Split rest question?

[tachograph]

Fatboy slimslow:

Terry T:

Fatboy slimslow:
Can’t do a split daily rest on a boat! ENDEX! period!

Fatboy slimslow:
To use FERRY MODE! max 13 hours duty time as it has to be 11 hours REGULAR REST! that simple

A split daily rest is not classed as a reduced daily rest though. A split daily rest consists of a total of 12 hours rest, more than the regular 11 hours.

look up FERRY MODE! regular rest 11 hours may be interrupted twice to embark and disembark totalling no more than one hour!

A regular daily rest period is not a rest period of 11 hours it’s a rest period of at-least 11 hours, a split daily rest period (12 hours rest) is a regular daily rest period that’s taken in two parts, but it’s still classed as a regular daily rest period, the regulations even say that you can interrupt a split daily rest to board or disembark a ferry so you must be able to have a split daily rest period on a boat.

Or to put it another way, you can have the first part of a split daily rest period (3 hours rest) on a boat

Article 4(g) - (EC) 561/2006

‘regular daily rest period’ means any period of rest
of at least 11 hours. Alternatively, this regular daily
rest period may be taken in two periods, the first of
which must be an uninterrupted period of at least 3
hours and the second an uninterrupted period of at
least nine hours,

SOCIAL LEGISLATION IN ROAD TRANSPORT
Regulation (EC) No 561/2006, Directive 2006/22/EC, Regulation (EEC) No 3821/85

GUIDANCE NOTE 6

Issue: Recording of time spent on board of a ferry or train where the driver has access to a
bunk or couchette.

Article: 9 (1) of Regulation (EC) No 561/2006

Approach to be followed: Generally during a rest, a driver shall be able, according to Article
4(f), to dispose freely of his/her time. However, a driver is entitled to take his/her break or
rest, daily or weekly, when he/she is travelling by ferry or train, provided that he/she has
access to a bunk or couchette. This stems from the wording of Article 9(2) which stipulates
that any time spent travelling “shall not be counted as a rest or break unless the driver is on
ferry or a train and has access to a bunk or couchette”.

Furthermore, in line with Article 9(1) a regular daily rest period of at least 11 hours taken
on a ferry or a train (if a driver has access to a bunk or a couchette) may be interrupted twice
as a maximum, by other activities (such as embarking or disembarking from the ferry boat or
train). The total time of these two interruptions may not exceed 1 hour. This time must not, in
any case, result in any reduction of a regular daily rest period.

In case of a regular daily rest taken in two periods, the first of which must be of at least 3
hours and the second of at least 9 hours (as stipulated in Article 4(g)), the number of
interruptions (maximum two) concerns the whole period of daily rest and not each part of a
regular daily rest taken in two periods.

The derogation under Article 9(1) does not apply to a weekly rest period, whether reduced or
regular.

[fatboy_slimslow]

tachograph:

Fatboy slimslow:

Terry T:

Fatboy slimslow:
Can’t do a split daily rest on a boat! ENDEX! period!

Fatboy slimslow:
To use FERRY MODE! max 13 hours duty time as it has to be 11 hours REGULAR REST! that simple

A split daily rest is not classed as a reduced daily rest though. A split daily rest consists of a total of 12 hours rest, more than the regular 11 hours.

look up FERRY MODE! regular rest 11 hours may be interrupted twice to embark and disembark totalling no more than one hour!

A regular daily rest period is not a rest period of 11 hours it’s a rest period of at-least 11 hours, a split daily rest period (12 hours rest) is a regular daily rest period that’s taken in two parts, but it’s still classed as a regular daily rest period, the regulations even say that you can interrupt a split daily rest to board or disembark a ferry so you must be able to have a split daily rest period on a boat.

Or to put it another way, you can have the first part of a split daily rest period (3 hours rest) on a boat

Article 4(g) - (EC) 561/2006

‘regular daily rest period’ means any period of rest
of at least 11 hours. Alternatively, this regular daily
rest period may be taken in two periods, the first of
which must be an uninterrupted period of at least 3
hours and the second an uninterrupted period of at
least nine hours,

SOCIAL LEGISLATION IN ROAD TRANSPORT
Regulation (EC) No 561/2006, Directive 2006/22/EC, Regulation (EEC) No 3821/85

GUIDANCE NOTE 6

Issue: Recording of time spent on board of a ferry or train where the driver has access to a
bunk or couchette.

