switchlogic:
Yeah Ive heard all those ‘I got caught for having a nine on a boat’ bs rumours too.
I arises from the fact you must be having a minimum of 11 hours if you wish to interrupt it using the Ferry setting. If no interruption then no problem, 9 hours is fine. Those clowns were probably interrupting a 9.
Terry T:
switchlogic:
Yeah Ive heard all those ‘I got caught for having a nine on a boat’ bs rumours too.I arises from the fact you must be having a minimum of 11 hours if you wish to interrupt it using the Ferry setting. If no interruption then no problem, 9 hours is fine. Those clowns were probably interrupting a 9.
Ah, good point, that’s probably it
So even if you don’t have a interrupted rest , I presume you still have to put it on ferry mode on and off always
xxicelandicxx:
So even if you don’t have a interrupted rest , I presume you still have to put it on ferry mode on and off always
There’s no reason to use the ferry option while boarding/disembarking a ferry if you’re not interrupting a daily rest period.
However when you’re on a ferry you’re travelling to take charge of a vehicle and the only time you can legally count travelling time as rest is when you’re on a ferry/train, so I would say that technically you should use the ferry option while on the boat to show that you was on a ferry while having a rest period.
I’ve no idea how many people do though, or even if VOSA care for that matter.
xxicelandicxx:
So even if you don’t have a interrupted rest , I presume you still have to put it on ferry mode on and off always
No, unless interrupting your rest then its just a normal break and the bed symbol suffices.
Can I use ferry mode for the Woolwich then?
xxicelandicxx:
So even if you don’t have a interrupted rest , I presume you still have to put it on ferry mode on and off always
No, because it’s not possible to put the tacho on ‘Ferry Mode’.
Even if you go into the menu and select that option when interrupting your daily rest to board a ferry it doesn’t put the tacho into a different mode. If it’s on rest, or you’ve just flicked it to other work, when you select that option then the tacho stays on rest or other work. When you move the vehicle it will change to driving. While boarding and if you are stop starting then it will flick between driving and other work, new type will probably just record driving, and when you board the ferry and switch it back to rest then you are back on rest and at no point was the tacho in any special, magical, mystery mode other than rest, other work or drive during the whole boarding process.
I spent about 5 years using ferries and trains while running on a digi tacho and as far as I can remember I never used that option because I wasn’t interrupting my daily rest period. There is nothing in the regulations that require you to show or record when you are on a ferry. If you were on a long crossing or train journey, 9+ hours, you could drive on board, put the tacho on rest and enter the end country, on arrival put the tacho back to other work and enter the begin country and you are good to go. Although it is pretty obvious you have used a ferry or train and not teleported you haven’t recorded the fact you were on a ferry or train, you’ve simply finished in one country and started in another.
Coffeeholic:
xxicelandicxx:
So even if you don’t have a interrupted rest , I presume you still have to put it on ferry mode on and off alwaysNo, because it’s not possible to put the tacho on ‘Ferry Mode’.
you’d better flick your tacho through the menu then! Yes we know it flicks from bed to drive ( embarking ) then back onto bed ( daily rest again ) then ferry mode to get off boat ( disembarking ) then drive to wherever without going over the " one hour " magical mark! For two interruptions on FERRY MODE! The mode is there to prove You’re on the boat! All it does prove is that drivers have no knowledge of using FERRY MODE PROPERLY! OP HAVE AS MANY SPLIT DAILY RESTS AS YOU WANT 5/ 6 
BUT here’s a question " HOW CAN YOU DO 5/ 6 fifteen hour shifts if you can legally do 71/ 84 hours? " that equates to 75/90 hours in my book! Some people write/ some BS on here 
the maoster:
Can I use ferry mode for the Woolwich then?
yes, duty free too 
if you’ve a ration card for the NAAFI 
tachograph:
xxicelandicxx:
So even if you don’t have a interrupted rest , I presume you still have to put it on ferry mode on and off alwaysThere’s no reason to use the ferry option while boarding/disembarking a ferry if you’re not interrupting a daily rest period.
now we’re getting somewhere tachograph 
xxicelandicxx:
Omg!!! Calm down guys I didn’t think my post would cause such mither!
no mither, just SIMPLE debate about SIMPLE TACHO RULES!
