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buck rogers:
and mike c…the drivers may have been offered alternative employment,possibly even their old jobs back…but it will be on a lot less money.

Yes, if they are striking/picketing or whatever they’re doing to preserve their conditions of employment then that a completley different slant than ‘trying to save their jobs’.

buck rogers:
absolutley disgusting…and even worse that some of you lot are agreeing with stobarts and tescos principles…shame on you.

I certainley don’t agree with their principles. I am however a realist. I can’t see what can be done. I also noted lack of support for the previous depots that underwent similar changes from their own colleagues across the country. Its easier to just blame Stobarts then no one has to think about it too much.

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unions aren’t and wont ever be a good idea in my eyes .

they work on paper but don’t work in practice , the problem isn’t the theory behind it it’s the strikers on the picket line that are the problem , i was caught up in the dockers strike ( you’ll know what im talking about ) .

the idea seemed to be " agree with us and we’ll be friends " or " dont agree with us and we’ll beat the living crap out of you and throw you in the sea " .

tell me im wrong someone i dare you . i was caught up in it all in grimsby container port and i was a 21 yr old driver and i was terrified …

unions dont work because of the strikers not the people running them , its a good idea in theory but nothing more .

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Angus25:

spectron:

Angus25:
Right gum shield in the problem with strikes is supply and demand you go on strike say other drivers back you then you get a newbi struggling to get a job William offers him work via agency for less money newbi gets job pays bills strikers loss out . Same with the pits thatcher could see what would happen with no coal as of the 70s she knew she could get it cheaper from abroad same with drivers. It’s all to do with the common market or as its known Europe. So lads and lasses think before you act we are all replaceable because of Europe.

I don’t think a pits a place to send an untrained agency worker get a grip.

I need to get a grip unions have got to big and powerful and wreck lives I come frome the Durham area my family knows what striking dose takes food off the table Anough said.
The op shouldn’t brag about crossing the picket line

Why is it unions that take food off tables, and not bosses?

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bowser:
unions aren’t and wont ever be a good idea in my eyes .

they work on paper but don’t work in practice , the problem isn’t the theory behind it it’s the strikers on the picket line that are the problem , i was caught up in the dockers strike ( you’ll know what im talking about ) .

the idea seemed to be " agree with us and we’ll be friends " or " dont agree with us and we’ll beat the living crap out of you and throw you in the sea " .

tell me im wrong someone i dare you . i was caught up in it all in grimsby container port and i was a 21 yr old driver and i was terrified …

unions dont work because of the strikers not the people running them , its a good idea in theory but nothing more .

Let us suppose they hadn’t threatened you with a thrashing. Would you have complied with the strike, or would you have tried to break it?

The bosses offer an ever-present threat to you of being beaten by police, of being thrown out of your house by bailiffs, of you and your family being left to starve on the street. Ultimately, they’ll try to shoot you if you don’t comply with their rule. There has to be a reaction to that, and it has to be an organised reaction.

To those who are easily frightened and who would break ranks with workers and give into the bosses’ threats against their homes and families (whilst selling their children’s chances down the river anyway), what else can you do but make sure they are more frightened of their co-workers than bosses?

You have to take sides, and the only question is whose side are you going to take.

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Going on strike? Let’s be honest, how can it actually win in a modern day society? I bet half of the Tesco’s drivers weren’t even on the picket line. They’d have been too busy enjoying a day off, taking the grandkids to the seaside for fish and chips.

Surely, for any action taken to actually make way in a positive direction, the support of the general public is needed. . . ? As drivers, all we seem to do is get on the nerves of the general public.

I agree that most drivers wages are far too low, and even the conditions in which we work is dire. I’m also afraid to say that things are not gonna change while 90% of drivers seem to be entirely socially retarded, and do nothing but complain, whinge, and whine, expecting the entire universe to conform to the way they personally do things. Most drivers are too busy looking out for ‘number 1’ to actually see the bigger picture.

