I think your post Wheel Nut proves how desperate ESL are to get their trampers to do some work without costing the firm an absolute fortune.
After reading enough threads about ESL on TNUK and from what I’ve seen and heard from ESL drivers myself. I can bet for every down to earth grafting ESL tramper there are five of his pals spinning the day out on POA and catching Zzz at every RDC from Preston to Plymouth…
I think this ESL scheme is a good screw if you want to start a truck firm and build up a good credit history with it. As for anybody else who just wants the keys to a new truck and their name in small print on the back of the cab, remember the old saying
AlexWignall:
I think your post Wheel Nut proves how desperate ESL are to get their trampers to do some work without costing the firm an absolute fortune.
After reading enough threads about ESL on TNUK and from what I’ve seen and heard from ESL drivers myself. I can bet for every down to earth grafting ESL tramper there are five of his pals spinning the day out on POA and catching Zzz at every RDC from Preston to Plymouth…
I think this ESL scheme is a good screw if you want to start a truck firm and build up a good credit history with it. As for anybody else who just wants the keys to a new truck and their name in small print on the back of the cab, remember the old saying
“Beware of Greeks bearing gifts…”
i would hazard guess at more than 5 spinning the day out. i am guilty of pinching an hour here or there, but usually days are all go go go, but there again im not on the general side of things.
regarding the od scheme…no way would i want the hassle of finding someone to cover my rest days! unless they would let you split the job with another driver and work four on/four off??
Why would ‘they’ have to let you do that? You’re supposed to be the OD, if you want to pay a driver to pilot YOUR truck around for four days in every eight that would be your decision…
All ‘they’ have to do is sit back and take YOUR money while you advertise THEIR company…
Wheel Nut:
Cor! look what dropped through my letterbox this morning. I have used quote marks just to separate the advert from my own comments.
Eddie Stobart is requiring 50 Owner Drivers to be working from October 2011.
What we require from you:
Be a tramper, ideally based in Yorkshire, North West or Midlands.
A certificate of Professional Competence (“CPC”) held by yourself.
A course has been arranged for late August/early September 2011 at Widnes to gain a CPC
Exam date is 9th September 2011. Results are expected 2/3 weeks after the exam.
Have an O licence.
Around £5000 for initial start up costs.
Eddie Stobart will provide:
Guaranteed regular work.
A fully maintained BRAND NEW tractor unit including R&M (service costs), Isotrak costs for a fixed monthly cost.
Tyres charged on a usage, (pence per mile) basis.
Trailers.
Insurance.
Toll tags.
Fuel.
Parking.
Your responsibilities include:
Your current driver duties.
Manning of the vehicle including your rest days when required.
Booking and delivering of vehicle for servicing and MOT
Eddie Stobart will also provide assistance (via an independent third party) at a fixed start up cost with:
Accounting/book keeping services.
Tax Services.
Cashflow planning services.
TO APPLY. Please pick up an application form from your Operations Manager
OPEN TO ESL EMPLOYEES ONLY
Wheel Nuts stick in spokes mode:
CPC Result. 8 to 10 weeks after exam
Operator Licence Application. Allow up to 9 weeks. Do not acquire vehicle until licence is granted
Financial Requirements £8100
Sufficient cash to pay spare driver or drivers for rest periods No excuses for I cannot get a driver tonight
Are they really an owner driver, they cannot plan their own work, I doubt they can go and pull for Wincantons, DHL or Norbert Dentressangle tomorrow evening.
Tyres. How many pence per mile?
Fuel. At what cost per litre and how long are payment terms?
I think this is enough to start with.
Just remember the GAR
Why would anyone even think about applying for that? Some other kid in this thread replied saying it sounded like “a good screw” - WTF!? How the ■■■■ can he possibly know that when the most important part of the blurb has been omitted : rates. All the guarantees in the world mean absolutely ■■■■ all without knowing what the rates are and I highly doubt that they will be open to negotiation on them. It’ll be their rate or not at all.
