and still be a sucessful applicant.
Not true because VOSA insist on you having a level of finance in place before they will grant an O-licence. I think its about £7,700 at the moment.
Who says the Franchisees are going to have their own O licence? It’s not in the ad.
I think you are confusing an ESL Franchise with one real customer, with a proper independent haulier who is free to find their own customers and control their own costs.
I’m not confusing anything, they are saying you have to have your own CPC. This tells me it will be the franchisee who has their own o-licence. They cannot legally be ‘self-employed’ and run on Stobarts o-licence so they will need one of their own.
Harry Monk:
It’s a bit like when the dairies realised that the days of the doorstep delivery were finished, so they flogged all of the rounds off to their milkmen.
I would say that is an excellent comparison Harry. The annoying thing is the first few franchisees will get star treatment (quite literally if they appear on TV) to encourage the others.
AlexWignall:
That looks to me that you could apply to be a Francisee armed with nothing more that a real CPC and a winning smile and still be a sucessful applicant.
Not true because VOSA insist on you having a level of finance in place before they will grant an O-licence. I think its about £7,700 at the moment.
Who says the Franchisees are going to have their own O licence? It’s not in the ad.
I think you are confusing an ESL Franchise with one real customer, with a proper independent haulier who is free to find their own customers and control their own costs.
I’m not confusing anything, they are saying you have to have your own CPC. This tells me it will be the franchisee who has their own o-licence. They cannot legally be ‘self-employed’ and run on Stobarts o-licence so they will need one of their own.
As I said to Coffee and repton I can’t disagree with your logic but it doesn’t mean you are right.
I just think any potential franchisees will be so limited in their operational choices that ESL has found a loophole to allow their drivers to be self employed.
I’m sure some sucessful applicant we be happy to blurt out how it all works on TNUK or in the trade press eventually. I reckon there are a few other large companies keeping an eye on developments.
You would get paid waiting time or demurrage as it’s known in the trade after about 2 hours from your booking time, that’s if you aren’t late though. I would guess at about £20/£25 per hour or some such.
If I was younger and less cynical/experienced, I might have done it myself but I’m too strong headed now to tow the company line and do the whole arse licking thing.
In all fairness to Eddie, I doubt he will let this fail, I just don’t think it will live up to many “Franchisee” expectations. You will not get rich doing this but like i’ve said before you will probably pull a decent wage out of it. Just up to you if you think running your own wagon with all the hoops you have to jump through and worry that you will have is worth it for a decent wage.
Silver_Surfer:
You would get paid waiting time or demurrage as it’s known in the trade after about 2 hours from your booking time, that’s if you aren’t late though. I would guess at about £20/£25 per hour or some such.
On general, you sure ? I’ve not done rdc’s for quite some time but I doubt many suppliers would get anywhere with tesco.
We do on boxes, usually after 3 hours, and for every hour after that.
maybe, thats what freightliner were doing. Or was it £15 