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ste87:

bowser:
unions aren’t and wont ever be a good idea in my eyes .

they work on paper but don’t work in practice , the problem isn’t the theory behind it it’s the strikers on the picket line that are the problem , i was caught up in the dockers strike ( you’ll know what im talking about ) .

the idea seemed to be " agree with us and we’ll be friends " or " dont agree with us and we’ll beat the living crap out of you and throw you in the sea " .

tell me im wrong someone i dare you . i was caught up in it all in grimsby container port and i was a 21 yr old driver and i was terrified …

unions dont work because of the strikers not the people running them , its a good idea in theory but nothing more .

Let us suppose they hadn’t threatened you with a thrashing. Would you have complied with the strike, or would you have tried to break it?

The bosses offer an ever-present threat to you of being beaten by police, of being thrown out of your house by bailiffs, of you and your family being left to starve on the street. Ultimately, they’ll try to shoot you if you don’t comply with their rule. There has to be a reaction to that, and it has to be an organised reaction.

To those who are easily frightened and who would break ranks with workers and give into the bosses’ threats against their homes and families (whilst selling their children’s chances down the river anyway), what else can you do but make sure they are more frightened of their co-workers than bosses?

You have to take sides, and the only question is whose side are you going to take.

Far too over dramatic .

So , was i suppose to give in to the unrealistic threat that my family would starve to death and the police would damage me in some way ? you’re having a laugh .

If im supposed to take sides then i’ll take the side of those that don’t threaten to beat the ■■■■■ out of me because i don’t agree with them and that will never be the union side . If and when unions can show me that they work without threat and without making things difficult for anyone other than themselves then i’ll happily join .

P.S … i crossed the picket line and i couldnt wait to cross if only to get away FROM the threat .

The only opinion i have of unions is a bad one created by what i saw and what i witnessed i’ve never seen anything different .

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ste87:
The bosses offer an ever-present threat to you of being beaten by police, of being thrown out of your house by bailiffs, of you and your family being left to starve on the street.

ROFLMAO. I’m not quite sure what year you’re living in but the rest of us are in 2012. Perhaps you’d like toy come and join us - it seems to be pretty miserable for you still being stuck in 1970.

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GREED!!!

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NewLad:

yorkshire terrier:
i notice that the op is from mansfiels/notts,well some things never change then as a child of the miners strike some of my family still call notts people scabs.

Thats how thick you Northern idiots really are then! The minors strike was never balloted properly! Scargil only balloted the Yorkshire miners yet expects the whole country to go out on strike, Nottinghamshire miners would have striked if the stupid [zb] had balloted the whole country. How can you expect people who didn’t get a say to go out on strike.

And yes I am in the union, yes I do believe in fighting for what you think your worth and I also wouldn’t cross the picket line of a LEGAL strike!

Good luck to the lads at Doncaster.

Speaking as one of the thick Northern idiots I am curious did you mean minors or MINERS■■?

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Does anybody know why the operation was changed from Tesco to Stobart?

Was it because Tesco wanted to make changes to be more efficient (but it not effecting the driver wages) but got resistance so thought… sod that, can’t be dealing with it… here you go Stobart - you deal with it?

I can’t believe how some just blindly defend the now ex Tesco drivers without perhaps knowing why they were put in that predicament.

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ste87:

Angus25:

spectron:

Angus25:
Right gum shield in the problem with strikes is supply and demand you go on strike say other drivers back you then you get a newbi struggling to get a job William offers him work via agency for less money newbi gets job pays bills strikers loss out . Same with the pits thatcher could see what would happen with no coal as of the 70s she knew she could get it cheaper from abroad same with drivers. It’s all to do with the common market or as its known Europe. So lads and lasses think before you act we are all replaceable because of Europe.

I don’t think a pits a place to send an untrained agency worker get a grip.

I need to get a grip unions have got to big and powerful and wreck lives I come frome the Durham area my family knows what striking dose takes food off the table Anough said.
The op shouldn’t brag about crossing the picket line

Why is it unions that take food off tables, and not bosses?

Because when the union bosses say go on strike they stay at work having a drink with your boss doing negotiations well your on the picket line with no money.

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I would imagine that Tesco saw it as a chance to make savings.
Not in drivers wages but in various other costs.
Buying vehicles,servicing and insuring them plus the ever rising cost of fuel etc.
Then the other sundry items such as uniforms, pension payments,sickness and sick payments the list is probably endless.
You sub the work out you get a contract for x amount of vehicles at x amount of £££’s per wagon.
The haulier factors his cost and progfit margin into it.
If a driver dosen’t roll in for work it’s up to the haulier to cover it.
Tesco don’t have to worry about paying sick pay and an agency driver.
He has the sword of damaclees hanging over him if he can’t come up trumps and forefill the contract another haulier soon will.

