Solution to the elusive driver shortage

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Carryfast:

F-reds:
There’s nothing distasteful in being protective to women at all old chum. There is however everything distasteful in being patronising to women. If they want to work 12+ hours a day driving a truck, then let them, it’s their choice. Equally if a dude fancies staying at home to raise the kids, that’s fine too. Your views on women in the work place are just like your views on automatic gearboxes; outdated. You’re a dinosaur.

I think that the point is more one of women being indoctrinated from an early age that they ‘should’ be driving the trucks,let alone facing front line military service,and the men ‘should’ be at home as house husbands.Or employers being bullied into applying reverse discriminatory employment policies to meet your bs PC aims.How is that supposedly ‘protective of women’.

As for autos no they are just there to make it easier for even bad car drivers to drive trucks.Although I’m sure that any decent woman driver would find your patronising view,of those who prefer to drive manual vehicles,equally distasteful.

youtube.com/watch?v=GPnFjwKpEWE

In which case you could argue decades, possibly centuries of indoctrination that women stay at home and look after children and clean the house and cook food.

My Mum, God love her, stayed at home mostly, little job for pin money, cooked and cleaned and she was flipping miserable. My Dad on the other hand worked his wotsits off but he was off in his truck and a darn sight happier for it.

If you were to think I had been indoctrinated from an early age to work, you haven’t a clue. I just saw that cleaning a house frankly was in no way fulfilling, it was tedious beyond belief and a waste of my mothers brain. Everyone is different, some blokes maybe like being househusbands, some women like being in the house. I don’t like kids, never for a nanosecond have I wanted one, hate cooking, tolerate housework because I dislike a dirty house. I do like trucks, I loved it when I was driving, going new places, meeting new people, had a blast as a forkie and for all downsides to running a business, I still love doing it, setting up deals, arguing my case with customers, banter with the drivers. In your world, all women are supposed to be happy with a second rate life. :imp:

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A thread about working ladies involving CF and no one seems to have mentioned CF’s female anti Christ. I’m disappointed…

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Evil8Beezle:
A thread about working ladies involving CF and no one seems to have mentioned CF’s female anti Christ. I’m disappointed…

I think it’s because no one is the slightest bit surprised. Whoever is really behind Carrryfast is trying desperately to stir debate on trucknet with that one :laughing: . Points for subtlety -0

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Juddian:
Yes i know its not something any employer would admit to in print or public, but you arn’t going to tell me that the maternity farce, and trust me i’ve seen it with mine own eyes, has done anything really to help the vast majority of women get good jobs at all levels, especially in the smaller business private sector, can’t really compare with public authorities civil service and charities who ■■■■ (unearned by them) money up the wall like it still grows on the Croydon money trees.

It’s one of the reasons I wouldn’t employ a woman of child-bearing age - even though rather obviously I was one at one time. i do have a woman working for me on vans, but I knew she wasn’t goint to be having kids, so that took that factor out. How on earth you’d fit antenatal into a trip to Madrid, I don’t know.

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Mike-C:

Carryfast:

Harry Monk:
Actually, my own Mum- 81 now- says that things were better in the 1960s, when the man went out to work, the woman stayed at home and raised the children, and a family could buy a house on just the man’s earnings. I don’t know if that makes her “old fashioned” but it does seem to make sense to me.

Blimey Harry now you’ve done it agreeing with me.Hope she’s prepared for the flak from those like Switch. :smiling_imp: :laughing: :laughing:

You both, and Harrys mum think things where better in the sixties because you are old. That does not matter now. What matters now is what young women think, and what they want to do. Thats what matters, not your notion of what they “should” do.

Very well put

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eagerbeaver:
That’s pretty much EXACTLY what the job is mate. Getting stuck in traffic and planners/goods in trying to talk to you like a 2at.

I know I’ve been there, it does my head in especially RDC work, or working for big companies with thier procedures for everything, did that on agency work.
But saying that I have done some haulage I enjoyed, working for family run companies and going to load and delivery points where they actually wanted you there and treated you as a person and a boss that rarely called you, just left to get on with the job.
Still very little you can do about the traffic, but if the other bits of the job are better, then it can be considered as one of those things and no jobs perfect.

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The gas man:

Mike-C:

The gas man:
I personally liked this line …

“Some of the facilities at service stations and depots where we deliver to can be awful. There’ll be one toilet for all drivers to use, and it won’t have been cleaned enough. It’s not nice for women to deal with that.”

So it’s ok for the fella’s to have facilities in poor state ■■

#alltruckersmatter

You know you can take a positive or a negative out of that statement you quoted. And i get the point you make. And its been that way for a very long time. Wouldn’t it be ironic if something as simple as “women” having to put up with this type stuff was the catyalist for change for the better for all of us ?

And I completely agree with that, that yes maybe if as you stated “Wouldn’t it be ironic if something as simple as “women” having to put up with this type stuff was the catyalist for change for the better for all of us ?” but surely as there’s already ladies out there now grafting and having to share these p poor facilities and the way the jobs getting that we would of already seen a slight increase in better services and treatment.
In an ideal situation we’d all have better facilities but as its been said many times that some people leave places in a state and after a while the provider is either going to close them to us or just leave them as some have left them.

Although women truck drivers is nothing new, we’ve never had many of them. Just a tiny percentage. And to be fair, there’s various reasons for this, many i know of or have come across, knew, read what they said etc…do not want to be held out to dry as being “different”, needing special treatment etc… so they just put up and shut up like the lads do. They just want to be, one of the lads is probably a bad description, maybe the term i’m looking for is …just another driver. But, people being people will react differently to how a woman is treated to how a man is treated and how they empathise with them. So maybe highlighting how bad women are treated in this job benefits us all in so much as people sit up and take notice…?

