monarch of the highway:
Not knocking you for wanting to do it iv been on my own for a while nw n i had so many people saying dnt do it but i done it cos i wanted to not to get rich not to go on an ego trip some weeks arr good some weeks arr bad but thats life if you want any advice drop me a pm im no expert but i havnt gone bust n iv gt a few quid in the bank what i will say is these deals are not as good as they apear n there arr ova ways of owning a truck
ta
I ve got the leaflet right next to me here but there aint no way im posting it as their are too many spies on here from ESL!! 
go on post it “what are the spies going to do go running back to ESL and tell tales”
after all its an ESL idea in the 1st place
Moose,you dont really know how close to the truth you are with that statement!!!
happysack:
ady1. ffs, why would you consider if? after all you tell us about your easy job where you are taking home mega bucks for day work, you want to jack that for paying them to become a tramper? I’m baffled. i really am. from what i have read, you are a fridge day man running out of, newark? you confess to stringing the job out.now you want pack that in, to be run ragged week in week out to make a pound?
you tell us all your wages…well buddy i tramp mon to fri for stobarts. maxing my hours and four nights out and don’t make what you allegedly make…stick to your own job, your on a winner.
and ps don’t think stobart will let you make a million on his back.
where have i ever said mega bucks for a days work 
where have i said i string the job out,as ive said i do the long runs that others dont want,if i start this morning at 5 a.m and my collection is at 5 p.m ,ive then got 21/2 hrs back to the yard then its going to be along day 
,yes i spent 4 hrs fast asleep in a layby, but they new exactly where i was as they told me to park it there until i could go into my collection at 3p.m,just because you do 70/80 hrs p.w doesnt mean your strining it out it just means you do the long runs that the folks who only want to do 8 hrs wont.
as for allegedly what i make,put your money where your mouth is,p.m me your adress and ill send a wage/wage slips then you send the bet money,or name me where you want to meet and ill bring the wage slips and you bring the cash,you forget your mon-fri[7.75 p.h],im sat-wed[2 days [sat/sun are 10/11 p.h],i dont do mon-fri[5 days],i do like this week, sat-thurs,15 hrs on my o/t shift,but as i say,put your money where your mouth is,im quite happy to have a bet,just name the price,but make it worth it,no silly 100/200 bets
as for tramping/run ragged,if thats true then its my choice,my 5k so dont worry about it,just carry on what your doing,if your happy good on you,i couldnt careless what you do,so dont worry about me ill be fine
Rob K:
AlexWignall:
Wheel Nut:
I am more interested in the legal side of it. So you stump up 5k and get a new lorry you don’t own, you cannot choose who to work for, or work for anyone else, and they are doing your MOT and services, and for an extra cost will do your accounts. (I bet they will)
It was already muted about the Financial Standing, currently £8100 for the first vehicle. As from 4th December 2011 it is no longer possible to just have a credit card with sufficient bounce in it at the back of a drawer. There needs to be professional audited accounts with projections available.
The vehicle will need to be running 7 days a week, have you got enough money to pay a good trusted driver for the other shifts?
I can see many tears before bedtime.
The worst part though will be the choice of colour scheme, no wet dreams of a blinged up truck with hundreds of lights, they may let you choose the colour of your sleeping bag or duvet though!
On the plus side for Eddy, think how their bills for damaged trailers will be reduced, now the drivers will be paying him for all the slashed curtains and bent bumper bars.
Is it possible the £5000 is the cash to add ‘your’ truck onto the ESL O Licence?
If ESL did this they would be able to charge their new ‘owner drivers’ rent for the Operating Centre and a management fee for those without a CPC.
I think it’s a brilliant scheme for ESL and virtual slavery for the poor sod doing the driving.
Like you said Wheel Nut, don’t even think of dinging your truck or a trailer because you know the R+M are just going to nail your hat on.
Imagine washing your truck in the depot
“wash sir? that will be £25 please”
all these costs knocked off your invoice at the end of ninety days.Like I said before, the gifted few might make some cash but most drivers will end up paying ESL just to do their own job.