I suspect it’s a lost cause.
Stobart won’t raise the offer too far as every other driver will want the same T & C’s and it will set a standard if they have to do the same some where else.
I suspect the offer will have peaked there’s only one way it’s going to go from here and that’s downwards.
Why pay more when they have made it quite clear they won’t accept any offer?
Stobart aren’t going to telephone Tesco and say we give in we can’t get lads to cross a picket line.
They’ll bring in lads from anywhere hey can to cover this.

The union must know it’s over the best they can do now is get their members the best deal they can.
It’s game over at Doncaster take the cash and move on.
How many other driving jobs are there in that area?
Stobart are operating out of Sherburn and Goole do you think they’ll take anyone on if they’re stood picketing and bad mouthing the firm off?
They’ll have the drivers names simple thing to operate a nice little blacklist like yer man put up earlier.

The Unions are finished end of chat.
Those of you who are faithfully paying in each week and month are only paying a mans £100K gold plated pension and for his “company” flat and Range Rover.
They had here chances to change things way back in the 70’s and the 80’s but didn’t.
They even mkanaged to make an arse of the Miners strike.
Had Scargill balleted all the members in all areas he might have got his national strike but he didn’t.
The rest of the unions could have came in and finished Thatcher but didn’t.
I seem to rememer plenty of hauliers bringing in all the coal the coal board had stockpiled.
Theyu didn’t seem to have a problem crossing picket lines.
I suspect as miners and theirs starved some hauliers and drivers had a very good year.
Don’t blame other miners, blame King Arthur who even now is bankrupting the NUM to keep his perks.

Unite are finished they can’t call all wagon drivers out on strike there’s not enough members
The tanker drivers proved that Unite have no power they couldn’t even slow the country down for a few days.
Apart from a burnt woman in York and a few queues from panic buying al they did was line the fuel and goverments pockets with extra sales.
At best they got a score draw.

As to all the lads who say they won’t cross a picket line.
I hope you never have to.
As for going on strike then I admire your principles but it’s a hard man wiling to starve his wife and kids and lose his house and everything else for principle.
Len McClusky and his family won’t have to worry but good luck.

Unite strange name for a union representing members from an industry so divided and cut throat as ours…

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bowser:

ste87:

bowser:
unions aren’t and wont ever be a good idea in my eyes .

they work on paper but don’t work in practice , the problem isn’t the theory behind it it’s the strikers on the picket line that are the problem , i was caught up in the dockers strike ( you’ll know what im talking about ) .

the idea seemed to be " agree with us and we’ll be friends " or " dont agree with us and we’ll beat the living crap out of you and throw you in the sea " .

tell me im wrong someone i dare you . i was caught up in it all in grimsby container port and i was a 21 yr old driver and i was terrified …

unions dont work because of the strikers not the people running them , its a good idea in theory but nothing more .

Let us suppose they hadn’t threatened you with a thrashing. Would you have complied with the strike, or would you have tried to break it?

The bosses offer an ever-present threat to you of being beaten by police, of being thrown out of your house by bailiffs, of you and your family being left to starve on the street. Ultimately, they’ll try to shoot you if you don’t comply with their rule. There has to be a reaction to that, and it has to be an organised reaction.

To those who are easily frightened and who would break ranks with workers and give into the bosses’ threats against their homes and families (whilst selling their children’s chances down the river anyway), what else can you do but make sure they are more frightened of their co-workers than bosses?

You have to take sides, and the only question is whose side are you going to take.

bowser:
Far too over dramatic .

So , was i suppose to give in to the unrealistic threat that my family would starve to death and the police would damage me in some way ? you’re having a laugh .

If im supposed to take sides then i’ll take the side of those that don’t threaten to beat the [zb] out of me because i don’t agree with them and that will never be the union side . If and when unions can show me that they work without threat and without making things difficult for anyone other than themselves then i’ll happily join .