AlexWignall:
I think your post Wheel Nut proves how desperate ESL are to get their trampers to do some work without costing the firm an absolute fortune.
After reading enough threads about ESL on TNUK and from what I’ve seen and heard from ESL drivers myself. I can bet for every down to earth grafting ESL tramper there are five of his pals spinning the day out on POA and catching Zzz at every RDC from Preston to Plymouth…
I think this ESL scheme is a good screw if you want to start a truck firm and build up a good credit history with it. As for anybody else who just wants the keys to a new truck and their name in small print on the back of the cab, remember the old saying
“Beware of Greeks bearing gifts…”
i would hazard guess at more than 5 spinning the day out. i am guilty of pinching an hour here or there, but usually days are all go go go, but there again im not on the general side of things.
regarding the od scheme…no way would i want the hassle of finding someone to cover my rest days! unless they would let you split the job with another driver and work four on/four off??
I would say the obvious way to start out would be to find a driver you could trust to cover three or four days out of seven and pay yourselves a set rate for each day.
Run the thing till the wheels drop off carefully paying the minimum possible (on time) to keep it going. Sort your own Accountant and bookeeper and pay you and your pal as little as you can afford.
Save what you can. Keep an eye out for drivers you can trust and put another one on the road when you can. Repeat…
Not my cup of tea but the terms look pretty generous so why not?
If you think all ESL want are drivers on the cheap you might as well make the most of it.
Piston broke:
Why would ‘they’ have to let you do that? You’re supposed to be the OD, if you want to pay a driver to pilot YOUR truck around for four days in every eight that would be your decision…
All ‘they’ have to do is sit back and take YOUR money while you advertise THEIR company…
was thinking along lines of splitting the cost with a pal!
I can see happysacks idea working, a couple of good mates pool their resources, four on four off, one does the minimal paperwork the other does the maintenance bit, running the truck around to garages for service and inspection.
As I say I can see it working, for about a month, when ones get a bit of favoritism or scratches a bumper, then the yard will be covered in blood and two good mates never speak again except in court
The easiest way to stay mates is to share a Stobart truck, work four on and four off and pick up your Stobart paycheck up every Friday
Wheel Nut:
Cor! look what dropped through my letterbox this morning. I have used quote marks just to separate the advert from my own comments.
Eddie Stobart is requiring 50 Owner Drivers to be working from October 2011.
What we require from you:
Be a tramper, ideally based in Yorkshire, North West or Midlands.
A certificate of Professional Competence (“CPC”) held by yourself.
A course has been arranged for late August/early September 2011 at Widnes to gain a CPC
Exam date is 9th September 2011. Results are expected 2/3 weeks after the exam.
Have an O licence.
Around £5000 for initial start up costs.
Eddie Stobart will provide:
Guaranteed regular work.
A fully maintained BRAND NEW tractor unit including R&M (service costs), Isotrak costs for a fixed monthly cost.
Tyres charged on a usage, (pence per mile) basis.
Trailers.
Insurance.
Toll tags.
Fuel.
Parking.
Your responsibilities include:
Your current driver duties.
Manning of the vehicle including your rest days when required.
Booking and delivering of vehicle for servicing and MOT
Eddie Stobart will also provide assistance (via an independent third party) at a fixed start up cost with:
Accounting/book keeping services.
Tax Services.
Cashflow planning services.
TO APPLY. Please pick up an application form from your Operations Manager
OPEN TO ESL EMPLOYEES ONLY
Wheel Nuts stick in spokes mode:
CPC Result. 8 to 10 weeks after exam
Operator Licence Application. Allow up to 9 weeks. Do not acquire vehicle until licence is granted
Financial Requirements £8100
Sufficient cash to pay spare driver or drivers for rest periods No excuses for I cannot get a driver tonight
Are they really an owner driver, they cannot plan their own work, I doubt they can go and pull for Wincantons, DHL or Norbert Dentressangle tomorrow evening.