W
I can’t wait for the first person to come on here and say that they’re an OD for Stobbard, it’s gonna be so much fun!
i think billy you really ought to get out more,if i get on it ill come on here and i really couldnt give a flying zb what you or your mates say,because we all know its only because your hiding behind your keyboard youll say it,evvery week folks have there sly little pops at stobart drivers,but in 31/2 years ive never had one say one little word, 
typical gutless ■■■■■,
Fileep:
Could it be like a franchise where you rent everything, so technically its all still owned by Stobarts so no need for your own O’licence? Would it be like a limited company thing that some agency drivers do? I can understand why they are doing it, passing the headache and cost’s of it being stood on to some poor sap daft enough to sign up(ady1 gone quiet, he must be on the way to the bank)! GAR
That sounds a bit like Peter Cooks, I think those lads made a living, but not a lot more.
ady1:
where have i ever said mega bucks for a days worki do the long runs that others dont want,if i start this morning at 5 a.m and my collection is at 5 p.m ,ive then got 21/2 hrs back to the yard then its going to be along day
yes i spent 4 hrs fast asleep in a layby, but they new exactly where i was as they told me to park it there until i could go into my collection at 3p.m,
just because you do 70/80 hrs p.w doesnt mean your strining it out it just means you do the long runs that the folks who only want to do 8 hrs wont.
I have split your quote up for clarity without editing it.
It is the long runs that may kill the job, most people in road haulage will agree that 3 trailers a day into somewhere local will give more profit then an Aberdeen from Milton Keynes.
Stobbard will not pay an owner driver 4 hours to sit in a layby, that is what they will be trying to cut out from the wages bill.
If there are owner drivers from these who do 8 hours, you will suddenly find they want more of your hours.
I remember a few of your old posts, one was about a job for life, but the one I recall now is the one that says your planners are useless and send trucks to collect loads what are not there. Remember these same planners will be gambling with your 5 grand.
Wheel Nut:
ady1:
where have i ever said mega bucks for a days worki do the long runs that others dont want,if i start this morning at 5 a.m and my collection is at 5 p.m ,ive then got 21/2 hrs back to the yard then its going to be along day
yes i spent 4 hrs fast asleep in a layby, but they new exactly where i was as they told me to park it there until i could go into my collection at 3p.m,
just because you do 70/80 hrs p.w doesnt mean your strining it out it just means you do the long runs that the folks who only want to do 8 hrs wont.
I have split your quote up for clarity without editing it.
It is the long runs that may kill the job, most people in road haulage will agree that 3 trailers a day into somewhere local will give more profit then an Aberdeen from Milton Keynes.
Stobbard will not pay an owner driver 4 hours to sit in a layby, that is what they will be trying to cut out from the wages bill.
If there are owner drivers from these who do 8 hours, you will suddenly find they want more of your hours.
I remember a few of your old posts, one was about a job for life, but the one I recall now is the one that says your planners are useless and send trucks to collect loads what are not there. Remember these same planners will be gambling with your 5 grand.
but th point is wheelnut its my choice/my life/my decisions,just because joe bloggs thinks its a crap idea and doesnt want to do it then nobody else is allowed too,if i loose 5k so what,i didnt earn it i got given it +loads more through a relative dying,there not going to worry about it,im not,my moneys still in savingsetc.
zb hell wheelnut weve now got a stobart tramper saying why give up your easy life to be RUN RAGGED as a stobart tramper [them zb are starting to believe there own hype
as for youll not be able to sleep for 4/5/6 hrs a day,do they think i was born a stobart fridge driver,never worked anywhere else as i say i do what im told to do[yes man 
]if i tip sittingbourne at 8.30 a.m,and then give me a collections out of hoddeson at 5 p.m,its not rocket science youll have to park up somewhere for a fair few hours is it,but if im told to go tramping tommorrow and i get run RAGGED for 15 hrs ill just have to cope with it somehow ,whatever im not bothered,ill just get on with it,and whatll be will be ,i mean the ones not doing it seem more worried than the ones who might be doing it.
anyway off to bed,im going to have to put a full shift in now,feeling quilty about all my fellow brother being ran ragged 24/7
No, you go for it ady1, as you say you have nothing to lose and you will make [zb] millions.