I assure you, the state will beat the ■■■■ out of you if you don’t agree with it or the powerful interests that it serves. But it has so many levers that it can pull to put pressure on you before it gets to that stage, that the underlying threat of violence is usually covert and only shows itself when violations of the ruling class diktat becomes organised and widespread.

bowser:
P.S … i crossed the picket line and i couldnt wait to cross if only to get away FROM the threat .

The only opinion i have of unions is a bad one created by what i saw and what i witnessed i’ve never seen anything different .

Well I don’t know the details of that, but I just felt it necessary to correct the idea that somehow the state, in order to secure your compliance with its rule, doesn’t threaten people with violence (or indeed more general kinds of harm short of physical violence).

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ste87:

ste87:

stevieboy308:
there’s a going rate, in my opinion this rate is determined by every man and woman who has the means, eligibility and the ability to drive a truck in the uk. the rate is set when a similar amount people say they’ll drive a truck for that money, rather than do something else for the amount of driving positions in the country.

But why should the “going rate” be determined by the market? The market is set up to enrich the rich and impoverish the poor. If you accept the logic of the market, you accept the right of the rich to get inexorably richer on the backs of the labour of the poorest.

stevieboy308:
how is the market set up?

By the imposition of laws, enforced by an armed body of men - usually with a great deal of overt violence at the outset.

stevieboy308:
how does it enrich the rich and impoverish the poor?

Markets create competition and therefore winners and losers - in other words, markets create rich and poor. The reason why markets enrich the already rich, and further impoverish the already poor, is because those who are already rich are usually in the best position to win any competition.

And in cases where the rich are not guaranteed to win, or where their guarantees are threatened, they use their power and influence to develop or maintain rules under which they are guaranteed to win.

stevieboy308:
why shouldn’t the market decide? the market gives true values of worth, why is that not fair?

The market doesn’t give “true values of worth”. The market is just one normative method of determining value, and the detail of its structure is invariably set up to be favourable to the rich.

stevieboy308:
if the market shouldn’t decide, who should?

Given that “the market deciding” is synonymous here with “the rich deciding”, clearly I think that workers should decide. I would use any method of labour valuation that accounts broadly for time and effort, instead of personal wealth and scarcity.

ste87:

stevieboy308:
it doesn’t matter what side of the to strike or not to strike fence you sit, surely everyone can see if you’re being paid significantly more than the going rate and not in a specialist sector, then it might not last forever.

There may be some truth in that, but the lesson to take away is that if you want to have decent wages, you have to have solidarity, and you have to make sure your fellow worker also has decent wages.

stevieboy308:
i don’t see how it’s the lesson to take away, as this thread is about people on decent wages, i’m guessing, but because of solidarity? that are losing their decent wages. the solidarity thing produces an artificial high level and not a true level and as i said earlier, it might not last forever.

It doesn’t produce an “artificially high” level - unless you see the “natural” level as being one at which the richest get everything and do nothing, whilst the poorest do everything and get nothing.

Collective bargaining amongst workers merely redresses the inbuilt bias in the market that favours bosses. The bosses version of collective bargaining, are the political offices of state that they hold (politicians, judges, etc.), their control of the police force and armies, etc.

stevieboy308:
the way to get decent wages imho is to restrict the number of people who can do the job. that’s why i said on the dcpc thread to make it a pass / fail and make it hard

But that’s the same principle as the closed shop!

The real way to get decent wages, is to share the available work and eliminate competitive labour markets. The DCPC, if it were harder, might reduce competition (by disqualifying a proportion of potential drivers), but it does not share work - in fact, it concentrates the work even more severely than now, whilst leaving the remainder of workers with no work at all.

oh dear

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Angus25:

ste87:

Angus25:

spectron:

Angus25:
Right gum shield in the problem with strikes is supply and demand you go on strike say other drivers back you then you get a newbi struggling to get a job William offers him work via agency for less money newbi gets job pays bills strikers loss out . Same with the pits thatcher could see what would happen with no coal as of the 70s she knew she could get it cheaper from abroad same with drivers. It’s all to do with the common market or as its known Europe. So lads and lasses think before you act we are all replaceable because of Europe.

I don’t think a pits a place to send an untrained agency worker get a grip.