Tyres. How many pence per mile?
Fuel. At what cost per litre and how long are payment terms?
I think this is enough to start with.
Just remember the GAR
Why would anyone even think about applying for that? Some other kid in this thread replied saying it sounded like “a good screw” - WTF!? How the [zb] can he possibly know that when the most important part of the blurb has been omitted : rates. All the guarantees in the world mean absolutely [zb] all without knowing what the rates are and I highly doubt that they will be open to negotiation on them. It’ll be their rate or not at all.
For sure the rates are important Rob but I would be just as interested in having a company with a crystal clear AAA credit history.
No way could you get rich with ESL but it is in their intrest to pay you enough to keep the show on the road.
I do think it would be a good screw out of ESL if you’re switched on and I stand by my statement.
If it was me I wouldn’t be asking why changing would be good for me, but instead asking why it would be good for them.
ESL are in business so they must believe a change is good for their business. This scheme won’t enhance revenue so it must create efficiency (for them). The first thing would be no employers NI contributions, but of course it would be ESL who would gain there, not the new ‘O/D’. So, at best, the O/D’s would have the hassle of running their own business without any extra financial reward.
Of course ESL might see that there could be an opportunity get extra efficiencies by loading extra costs and/or workload onto the 'O/D’s. So then, unless somehow there is extra revenue in this system, the newly self-employed drivers would have to be worse off.
I wouldn’t expect my “carelessly mislaid” leaflet to mention rates, nor would I expect anyone to publish them on an open website.
The actual application form may make a mention of the ideas of payment, but, what, per mile, per load, per drop, per day or per trailer?
3 hours in an RDC, do they get paid for all of it, some of it or none of it?
Someone after a more sedate lifestyle may instead consider Maritime, similar deal, new truck, trailer hire and fuel, and never having to re-stack a spilled pallet!
AlexWignall:
For sure the rates are important Rob but I would be just as interested in having a company with a crystal clear AAA credit history.
No way could you get rich with ESL but it is in their intrest to pay you enough to keep the show on the road.
I do think it would be a good screw out of ESL if you’re switched on and I stand by my statement.
W
I don’t. At all. This blurb Malc has posted is basically the honeytrap to get you in. I’ll bet you any money you like that in the actual contract they’ll have you over a barrel at all times with “we reserve the right to” clauses, penalties, fines, exclusions, yada yada all over it. In fact I’ll bet you that money right now without even seeing the contract, that’s how sure I am. You’ve got to look at it from their point of view - if it’s such a “good screw” why are we/they doing it themselves? Tells you all you need to know. You don’t get owt for nowt in business.
frankybaby:
Eddie is ONLY ever going to to what is best for EDDIE
eddies dead ,im sure hes not too bothered about stobarts and o/d at this point
Eddie is dead…REALLY, I never knew!!!
Dogtanian:
I met a stobart owner driver last week (big man on you)
And had a joke about the uniform he said no do we [zb] I just go dressed like this
Old oily jeans and old top like he had been doing jobs on the lorry
He said he bought an ex stobart 07 scania with 400,000 miles on it for 5 qrand
I said where do I sing up the
Old eddie would be turning in his grave
No uniform
Well what he dont know cant harm him
i think you have messed up there by replying to your own post. Did you try and use a different name?
frankybaby:
Eddie is ONLY ever going to to what is best for EDDIE
eddies dead ,im sure hes not too bothered about stobarts and o/d at this point
Eddie is dead…REALLY, I never knew!!!
Dogtanian:
I met a stobart owner driver last week (big man on you)
And had a joke about the uniform he said no do we [zb] I just go dressed like this
Old oily jeans and old top like he had been doing jobs on the lorry
He said he bought an ex stobart 07 scania with 400,000 miles on it for 5 qrand
I said where do I sing up the
Old eddie would be turning in his grave
No uniform
Well what he dont know cant harm him
i think you have messed up there by replying to your own post. Did you try and use a different name?