I was just trying to steer the others along and reminding them about the downsides and legal small print. but i can see you have it all worked out!
can anyone else see that sitting 4 hours in a layby as a owner driver won’t pay?
if i slept that much i might have enough driving hours to do an extra shift every other saturday (like most other stobart trampers manage)
i don’t do general haulage, i do chipliners, very rare I’ll see a booking in time. i choose to be runRAGGED because it passes time quicker and gets me home a decent time on a friday afternoon. yes ady i have weekends off…i have a family… and life.
but i am also looking at the owner driver idea…
better get my sleep too. i might have to do a ‘long’ run!
happysack:
can anyone else see that sitting 4 hours in a layby as a owner driver won’t pay?
Absolutely I can. Wheels not going round = no ppm.
So at what these days? £1.20/mile? 4 hrs x 50mph = 200 mls x 1.20 = £240 - £115 fuel (assuming 8.5mpg) = £125 x say 3 times a week = £375/week x 50 = £18,750/year
It was sitting in Tesco Middlewich providing free storage for 4 - 5 at hours at a time that ended my foray into ODship. Thanks Tesco & Beeline Transport. (I was green then & didn’t realise I could have been charging demurrage).
HOWEVER: having read this thread & being fairly impartial, I can assure the nay sayers that one of, if not THE, most successful haulier in the country will not have entered into this without some thought. Yes ofcourse it will be beneficial to them, but on the other hand it certainly would not be in their best interests to see OD’s packing in (complete with lots of negative comments on the 'net) or going bust one after another now would it?
ady1:
Fileep:
Could it be like a franchise where you rent everything, so technically its all still owned by Stobarts so no need for your own O’licence? Would it be like a limited company thing that some agency drivers do? I can understand why they are doing it, passing the headache and cost’s of it being stood on to some poor sap daft enough to sign up(ady1 gone quiet, he must be on the way to the bank)! GARas i started at 5 a.m and got back at 8 p.m id struggle to comment on a 7.41 a.m post,but my names down for it,whether they allow me to do it im not sure,was trampers only before.
to you lot 5k/8k /10 k may seem like alot of money,but whats a yam r1 [12 k appx],focus 15 k[again appx],so in real terms its the price of a new set of upvc windows and doors,2 nd hand car,2 nd hand bike.
im sure theres loads of millionaires out there who got called from pillar to post when they started out,but we dont all want to end up doing dead end jobs like you lot,some of us want to better ourselfes,and as i got a very healthy inheritance,its of no risk to me,5k wouldnt even put a dent in it,
my next post will be from some sunny climate,just made first million,enjoy the joys of the m1/m6/m5
I’m actually sat here laughing my ■■■■■■■ socks off at this ^. ■■■■■■■ hilarious! Is this ■■■■ for real?!?!?!?! I’m sure this kid’s on a wind up, he’s gotta be.
Wheel Nut:
ady1:
where have i ever said mega bucks for a days worki do the long runs that others dont want,if i start this morning at 5 a.m and my collection is at 5 p.m ,ive then got 21/2 hrs back to the yard then its going to be along day
yes i spent 4 hrs fast asleep in a layby, but they new exactly where i was as they told me to park it there until i could go into my collection at 3p.m,
just because you do 70/80 hrs p.w doesnt mean your strining it out it just means you do the long runs that the folks who only want to do 8 hrs wont.
I have split your quote up for clarity without editing it.
It is the long runs that may kill the job, most people in road haulage will agree that 3 trailers a day into somewhere local will give more profit then an Aberdeen from Milton Keynes.
Stobbard will not pay an owner driver 4 hours to sit in a layby, that is what they will be trying to cut out from the wages bill.
If there are owner drivers from these who do 8 hours, you will suddenly find they want more of your hours.
I remember a few of your old posts, one was about a job for life, but the one I recall now is the one that says your planners are useless and send trucks to collect loads what are not there. Remember these same planners will be gambling with your 5 grand.