I need to get a grip unions have got to big and powerful and wreck lives I come frome the Durham area my family knows what striking dose takes food off the table Anough said.
The op shouldn’t brag about crossing the picket line

Why is it unions that take food off tables, and not bosses?

Because when the union bosses say go on strike they stay at work having a drink with your boss doing negotiations well your on the picket line with no money.

And what do the bosses do while your on strike (or indeed, if you’re sat on the dole)?

Indeed, I agree many union bosses are ■■■■■ and they should be cut down to size, but they are no ■■■■■■■■ than the capitalists themselves.

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stevieboy308:

ste87:

ste87:

stevieboy308:
there’s a going rate, in my opinion this rate is determined by every man and woman who has the means, eligibility and the ability to drive a truck in the uk. the rate is set when a similar amount people say they’ll drive a truck for that money, rather than do something else for the amount of driving positions in the country.

But why should the “going rate” be determined by the market? The market is set up to enrich the rich and impoverish the poor. If you accept the logic of the market, you accept the right of the rich to get inexorably richer on the backs of the labour of the poorest.

stevieboy308:
how is the market set up?

By the imposition of laws, enforced by an armed body of men - usually with a great deal of overt violence at the outset.

stevieboy308:
how does it enrich the rich and impoverish the poor?

Markets create competition and therefore winners and losers - in other words, markets create rich and poor. The reason why markets enrich the already rich, and further impoverish the already poor, is because those who are already rich are usually in the best position to win any competition.

And in cases where the rich are not guaranteed to win, or where their guarantees are threatened, they use their power and influence to develop or maintain rules under which they are guaranteed to win.

stevieboy308:
why shouldn’t the market decide? the market gives true values of worth, why is that not fair?

The market doesn’t give “true values of worth”. The market is just one normative method of determining value, and the detail of its structure is invariably set up to be favourable to the rich.

stevieboy308:
if the market shouldn’t decide, who should?

Given that “the market deciding” is synonymous here with “the rich deciding”, clearly I think that workers should decide. I would use any method of labour valuation that accounts broadly for time and effort, instead of personal wealth and scarcity.

ste87:

stevieboy308:
it doesn’t matter what side of the to strike or not to strike fence you sit, surely everyone can see if you’re being paid significantly more than the going rate and not in a specialist sector, then it might not last forever.

There may be some truth in that, but the lesson to take away is that if you want to have decent wages, you have to have solidarity, and you have to make sure your fellow worker also has decent wages.

stevieboy308:
i don’t see how it’s the lesson to take away, as this thread is about people on decent wages, i’m guessing, but because of solidarity? that are losing their decent wages. the solidarity thing produces an artificial high level and not a true level and as i said earlier, it might not last forever.

It doesn’t produce an “artificially high” level - unless you see the “natural” level as being one at which the richest get everything and do nothing, whilst the poorest do everything and get nothing.

Collective bargaining amongst workers merely redresses the inbuilt bias in the market that favours bosses. The bosses version of collective bargaining, are the political offices of state that they hold (politicians, judges, etc.), their control of the police force and armies, etc.

stevieboy308:
the way to get decent wages imho is to restrict the number of people who can do the job. that’s why i said on the dcpc thread to make it a pass / fail and make it hard

But that’s the same principle as the closed shop!

The real way to get decent wages, is to share the available work and eliminate competitive labour markets. The DCPC, if it were harder, might reduce competition (by disqualifying a proportion of potential drivers), but it does not share work - in fact, it concentrates the work even more severely than now, whilst leaving the remainder of workers with no work at all.

oh dear

Is that the best you can do?

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ste87:

stevieboy308:

ste87:

ste87:

stevieboy308:
there’s a going rate, in my opinion this rate is determined by every man and woman who has the means, eligibility and the ability to drive a truck in the uk. the rate is set when a similar amount people say they’ll drive a truck for that money, rather than do something else for the amount of driving positions in the country.

But why should the “going rate” be determined by the market? The market is set up to enrich the rich and impoverish the poor. If you accept the logic of the market, you accept the right of the rich to get inexorably richer on the backs of the labour of the poorest.

stevieboy308:
how is the market set up?