Article: 9 (1) of Regulation (EC) No 561/2006

Approach to be followed: Generally during a rest, a driver shall be able, according to Article
4(f), to dispose freely of his/her time. However, a driver is entitled to take his/her break or
rest, daily or weekly, when he/she is travelling by ferry or train, provided that he/she has
access to a bunk or couchette. This stems from the wording of Article 9(2) which stipulates
that any time spent travelling “shall not be counted as a rest or break unless the driver is on
ferry or a train and has access to a bunk or couchette”.

Furthermore, in line with Article 9(1) a regular daily rest period of at least 11 hours taken
on a ferry or a train (if a driver has access to a bunk or a couchette) may be interrupted twice
as a maximum, by other activities (such as embarking or disembarking from the ferry boat or
train). The total time of these two interruptions may not exceed 1 hour. This time must not, in
any case, result in any reduction of a regular daily rest period.

In case of a regular daily rest taken in two periods, the first of which must be of at least 3
hours and the second of at least 9 hours (as stipulated in Article 4(g)), the number of
interruptions (maximum two) concerns the whole period of daily rest and not each part of a
regular daily rest taken in two periods.

The derogation under Article 9(1) does not apply to a weekly rest period, whether reduced or
regular.

but it’s the OPs opening sentence! he will get CAUGHT out off the boat at Holyhead! you can quote all you like, it’s FERRY MODE HE SHOULD BE ON! immaterial of SPLIT DAILY REST, uninterrupted 3 hours or more followed by a minimum of nine hours, IS NOT THE SAME AS FERRY MODE 13 hour daily shift taking a REGULAR REST PERIOD if eleven hour, to be interrupted twice not lasting more than one hour to embark and disembark! regardless of having a bunk they’ll say you’ve been on the boat, and lubing him up big time

[terry_t]

I think you’re misunderstanding what ferry mode is used for. Ferry mode is only used to interrupt a daily rest period. If you’re interrupting a daily rest in this way it must be an 11 and not a 9.

However, the OP is not interrupting a daily rest, he is splitting it. The first 3 on the boat and then 9 some time later when he gets off. He has a bunk so it’s all good.

[fatboy_slimslow]

Terry T:
You can do a split daily rest on a boat, Tachograph has already quoted from the official documentation. What you cannot do is have a reduced daily rest on a boat. A split is not the same as a reduced and actually includes more rest than a regular 11 hour daily rest.

no you cant it’s Regular of eleven hours on ferry mode you could have two hours dockside on daily rest, then embark for a ten min drive putting it on FERRY MODE! Then back to daily rest say for seven hours, then disembark and drive for fifty mins on FERRY MODE THEN PARK UP FOR ONE HOUR! daily rest, then crack on! You are making mountains out of mole hills! Simple he’ll get caught out big time!

[fatboy_slimslow]

Terry T:
I think you’re misunderstanding what ferry mode is used for. Ferry mode is only used to interrupt a daily rest period. If you’re interrupting a daily rest in this way it must be an 11 and not a 9.

However, the OP is not interrupting a daily rest, he is splitting it. The first 3 on the boat and then 9 some time later when he gets off. He has a bunk so it’s all good.

I understand it all, you’ve to be parked up by 13 hours duty, 11 hour REGULAR DAILY REST PERIOD! split daily rest is three UNINTERRUPTED HOURS OR MORE FOLLOWED BY nine hours! Just because he’s a bunk on the ferry, he WONT BE USING FERRY MODE! Hence lubrication will be needed at Holyhead, queens ferry or A556! They’ll have him

[the_maoster]

Ffs, he doesn’t need to use ferry mode 'cos he isn’t interrupting a break to either embark or disembark!

It’s no different from him pulling into a layby on the way there and having a three hour break! Why would he need lube when he’s committed no offence?

[calum]

I remember coffeeholic explain on here a couple of years ago that with a split daily rest with 3 hours taken in first part that its possible for a driver to work 6 15 hour shifts in a row if need be,i think he mentioned that he used to do a regular run to Dublin and that he used the boat journey from Holyhead to Dublin and vice versa as a split daily rest.
Asplit daily rest of 3 hours also doubles up as a 45minute break with regards to your 4h 30min max driving before a break is needed although on the Holyhead Dublin boat you are usually on board for about 3h 45min to 4 hours.