It’s gonna be a BLOODBATH !!! AND I CAN’T WAIT !!! 
Driveroneuk:
happysack:
can anyone else see that sitting 4 hours in a layby as a owner driver won’t pay?Absolutely I can. Wheels not going round = no ppm.
It was sitting in Tesco Middlewich providing free storage for 4 - 5 at hours at a time that ended my foray into ODship. Thanks Tesco & Beeline Transport. (I was green then & didn’t realise I could have been charging demurrage).HOWEVER: having read this thread & being fairly impartial, I can assure the nay sayers that one of, if not THE, most successful haulier in the country will not have entered into this without some thought. It would not be in their best interests to see OD’s packing in (complete with lots of negative comments on the 'net) or going bust one after another now would it?
They won’t give a toss. It’s not their reputation that will get damaged. From an outsider perspective it’s just going to be another Stobbard wagon going to deliver a load. And you’re right, they will have put a lot of “thought” into it with their very carefully worded contracts absolving them of any liability/bad press etc should the brown stuff hit the spinny thing.
It’s gonna be like lambs to the slaughter.
i thought about it all day and just cant see how it would work out for any driver going for it if anyone does go for it good luck to ya hope it works out but like someone else already said there are simpler ways to have your own unit
also what happens when work goes quiet are we gonna see rows in the office about who gets the runs
Richard King lads do 4 on 4 off tramping they get units fully loaded with microwaves tvs etc and and there classes as self employed would this not be a much better option
I was sucessfully self employed for five years and the best thing I ever did was put my cards in and get a full time job again.
If you can tell from my user name I’m not hiding behind the keypad on my phone crititising any future ESL owner driver.
I think if you are a canny small operator who is used to running a couple of lorries effectivley you might do pretty well out of this ESL deal.
Unfortunatly Ady1, after reading your posts that isn’t the impression you have given me. You sound just like every other ex driver who bought his own truck and failed miserably and you havn’t even got the keys for it yet. Funny how it’s never their fault when it all goes horribly wrong.
I wouldn’t say the 5k is all you would lose. How about the 80k you owe Scania and the cash you will owe for your trailer and the fuel you have used?
If I worked for ESL and I was considering this deal the last thing I would be doing would be posting the pros and cons of it on TNUK. I wish you luck Ady1 whatever you decide to do but remember the old saying
‘A fool and his money are easily parted’.
W
Eddie is ONLY ever going to to what is best for EDDIE
Stobarts have been doing this for years, its nothing new. I remember seeing all the posters etc at their Wakefield depot 15 years ago asking for drivers who want to become owner drivers.
I’m sure there will be more to it than just stumping up £5k, but as Ady says, its his money, its his choice, so why not go for it?
PS Ady…if you need a CPC holder and relief driver PM me ( I might even still have a few green shirts somewhere at the back of my wardrobe too 
)
happysack:
can anyone else see that sitting 4 hours in a layby as a owner driver won’t pay?if i slept that much i might have enough driving hours to do an extra shift every other saturday (like most other stobart trampers manage)
i don’t do general haulage, i do chipliners, very rare I’ll see a booking in time. i choose to be runRAGGED because it passes time quicker and gets me home a decent time on a friday afternoon. yes ady i have weekends off…i have a family… and life.
but i am also looking at the owner driver idea…
better get my sleep too. i might have to do a ‘long’ run!
good for you ,if your happy with your life,job good luck to you,but just because i work w/ends doesnt mean its the end of any kind of life i can assure you,whilst your away in your truck all week not seeing kids/wife i get to see mine every day ,not just on a sat/sun-mon-sun for me.as for you choose to be run ragged,other than picking the long runs/days, ive no choice in anything,im told to go to a+b and thats it,luckily that entails normally a big gap between drop and collection,but if next week someone decides to fill that gap then ill have to do it,but whilst they dont seem bothered/cant alter things ill make the best of what ive got.as for being run ragged passes the time quicker,i can assure you time flies as well when your fast asleep,also at end of day/week i dont need 2 days to recover from being run ragged,im well rested,