By the imposition of laws, enforced by an armed body of men - usually with a great deal of overt violence at the outset.

stevieboy308:
how does it enrich the rich and impoverish the poor?

Markets create competition and therefore winners and losers - in other words, markets create rich and poor. The reason why markets enrich the already rich, and further impoverish the already poor, is because those who are already rich are usually in the best position to win any competition.

And in cases where the rich are not guaranteed to win, or where their guarantees are threatened, they use their power and influence to develop or maintain rules under which they are guaranteed to win.

stevieboy308:
why shouldn’t the market decide? the market gives true values of worth, why is that not fair?

The market doesn’t give “true values of worth”. The market is just one normative method of determining value, and the detail of its structure is invariably set up to be favourable to the rich.

stevieboy308:
if the market shouldn’t decide, who should?

Given that “the market deciding” is synonymous here with “the rich deciding”, clearly I think that workers should decide. I would use any method of labour valuation that accounts broadly for time and effort, instead of personal wealth and scarcity.

ste87:

stevieboy308:
it doesn’t matter what side of the to strike or not to strike fence you sit, surely everyone can see if you’re being paid significantly more than the going rate and not in a specialist sector, then it might not last forever.

There may be some truth in that, but the lesson to take away is that if you want to have decent wages, you have to have solidarity, and you have to make sure your fellow worker also has decent wages.

stevieboy308:
i don’t see how it’s the lesson to take away, as this thread is about people on decent wages, i’m guessing, but because of solidarity? that are losing their decent wages. the solidarity thing produces an artificial high level and not a true level and as i said earlier, it might not last forever.

It doesn’t produce an “artificially high” level - unless you see the “natural” level as being one at which the richest get everything and do nothing, whilst the poorest do everything and get nothing.

Collective bargaining amongst workers merely redresses the inbuilt bias in the market that favours bosses. The bosses version of collective bargaining, are the political offices of state that they hold (politicians, judges, etc.), their control of the police force and armies, etc.

stevieboy308:
the way to get decent wages imho is to restrict the number of people who can do the job. that’s why i said on the dcpc thread to make it a pass / fail and make it hard

But that’s the same principle as the closed shop!

The real way to get decent wages, is to share the available work and eliminate competitive labour markets. The DCPC, if it were harder, might reduce competition (by disqualifying a proportion of potential drivers), but it does not share work - in fact, it concentrates the work even more severely than now, whilst leaving the remainder of workers with no work at all.

oh dear

Is that the best you can do?

i’m a fool don’t forget fella, you were expecting too much

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stevieboy308:

ste87:

stevieboy308:
oh dear

Is that the best you can do?

i’m a fool don’t forget fella, you were expecting too much

Are you? Was I?

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Soldier z:
I would imagine that Tesco saw it as a chance to make savings.
Not in drivers wages but in various other costs.
Buying vehicles,servicing and insuring them plus the ever rising cost of fuel etc.
Then the other sundry items such as uniforms, pension payments,sickness and sick payments the list is probably endless.
You sub the work out you get a contract for x amount of vehicles at x amount of £££’s per wagon.
The haulier factors his cost and progfit margin into it.
If a driver dosen’t roll in for work it’s up to the haulier to cover it.
Tesco don’t have to worry about paying sick pay and an agency driver.
He has the sword of damaclees hanging over him if he can’t come up trumps and forefill the contract another haulier soon will.

I suspect it’s a lost cause.
Stobart won’t raise the offer too far as every other driver will want the same T & C’s and it will set a standard if they have to do the same some where else.
I suspect the offer will have peaked there’s only one way it’s going to go from here and that’s downwards.
Why pay more when they have made it quite clear they won’t accept any offer?
Stobart aren’t going to telephone Tesco and say we give in we can’t get lads to cross a picket line.
They’ll bring in lads from anywhere hey can to cover this.

The union must know it’s over the best they can do now is get their members the best deal they can.
It’s game over at Doncaster take the cash and move on.
How many other driving jobs are there in that area?
Stobart are operating out of Sherburn and Goole do you think they’ll take anyone on if they’re stood picketing and bad mouthing the firm off?
They’ll have the drivers names simple thing to operate a nice little blacklist like yer man put up earlier.