[fatboy_slimslow]

the maoster:
Ffs, he doesn’t need to use ferry mode 'cos he isn’t interrupting a break to either embark or disembark!

It’s no different from him pulling into a layby on the way there and having a three hour break! Why would he need lube when he’s committed no offence?

how’s he crossing the Irish Sea? On a ferry? FFS he will get caught! Eventually. I got caught out from early nineties and it costs a lot! Believe me, wish I’d of been lubed it would of been cheaper! ask the Irish lads, they’ve been on here and parked up on twelve hours duty so as not to embark and disembark on ferry mode into their 13 th and fourteenth hour! It’s the rules the way they’ve been worded/ programmed for infringements it’s FERRY MODE SIMPLE AS! Nothing to do with split drily rests! OP WILL GET CAUGHT, they’re not daft

[kitbuilder123]

Big confusion on this one lol!

You can have a split daily rest on a boat.
Drive for 4.5 hours and onto a boat.
3 hours rest
Drive off boat and stay driving 4.5 hours.
9 hours rest

12 hours rest in 21 hours.

Completely different to
Drive 9 hours and wait for ferry.
2hours rest.
Ferry mode for 10 mins onto boat
3 hours rest
Ferry mode for 10 mins off boat
7 hours rest
Drive on!

The ops question seems legit to me

[terry_t]

Fatboy slimslow:
he WONT BE USING FERRY MODE!

Course he won’t, he doesn’t need to. Ferry mode is used to interrupt a regular daily rest. He isn’t having a regular daily rest, he’s having a split daily rest, of which the first part he’ll be having on the boat.

[xxicelandicxx]

Omg!!! Calm down guys I didn’t think my post would cause such mither!
Yes I was doing a split rest of a 3hr 1st then a 9 later = 12. not interrupting rest but I think we have covered both there lol

[nick2008]

xxicelandicxx:
Omg!!! Calm down guys I didn’t think my post would cause such mither!
Yes I was doing a split rest of a 3hr 1st then a 9 later = 12. not interrupting rest but I think we have covered both there lol

Yeah like I said .
Your on a boat 3hrs REST because as I asked and you pointed out you have a ROOM WITH A BED. Then you get off the boat and do some work etc then park up for a 9hr REST . This means you have not reduced any of your rest as during the 24hrs you have a total of 12hrs REST.

[coffeeholic]

CALUM:
I remember coffeeholic explain on here a couple of years ago that with a split daily rest with 3 hours taken in first part that its possible for a driver to work 6 15 hour shifts in a row if need be,i think he mentioned that he used to do a regular run to Dublin and that he used the boat journey from Holyhead to Dublin and vice versa as a split daily rest.
Asplit daily rest of 3 hours also doubles up as a 45minute break with regards to your 4h 30min max driving before a break is needed although on the Holyhead Dublin boat you are usually on board for about 3h 45min to 4 hours.

Indeed I did, used to do that six days a week with shift length of over 13 hours each day. Never an issue with either tacho analysis or VOSA in the checkpoint outside Holyhead.

I wasn’t interrupting my daily rest keloid on those days, I was taking it in two parts of at least 3 hours on the ferry and then at least 9 hours either at home or in the depot in Dublin. So need to mark the data to explain an interruption to the rest period because there wasn’t one.

Just because you are on a ferry doesn’t mean you have to use the non existent ferry mode. There is no such thing as ferry mode. That option you select when interrupting your daily rest to board or disembark from a ferry or train is no more than the digital equivalent of using a brio to write the reason on the back of a chart, it’s not some magical mode that needs to be used anytime you go near a ferry.

[fatboy_slimslow]

Yes OP I’m aware you’re splitting your daily rest on the FERRY! But one day they’ll catch you out! It’s like the 9 hours off from Belfast to Birkenhead ferry they get caught all the time there too. Question for the know it alls? Why was FERRY MODE put onto the digi tacho? A laugh? Simple tacho rules are being BENT for self gain, it’s good when you get away with it, not so once you get caught! I got caught in the nineties have MY 45 mins Dover/ Calais and vice versa! cost me a fortune back then that is why I KNOW! Enjoy! I was the split daily rest king at stobrats Appleton!