Fatboy slimslow:
Coffeeholic:
xxicelandicxx:
So even if you don’t have a interrupted rest , I presume you still have to put it on ferry mode on and off alwaysNo, because it’s not possible to put the tacho on ‘Ferry Mode’.
you’d better flick your tacho through the menu then! Yes we know it flicks from bed to drive ( embarking ) then back onto bed ( daily rest again ) then ferry mode to get off boat ( disembarking ) then drive to wherever without going over the " one hour " magical mark! For two interruptions on FERRY MODE! The mode is there to prove You’re on the boat!
You’re an idiot. Show me were in the regulations there is a need to prove you are on a boat? Don’t spend long looking because there is nothing there.
It’s not a mode, it simply marks the data, like a pen would on a chart, to explain why you have interrupted your daily rest. Not interrupting daily rest then no need to go anywhere near it. As long as you persist in thinking it is a mode and you have to prove you are on a boat, neither of which is even remotely correct then you will always be wrong on this.
Fatboy slimslow:
All it does prove is that drivers have no knowledge of using FERRY MODE PROPERLY!
There is no ferry mode to use, all you are doing is showing your lack of understanding of the ferry option and how it is used.
Fatboy slimslow:
BUT here’s a question " HOW CAN YOU DO 5/ 6 fifteen hour shifts if you can legally do 71/ 84 hours? " that equates to 75/90 hours in my book!
Nothing to prevent doing that, in fact the split rest option makes it possible to legally do 90 hours over 6 shifts. When I was doing the Dublin run 3 times a week in the 14-15 hour shift I was clocking up 6-7, or more, hours of break and rest each shift and usually didn’t even exceed 48 hours of work in the week so keeping me below the WTD average.
Fatboy slimslow:
Some people write/ some BS on here
You do indeed, your story about being done for having a 45 minute break on the Dover/Calais crossing being a classic example. 
well I never got done for putting mine on break when on the dover ferry, drive on select break off to get a shower and a good feed, I am not bloody working so nothing illegal in using break, get off the other side and your good to go. got checked loads of times and never got a single fine!!!
Coffeeholic:
Fatboy slimslow:
Coffeeholic:
You’re an idiot. Show me were in the regulations there is a need to prove you are on a boat
lol I’m an idiot, Ireland and France are separated by SEAS! trucks drive on the roads! I understand fully about using FERRY MODE ON A DIGI! as marking on the back in biro on an anologue! I understood the old 16 hour spread over too, with 4 hours off, to which you could have 1 hr plus 2 hours and 1 hours again with eight hours off as I can add up 16 hours plus 8 hours off was 24 hours, which incidentally changed on April 11th 2007 to make it SIMPLE for little drivers to understand! what happened to 3 reduced rests I between two weekly rests, that in my book is 3 X 15 hours with 3 X 13 hours, please show me in the REGULATIONS YOU’RE SO FOND OF WHERE YOU CAN DO 5/ 6 X 15 hours shifts because you’re having 5/ 6 split uninterrupted daily rests of three hours! And I’m the idiot? Please don’t look TOO LONG! Because they’re not there PAL 
Coffeeholic:
Fatboy slimslow:
Coffeeholic:
xxicelandicxx:
So even if you don’t have a interrupted rest , I presume you still have to put it on ferry mode on and off alwaysNo, because it’s not possible to put the tacho on ‘Ferry Mode’.
you’d better flick your tacho through the menu then! Yes we know it flicks from bed to drive ( embarking ) then back onto bed ( daily rest again ) then ferry mode to get off boat ( disembarking ) then drive to wherever without going over the " one hour " magical mark! For two interruptions on FERRY MODE! The mode is there to prove You’re on the boat!
