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UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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NewLad:

spectron:

spectron:

NewLad:

yorkshire terrier:

NewLad:

r slicker:
Well as a former North Notts miner i would like to ask how old all these idiots who are calling me personally a scab do you know the facts or are you surmising as normal ■■.

get a life idiot.

They wont answer you because they are too thick to understand what happened. To some we will always be Scabs makes me laugh when I go to a football match and 15 year old Yorkshire kids call you a scab, I was only a baby when the minors strike was on so I ■■■■ well you weren’t even [zb] born.

last night when i read the op first post starting the thread it really annoyed me and when i saw where he was from i thought wot a [zb].
i ment no personal offence to no one but i lived through this first hand and it was hard real hard.
i have no love for either tesco and definately not stobart but these boys and girls are fighting for what they have worked for.

Like you I don’t agree with people crossing picket lines and undermining what people are fighting for but at the end of the day I have a wife and 2 kids and if I don’t earn the money they don’t eat and that will never happen I would go and work somewhere else if I was agency!
At the end of the day the people going in and bailing ESL and Tesco’s on agency/subbie are going for short term gain but in the long run they are driving down the rates for drivers across the country and to those of you think it wont happen to you next.

The minors strike was a farce and they could have won if Scargil knew what he was doing

Wtf do you know. Just carry on commenting whilst your heads up your arse.

It would have been won if the scabby notts area come out on strike.

How can they be Scabby you stupid ■■■■ they were never balloted to strike you thick thick ■■■■ no wonder you ended up a driver

Why did all the notts miners leave the NUM and form there own union the UDM.
So they didnt have do strike daft ■■■■■ That’s a scab in my book. Once a scab always a scab daft ■■■■■

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I fail to understand why a post regarding some striking Tesco drivers has turned into a post slagging off people from Nottinghamshire. Owt for trouble eh?

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This thread has turned into the fight of the keyboard warriors :smiling_imp: :laughing:

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Lol saddo’s

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At risk of changing the downward spiral of this thread I have one question. If I am employed to deliver goods from point A to point B and on arrival at point B I find a picket, I would have no idea if it was official or unofficial on arrival, If I refuse to cross the picket line would I then be in trouble with my employer. Or would the employer have to warn me I would have to cross the picket line before setting off. I would be a non union worker.

Secondly Unions are a good idea in principle but they always seem to get hijacked by the same leaders. How many times do you see on TV the shop stewards and leaders of the union who are all out of the same mould, all normally east London types and all seem to be intent on threatening rather than listening. I know thats a bit of a generalisation but I think its fair. Rarely do you seem to see anyone try to use common sense. Also I remember in Scargills day seeing him “rallying” the lads from his Jag and his plush office. Its very easy to call people out when you have ■■■■■■■■■ of cash behind you. A Union will only work if everyone sticks to it and in this day and age people wont.

Tin hat on…

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ste87:

stevieboy308:
there’s a going rate, in my opinion this rate is determined by every man and woman who has the means, eligibility and the ability to drive a truck in the uk. the rate is set when a similar amount people say they’ll drive a truck for that money, rather than do something else for the amount of driving positions in the country.

But why should the “going rate” be determined by the market? The market is set up to enrich the rich and impoverish the poor. If you accept the logic of the market, you accept the right of the rich to get inexorably richer on the backs of the labour of the poorest.

stevieboy308:
how is the market set up?

By the imposition of laws, enforced by an armed body of men - usually with a great deal of overt violence at the outset.

stevieboy308:
how does it enrich the rich and impoverish the poor?

Markets create competition and therefore winners and losers - in other words, markets create rich and poor. The reason why markets enrich the already rich, and further impoverish the already poor, is because those who are already rich are usually in the best position to win any competition.

And in cases where the rich are not guaranteed to win, or where their guarantees are threatened, they use their power and influence to develop or maintain rules under which they are guaranteed to win.

stevieboy308:
why shouldn’t the market decide? the market gives true values of worth, why is that not fair?

The market doesn’t give “true values of worth”. The market is just one normative method of determining value, and the detail of its structure is invariably set up to be favourable to the rich.

stevieboy308:
if the market shouldn’t decide, who should?