How is it an Owner Driver scheme? They provide the truck!
Pay £5000 and get your O License and CPC then hire your own wagon and pick your own work!
I believe this is a test to see how many will take up! And then try to do it across the company to save them employment costs for full-time drivers!
Imagine being held up tipping in Tesco Purfleet for 3 to 4 hours! How much would these OD loose in wedge! Or if late for delivery! Will the OD end up paying any fines/charges!
I work there and I wouldn’t count on the planning,never mind the Bigger Depots! Robbing your work for their own drivers be they fulltimers or their Owner Drivers!
I’m gonna watch this real closely! And see how it pans out!
I wouldn’t ■■■■ on Stobbies if they were on fire! By the way!
AlexWignall:
For sure the rates are important Rob but I would be just as interested in having a company with a crystal clear AAA credit history.
No way could you get rich with ESL but it is in their intrest to pay you enough to keep the show on the road.
I do think it would be a good screw out of ESL if you’re switched on and I stand by my statement.
W
I don’t. At all. This blurb Malc has posted is basically the honeytrap to get you in. I’ll bet you any money you like that in the actual contract they’ll have you over a barrel at all times with “we reserve the right to” clauses, penalties, fines, exclusions, yada yada all over it. In fact I’ll bet you that money right now without even seeing the contract, that’s how sure I am. You’ve got to look at it from their point of view - if it’s such a “good screw” why are we/they doing it themselves? Tells you all you need to know. You don’t get owt for nowt in business.
I don’t think you are really reading my posts Rob.
The ESL o/d scheme is simply a device for ESL to have cheap and pliant trampers. It’s obvious to anyone even a outsider like me (I have never worked for ESL and I’ve only watched one of their programmes on TV).
The thing is Rob if I ran ESL I would exactly the same. All I’m trying to do is put forward a lateral view.
ESL will have to hold the hands of their new start ups because it is in their intrests for them to survive. That will mean making sure the bills get paid on time, hence the AAA credit history.
As long as you pay your bills your credit history is yours not ESLs. If you have a firm in three to five years from now with a good credit history the oppertunities outside transport could be fantastic.
AlexWignall:
For sure the rates are important Rob but I would be just as interested in having a company with a crystal clear AAA credit history.
No way could you get rich with ESL but it is in their intrest to pay you enough to keep the show on the road.
I do think it would be a good screw out of ESL if you’re switched on and I stand by my statement.
W
I don’t. At all. This blurb Malc has posted is basically the honeytrap to get you in. I’ll bet you any money you like that in the actual contract they’ll have you over a barrel at all times with “we reserve the right to” clauses, penalties, fines, exclusions, yada yada all over it. In fact I’ll bet you that money right now without even seeing the contract, that’s how sure I am. You’ve got to look at it from their point of view - if it’s such a “good screw” why are we/they doing it themselves? Tells you all you need to know. You don’t get owt for nowt in business.
I don’t think you are really reading my posts Rob.
The ESL o/d scheme is simply a device for ESL to have cheap and pliant trampers. It’s obvious to anyone even a outsider like me (I have never worked for ESL and I’ve only watched one of their programmes on TV).
The thing is Rob if I ran ESL I would exactly the same. All I’m trying to do is put forward a lateral view.
ESL will have to hold the hands of their new start ups because it is in their intrests for them to survive. That will mean making sure the bills get paid on time, hence the AAA credit history.
As long as you pay your bills your credit history is yours not ESLs. If you have a firm in three to five years from now with a good credit history the oppertunities outside transport could be fantastic.
so if u get a fine for a late delivery who pays the fine if its late because u sat in a yard for a few hrs waitin for someone else to bring it up from the place its been picked up from
Are they really an owner driver, they cannot plan their own work, I doubt they can go and pull for Wincantons, DHL or Norbert Dentressangle tomorrow evening.