You’re an idiot. Show me were in the regulations there is a need to prove you are on a boat? Don’t spend long looking because there is nothing there.
It’s not a mode, it simply marks the data, like a pen would on a chart, to explain why you have interrupted your daily rest. Not interrupting daily rest then no need to go anywhere near it. As long as you persist in thinking it is a mode and you have to prove you are on a boat, neither of which is even remotely correct then you will always be wrong on this.
Fatboy slimslow:
All it does prove is that drivers have no knowledge of using FERRY MODE PROPERLY!There is no ferry mode to use, all you are doing is showing your lack of understanding of the ferry option and how it is used.
Fatboy slimslow:
BUT here’s a question " HOW CAN YOU DO 5/ 6 fifteen hour shifts if you can legally do 71/ 84 hours? " that equates to 75/90 hours in my book!Nothing to prevent doing that, in fact the split rest option makes it possible to legally do 90 hours over 6 shifts. When I was doing the Dublin run 3 times a week in the 14-15 hour shift I was clocking up 6-7, or more, hours of break and rest each shift and usually didn’t even exceed 48 hours of work in the week so keeping me below the WTD average.
Fatboy slimslow:
You do indeed, your story about being done for having a 45 minute break on the Dover/Calais crossing being a classic example.
lol I’m an idiot, please show me in your FOND REGULATIONS where you can have 5/ 6 X 15 hour shifts because you have three hours in split daily rests! a driver may reduce three times a week between two weekly rest periods so that means 3 X 15 and 3 X 13 hours shifts when I went to school! Lol I’m an idiot! don’t forget the new SIMPLIFIED RULES FROM APRIL 11th 2007 was to stop FATIGUE! And your claiming 75/ 90 hours was legal and safe! I’m an idiot me! please call me what you want but remember what stands in the way of IRELAND, ENGLAND AND FRANCE! So if trucks drive on the roads and there’s WATER IN BETWEEN, I’m going to hazard a guess you might have to get on a ferry! Normal drivers leave all their paraphernalia on the dash in the windscreen " oooohhhh look at me, I’ve been in a boat " please tug me, but as I’m an idiot I take everything out! Lol I’m an idiot!
Fatboy slimslow:
Coffeeholic:
Fatboy slimslow:
Coffeeholic:
You’re an idiot. Show me were in the regulations there is a need to prove you are on a boatlol
So if you understand it why are you still insisting it is a mode and you need to show when you are on a ferry and taht teh OP is going to get nicked when he hasn’t done anything to contravene the regulations.
Fatboy slimslow:
I understood the old 16 hour spread over too, with 4 hours off, to which you could have 1 hr plus 2 hours and 1 hours again with eight hours off as I can add up 16 hours plus 8 hours off was 24 hours,
And you could do that 6 days a week as well
Fatboy slimslow:
what happened to 3 reduced rests I between two weekly rests, that in my book is 3 X 15 hours with 3 X 13 hours,
We’re not talking about reduced daily rests, this is about split daily rest.
Fatboy slimslow:
please show me in the REGULATIONS YOU’RE SO FOND OF WHERE YOU CAN DO 5/ 6 X 15 hours shifts because you’re having 5/ 6 split uninterrupted daily rests of three hours! And I’m the idiot? Please don’t look TOO LONG! Because they’re not there PAL
Oh it’s there, and I didn’t even have to look for long at all as it’s on page 5 of the regulations.
‘regular daily rest period’ means any period of rest
of at least 11 hours. Alternatively, this regular daily
rest period may be taken in two periods, the first of
which must be an uninterrupted period of at least 3
hours and the second an uninterrupted period of at
least nine hours,
A split daily rest is not a reduced rest. It clearly says so in the bit highlighted in red above where it gives two criteria for a regular daily rest, a single period of at least 11 hours OR two periods of at least 3 and at least 9 hours. Both of those options equal a regular daily rest period and such you are not limited to only 3 between weekly rest periods in the way you are with reduced daily rest periods.