Given that “the market deciding” is synonymous here with “the rich deciding”, clearly I think that workers should decide. I would use any method of labour valuation that accounts broadly for time and effort, instead of personal wealth and scarcity.

ste87:

stevieboy308:
it doesn’t matter what side of the to strike or not to strike fence you sit, surely everyone can see if you’re being paid significantly more than the going rate and not in a specialist sector, then it might not last forever.

There may be some truth in that, but the lesson to take away is that if you want to have decent wages, you have to have solidarity, and you have to make sure your fellow worker also has decent wages.

stevieboy308:
i don’t see how it’s the lesson to take away, as this thread is about people on decent wages, i’m guessing, but because of solidarity? that are losing their decent wages. the solidarity thing produces an artificial high level and not a true level and as i said earlier, it might not last forever.

It doesn’t produce an “artificially high” level - unless you see the “natural” level as being one at which the richest get everything and do nothing, whilst the poorest do everything and get nothing.

Collective bargaining amongst workers merely redresses the inbuilt bias in the market that favours bosses. The bosses version of collective bargaining, are the political offices of state that they hold (politicians, judges, etc.), their control of the police force and armies, etc.

stevieboy308:
the way to get decent wages imho is to restrict the number of people who can do the job. that’s why i said on the dcpc thread to make it a pass / fail and make it hard

But that’s the same principle as the closed shop!

The real way to get decent wages, is to share the available work and eliminate competitive labour markets. The DCPC, if it were harder, might reduce competition (by disqualifying a proportion of potential drivers), but it does not share work - in fact, it concentrates the work even more severely than now, whilst leaving the remainder of workers with no work at all.

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Juddian:

haribo4000:

stevieboy308:
the way to get decent wages imho is to restrict the number of people who can do the job. that’s why i said on the dcpc thread to make it a pass / fail and make it hard

This I definitely agree with.

Me too…

Dear oh dear!

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spectron:

spectron:

NewLad:

yorkshire terrier:

NewLad:

r slicker:
Well as a former North Notts miner i would like to ask how old all these idiots who are calling me personally a scab do you know the facts or are you surmising as normal ■■.

get a life idiot.

They wont answer you because they are too thick to understand what happened. To some we will always be Scabs makes me laugh when I go to a football match and 15 year old Yorkshire kids call you a scab, I was only a baby when the minors strike was on so I ■■■■ well you weren’t even [zb] born.

last night when i read the op first post starting the thread it really annoyed me and when i saw where he was from i thought wot a [zb].
i ment no personal offence to no one but i lived through this first hand and it was hard real hard.
i have no love for either tesco and definately not stobart but these boys and girls are fighting for what they have worked for.

Like you I don’t agree with people crossing picket lines and undermining what people are fighting for but at the end of the day I have a wife and 2 kids and if I don’t earn the money they don’t eat and that will never happen I would go and work somewhere else if I was agency!
At the end of the day the people going in and bailing ESL and Tesco’s on agency/subbie are going for short term gain but in the long run they are driving down the rates for drivers across the country and to those of you think it wont happen to you next.

The minors strike was a farce and they could have won if Scargil knew what he was doing

Wtf do you know. Just carry on commenting whilst your heads up your arse.

It would have been won if the scabby notts area come out on strike.

And if there hadn’t been all those stockpiles… and if there had been a vote… etc.

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FFS,

No wonder the UK has gone down hill, how can you call a driver a scab … them noobs on the Pickect line have had it too good for too long … now the gravy train has run out they are panicking and will have no job … A driver who works for Stobart is not employed by Tesco RDC doncaster so has to do his job … SCAB for putting bread on his table the Union had to too good for too long remember drivers when you lose your jobs the bigwigs in the union will not give a flying [zb] about you or your family as long as you pay your membership fee’s they are selling you down the river simple.

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never crossed a picket line yet, and never will.