The Unions are finished end of chat.
Those of you who are faithfully paying in each week and month are only paying a mans £100K gold plated pension and for his “company” flat and Range Rover.
They had here chances to change things way back in the 70’s and the 80’s but didn’t.
They even mkanaged to make an arse of the Miners strike.
Had Scargill balleted all the members in all areas he might have got his national strike but he didn’t.
The rest of the unions could have came in and finished Thatcher but didn’t.
I seem to rememer plenty of hauliers bringing in all the coal the coal board had stockpiled.
Theyu didn’t seem to have a problem crossing picket lines.
I suspect as miners and theirs starved some hauliers and drivers had a very good year.
Don’t blame other miners, blame King Arthur who even now is bankrupting the NUM to keep his perks.

Unite are finished they can’t call all wagon drivers out on strike there’s not enough members
The tanker drivers proved that Unite have no power they couldn’t even slow the country down for a few days.
Apart from a burnt woman in York and a few queues from panic buying al they did was line the fuel and goverments pockets with extra sales.
At best they got a score draw.

As to all the lads who say they won’t cross a picket line.
I hope you never have to.
As for going on strike then I admire your principles but it’s a hard man wiling to starve his wife and kids and lose his house and everything else for principle.
Len McClusky and his family won’t have to worry but good luck.

Unite strange name for a union representing members from an industry so divided and cut throat as ours…

What this man said! Best post to date.

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Soldier z:
I would imagine that Tesco saw it as a chance to make savings.
Not in drivers wages but in various other costs.
Buying vehicles,servicing and insuring them plus the ever rising cost of fuel etc.
Then the other sundry items such as uniforms, pension payments,sickness and sick payments the list is probably endless.
You sub the work out you get a contract for x amount of vehicles at x amount of £££’s per wagon.
The haulier factors his cost and progfit margin into it.
If a driver dosen’t roll in for work it’s up to the haulier to cover it.
Tesco don’t have to worry about paying sick pay and an agency driver.
He has the sword of damaclees hanging over him if he can’t come up trumps and forefill the contract another haulier soon will.

I suspect it’s a lost cause.
Stobart won’t raise the offer too far as every other driver will want the same T & C’s and it will set a standard if they have to do the same some where else.
I suspect the offer will have peaked there’s only one way it’s going to go from here and that’s downwards.
Why pay more when they have made it quite clear they won’t accept any offer?
Stobart aren’t going to telephone Tesco and say we give in we can’t get lads to cross a picket line.
They’ll bring in lads from anywhere hey can to cover this.

The union must know it’s over the best they can do now is get their members the best deal they can.
It’s game over at Doncaster take the cash and move on.
How many other driving jobs are there in that area?
Stobart are operating out of Sherburn and Goole do you think they’ll take anyone on if they’re stood picketing and bad mouthing the firm off?
They’ll have the drivers names simple thing to operate a nice little blacklist like yer man put up earlier.

The Unions are finished end of chat.
Those of you who are faithfully paying in each week and month are only paying a mans £100K gold plated pension and for his “company” flat and Range Rover.
They had here chances to change things way back in the 70’s and the 80’s but didn’t.
They even mkanaged to make an arse of the Miners strike.
Had Scargill balleted all the members in all areas he might have got his national strike but he didn’t.
The rest of the unions could have came in and finished Thatcher but didn’t.
I seem to rememer plenty of hauliers bringing in all the coal the coal board had stockpiled.
Theyu didn’t seem to have a problem crossing picket lines.
I suspect as miners and theirs starved some hauliers and drivers had a very good year.
Don’t blame other miners, blame King Arthur who even now is bankrupting the NUM to keep his perks.

Unite are finished they can’t call all wagon drivers out on strike there’s not enough members
The tanker drivers proved that Unite have no power they couldn’t even slow the country down for a few days.
Apart from a burnt woman in York and a few queues from panic buying al they did was line the fuel and goverments pockets with extra sales.
At best they got a score draw.

As to all the lads who say they won’t cross a picket line.
I hope you never have to.
As for going on strike then I admire your principles but it’s a hard man wiling to starve his wife and kids and lose his house and everything else for principle.
Len McClusky and his family won’t have to worry but good luck.

Unite strange name for a union representing members from an industry so divided and cut throat as ours…

nice post, spot on.