Just in case you are still confused. - A split daily rest is at least 3 hours and at least 9 hours which adds up to at least 12 hours. 12 is more than 11 and as a reduced rest period is less than 11 hours it clearly is not a reduced daily rest. Simple really.
some people should stop while ahead
or give up driving fr a living 
1hr work
Fatboy, give Geordie Farrel or “doc” Haliday a ring, they’ll explain it to you!
Coffeeholic:
A split daily rest is not a reduced rest. It clearly says so in the bit highlighted in red above where it gives two criteria for a regular daily rest, a single period of at least 11 hours OR two periods of at least 3 and at least 9 hours. Both of those options equal a regular daily rest period and such you are not limited to only 3 between weekly rest periods in the way you are with reduced daily rest periods.Just in case you are still confused. - A split daily rest is at least 3 hours and at least 9 hours which adds up to at least 12 hours. 12 is more than 11 and as a reduced rest period is less than 11 hours it clearly is not a reduced daily rest. Simple really.
I really fail to see what’s so hard to understand about this post. It just seems so shockingly obvious.
Still, at least we’re burning a few calories, we could all do with the help given our line of work
the maoster:
Fatboy, give Geordie Farrel or “doc” Haliday a ring, they’ll explain it to you!
i don’t need to pal I know and understand split daily rest, regular rest 11 hours, reduced rest 9 hours, 13 hours and a minute reducer, 10 hours 59 mins reducer, blah blah blah! I know you can do six SPLIT DAILY RESTS TOO! But you can’t do it every week! 3 X 15 hours and three 3 X 13 = 84 hours! As the normal for your companies who MAX you all out to do 71 hours 5 days a week for a) crap money, b) illegal hammering of POA ( to which we bring OUR AVERAGE DOWN ) cough cough and c) fatigue!
I’ve done weekend tramping as well where you could do a) four tens b) six reducers and all that as I understand it all very well as you work out the previous weeks REDUCERS IE NONE then the following week you can’t do it, hence my comment about Appleton at stobrats as a weekend night tramper! All easy and simple to me! Good memory, backed up with the diary = no problems! I suppose I’m an idiot
Terry T:
Coffeeholic:
A split daily rest is not a reduced rest. It clearly says so in the bit highlighted in red above where it gives two criteria for a regular daily rest, a single period of at least 11 hours OR two periods of at least 3 and at least 9 hours. Both of those options equal a regular daily rest period and such you are not limited to only 3 between weekly rest periods in the way you are with reduced daily rest periods.Just in case you are still confused. - A split daily rest is at least 3 hours and at least 9 hours which adds up to at least 12 hours. 12 is more than 11 and as a reduced rest period is less than 11 hours it clearly is not a reduced daily rest. Simple really.
I really fail to see what’s so hard to understand about this post. It just seems so shockingly obvious.
Still, at least we’re burning a few calories, we could all do with the help given our line of work
I’ve not quoted about a split daily rest being less than a regular rest period as one is eleven and 9 plus 3 = 12 hours and also I know about the 16 hours with 8 hours off which finished in April 2007 on the eleventh! Believe it or not to stop FATIGUE!
Old Slimslow is a funny old character. He strikes me as the loudmouth in restaurant on ferry coming out at the top of his voice with all those old tired myths, like the drink driving case and the lawyer with the fishing rod, or getting fined for having a break on Dover Calais, or how he told VOSA/Gendarmes/BAG/Guarda Civil what’s what and go them sacked, etc etc.
switchlogic:
Old Slimslow is a funny old character. He strikes me as the loudmouth in restaurant on ferry coming out at the top of his voice with all those old tired myths, like the drink driving case and the lawyer with the fishing rod, or getting fined for having a break on Dover Calais, or how he told VOSA/Gendarmes/BAG/Guarda Civil what’s what and go them sacked, etc etc.
not far off luke but I don’t talk to anyone on the boat or Chunnel pal just listen! loose lips, lose lives pal