[fatboy_slimslow]

Coffeeholic:
that option you select when interrupting your daily rest to board or disembark from a ferry or train is no more than the digital equivalent of using a brio to write the reason on the back of a chart, it’s not some magical mode that needs to be used anytime you go near a ferry.

yes I’m aware of that to that’s why the whole stupid software DOESN’T read it and you get infringements for " not enough daily rest " but that’s the problem it needs simplifying! he’ll get caught eventually!

[switchlogic]

What will he get caught for?! You don’t half spout some rubbish. I often use the ferry as part of a split rest. I may start in Dublin, do couple of hours work, three hours on boat, disembark at midday or so then do the rest of the day followed by a nine that night. Perfectly legal. You are getting seriously confused with ‘ferry rest’. Its just there to split a daily rest, nothing more. If I’m on a boat during day long before my daily rest its just another break, no need to faff about with ferry stuff on tacho.

[terry_t]

Fatboy slimslow:
Why was FERRY MODE put onto the digi tacho?

So a driver, whilst taking a regular daily rest could interrupt said daily rest without getting an infringement. But, he’s not taking a regular daily rest he’s taking a split and as such doesn’t need to use ferry mode. His embark and disembark will be recorded as normal driving time. His 3 hour rest on the boat will be his first part of a split daily rest and the 9 when he gets off the last part.

No infringements, no lube, no nothing.

[switchlogic]

Fatboy slimslow:
Yes OP I’m aware you’re splitting your daily rest on the FERRY! But one day they’ll catch you out! It’s like the 9 hours off from Belfast to Birkenhead ferry they get caught all the time there too. Question for the know it alls? Why was FERRY MODE put onto the digi tacho? A laugh? Simple tacho rules are being BENT for self gain, it’s good when you get away with it, not so once you get caught! I got caught in the nineties have MY 45 mins Dover/ Calais and vice versa! cost me a fortune back then that is why I KNOW! Enjoy! I was the split daily rest king at stobrats Appleton!

Yeah Ive heard all those ‘I got caught for having a nine on a boat’ bs rumours too. It prompted me to ask the VOSA man in Holyhead for clarification as I didn’t see how it was illegal from the legislation. It isn’t. As for getting caught for a 45 on Dover Calais, are you honestly telling me you got fined for having a 45 minute break whilst on the ferry? If so you were had.

As for the last lime, not sure what that says about the standard of drivers at Appleton…

[nick2008]

switchlogic:
As for the last lime, not sure what that says about the standard of drivers at Appleton…

maybe they like LUBE because they no understandy English

[coffeeholic]

Fatboy slimslow:
Question for the know it alls? Why was FERRY MODE put onto the digi tacho?

There is no ferry mode on any tacho, digital or otherwise. There only modes on a tacho are Driving, Other Work, POA and Break/Rest

What they did put on the digital tacho was a method of explaining an interruption to a daily rest period because you can’t write on your digi card with a pen as you can with charts. That’s all it is and you only need to use it when interrupting a daily rest, which the OP isn’t doing so has no need to use that option. Forget all about ‘Ferry Mode’ and you won’t get confused over this issue.

The last few years I was driving I was on ferries up to 6 times a week and I don’t recall ever using the Ferry Option on the tachograph, had no need to as I was never interrupting my daily rest to board a ferry.

Example of a run to Dublin.

Start work around 5:00
Leave yard around 06:00
45 minute break on route to Holyhead
Arrive Holyhead around 12:30 book on ferry and park in lanes.
Break until boarding
Board ferry and put tacho on Rest
3.5-4 hours later return to truck and change mode to other work
Disembark, drive to depot, drop trailer and park unit up.
Start daily rest by latest 19:00 usually
Shift of around 14 hours start to finish.

Resume work around 06:00
Drive to dock and put tacho on break after parking up
Board ferry about 07:30 and put tacho on Rest
Off ferry about 12:00
45 minute break on way back to yard
Finish between 19:00 and 20:00 depending on traffic and anything that needed doing on way back to yard.
Shift of around 14 hours.

Resume work around 05:00 next day and repeat the previous 2 days, then repeat it again for a total of 3 round trips in the week.

Split daily rest every day for the six days with 6 ferry crossings and no need to use the ferry option on the tachograph, or write on a chart when I was doing that pre digital, at all. Never a problem in the Vosa checkpoint.

The requirement for a split daily rest, two periods with the first at least 3 hours and the second at least 9, do not change if you take part of it on a ferry, the fact the OP has the shorter part of the rest period is on a ferry is totally irrelevant as he is meeting the split daily rest requirements completely.