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“them noobs” as you call them have attained their terms and conditions over years of consultation and dialouge with their former employers (tesco) and so,have earned their right for a decent set of terms and conditions in their employment,not easily attained,and definatley are entitled to what they achieved.
blame the poles,blame the employers,blame drivers…at the end of the day…with the op"s and anyone who agrees with his “im alright jack,cross the picket line” attitude then crack on,and let the victorian employers once again screw you out of decent pay and conditions…but dont come whining when you are on mimimum wage,maximum hours and wondering if you"ve got a job next week when YOU allow employers to walk all over you.
and mike c…the drivers may have been offered alternative employment,possibly even their old jobs back…but it will be on a lot less money.
absolutley disgusting…and even worse that some of you lot are agreeing with stobarts and tescos principles…shame on you.

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A warehouse rat from nobby dingle dangle called me a ■■■■■■ earlier. I dont think he knew me, just a lucky guess I think.

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ste87:
If you behave like that, the job you have will end up being a [zb] job with [zb] pay, and so will everybody else’s.!

So I take it you don’t set foot inside a cab unless it pays at least £10? You work for less? You’re as guilty as everyone else for driving wages down.

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spectron:

Angus25:
Right gum shield in the problem with strikes is supply and demand you go on strike say other drivers back you then you get a newbi struggling to get a job William offers him work via agency for less money newbi gets job pays bills strikers loss out . Same with the pits thatcher could see what would happen with no coal as of the 70s she knew she could get it cheaper from abroad same with drivers. It’s all to do with the common market or as its known Europe. So lads and lasses think before you act we are all replaceable because of Europe.

I don’t think a pits a place to send an untrained agency worker get a grip.

I need to get a grip unions have got to big and powerful and wreck lives I come frome the Durham area my family knows what striking dose takes food off the table Anough said.
The op shouldn’t brag about crossing the picket line

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steviebyday:
never crossed a picket line yet, and never will.

I can guarantee you if the choice was crossing it and keeping your job or not and getting your P45 on return, you’d cross it.

You will of course come back all typical socialist mouthy scouse about it but when the cards are on the table and its a choice between upsetting some people you don’t know and not having your house repossessed, you’ll make sure you keep your house.

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The driver wage’s is all about supply and demand, as with anything else. While ever the market is flooded then wages wont go up.Employers will see this and realise they are paying over the odds, TESCO!
I’ve been driving long enough to have seen wages start to rise twice, first before the pits were shutting wages were on the increase, then the pits closed and it felt like every miner in the country got their class1 and the wages went down, now its the EU bods forcing them down, IMO. My first weeks take home in 1988 was £374, 24 years ago, that doesn’t seem a bad wage now!

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I started in 1987 on £5.15ph class 1. 2012 its £7.75. Been in the union most of those years and l dont think they’ve made much of a difference in helping this industry obtain a decent wage. :open_mouth:

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Unions just want money. Nothing else interests them. They don’t care whether you get paid 50k or 30k a year, just keep those subs coming in.

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If wages have risen 62% in 25 years, and inflation has halved the buying power of wages in about the same time, then we’re all earning a third less in real terms than 25 years ago.

We don’t get by from day to day when buying those things that have got cheaper over the years, like white goods and consumer electronicts.

It’s Food, Bills, Fuel, and Rents/readily available mortgages that have gone up.

Give it another 10 years, and so many drivers will have hung up their keys due to retirement or no DCPC by then that the trucking world will finally be short of drivers willing to cross picket lines, be the coward on the “do it, or P45” threats from employers, etc.

Politicians have really pulled a rabbit out of the hat when they’ve managed to impress upon the country at large that “to stand against your skinflint employer means you are scum” but "to cross a picket line for a here-today-gone-tomorrow job is “cool” and somehow capitalist.

Capitalism wasn’t allowed to solve the banking crisis. How can we have any faith in politicians letting it solve the transport crisis?
To push down wages demand, the supply of drivers has increased. Brought in from abroard, or allowed to do the job with a poor safetly record, or even allowed to do the job beyond the safe age of 60, let alone 65.

I reckon we need a black swan event in this country to shake the entire system up, and force a total reform of this, and other sectors of the economy. :neutral_face:

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Ok,the Miners strike is pushing the line towards being off topic here , but if you can discuss it without personal attacks or auto censor dodges then it can stay :wink:

( a small hint to those of you dodging the auto censor, putting spaces in the middle of words that the auto censor would change doesn’t suddenly make the words OK to use :imp: )