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Well, “equal to” does not mean “same as”. Perhaps women generally have less interest in operating heavy machinery in the same way that men tend not to seek work as beauticians.

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albion:

Carryfast:
I think that the point is more one of women being indoctrinated from an early age that they ‘should’ be driving the trucks,let alone facing front line military service,and the men ‘should’ be at home as house husbands.Or employers being bullied into applying reverse discriminatory employment policies to meet your bs PC aims.How is that supposedly ‘protective of women’.

As for autos no they are just there to make it easier for even bad car drivers to drive trucks.Although I’m sure that any decent woman driver would find your patronising view,of those who prefer to drive manual vehicles,equally distasteful.

youtube.com/watch?v=GPnFjwKpEWE

In which case you could argue decades, possibly centuries of indoctrination that women stay at home and look after children and clean the house and cook food.

My Mum, God love her, stayed at home mostly, little job for pin money, cooked and cleaned and she was flipping miserable. My Dad on the other hand worked his wotsits off but he was off in his truck and a darn sight happier for it.

If you were to think I had been indoctrinated from an early age to work, you haven’t a clue. I just saw that cleaning a house frankly was in no way fulfilling, it was tedious beyond belief and a waste of my mothers brain. Everyone is different, some blokes maybe like being househusbands, some women like being in the house. I don’t like kids, never for a nanosecond have I wanted one, hate cooking, tolerate housework because I dislike a dirty house. I do like trucks, I loved it when I was driving, going new places, meeting new people, had a blast as a forkie and for all downsides to running a business, I still love doing it, setting up deals, arguing my case with customers, banter with the drivers. In your world, all women are supposed to be happy with a second rate life. :imp:

Blimey if I’ve read it right you’re a woman who isn’t interested in having a family and you prefer running a transport operation ? ?.That’s fair enough if that’s what ‘you’ personally want to do.

However it isn’t indoctrination that women are mainly all about the maternal house wife role it’s nature.

However it ‘is’ indoctrination when those with your views,tell women from the earliest age,that your views and ideas are the correct ones,if/when any young women chooses the opposite of what ‘you’ prefer.

IE are you seriously suggesting that it would be considered as acceptable to the establishment if any young woman tells the ‘education’ regime that she isn’t interested in the type of life that ‘you’ want but she’d rather be settled down with kids,maybe just doing a low hours part time job that fits in around that,by the age of around 20.With a husband who can find a job paying enough to support his family.As we know the ‘education’ regime isn’t set up to accept that view with every young woman being told that she’s ‘expected’ by that regime to compromise the domestic family role in order to go into a full time job/career.Stories like this often full of regret being the result of that type of bs PC thinking.Although no surprise the DM would try to twist the issue round to maintain the case for the status quo.Rather than telling it like it is that women are being pressurised by the establishment to put career before family.While having children later in life obviously cuts down on the pension bill when offspring have to bury their parents long before they retire themselves. :imp:

mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/nico … re-8958937

dailymail.co.uk/news/article … ebomb.html

dailymail.co.uk/news/article … rhood.html

While as I said that type of PC feminist view is obviously heading on a direct collision course both in regards to values of many of the immigrant population.Together with the obvious contradiction in the establishment telling us that we have to keep accepting large amounts of immigration because the indigenous birthrate is too low to replace itself.While telling young women of child bearing age,at least among the indigenous community,to put their full time career potential over having a family. :imp: :unamused:

Also bearing in mind those aren’t just my views or Harry’s views or our parents’ views.They are also increasingly the views of many women of all ages.Which no surprise the feminist cause and its supporters selectively choose to ignore.

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F-reds:
CF, while I don’t want to put words in Harry’s mouth, he said he couldn’t afford to hire a woman of child bearing age to drive his one solitary truck in case that woman had a child leaving him to pay maternity. Unfair, but logical.

Well, it’s not “sexism”, the thing is that if there was a law saying that anybody called “Brian” could take 39 weeks off work for personal reasons, and as an employer I would have to pay him 90% of his gross wage for the first six weeks and £140 a week for the next 33 weeks, then I wouldn’t employ anyone called Brian. Or perhaps that’s Brianism. :wink:

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Harry Monk:
Well, “equal to” does not mean “same as”. Perhaps women generally have less interest in operating heavy machinery in the same way that men tend not to seek work as beauticians.

Agreed, I’m sure there are certain people and groups who look at truck driving, see that the majority of driver are middle aged, white men, and decide therefore it must be due to sexism and racism, when the truth is it just doesn’t appeal as a job to many people.

I know many women (and men) who’d love to have go driving a truck, but wouldn’t give up their jobs to do it full time. So I think if the haulage industry thinks women are the answer to their problems because of the results of a survey they’re going to be disappointed, but then they’ll do anything then actually address the real issues.

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Most women don’t want to be truck drivers for numerous reasons. If they did, they would already be doing it

Mrs B for example doesn’t want any kind of ’ historically male ’ job. She loves doing the ironing, washing, cooking and cleaning and looking after the family.

Sometimes I even let her out of her cage for a haircut & nails session too…but that’s usually her xmas present.

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eagerbeaver:
Sometimes I even let her out of her cage for a haircut & nails session too…but that’s usually her xmas present.

Well I hope you have her on a tracker? :open_mouth:

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I trust her mate. Besides we have plenty of coffee in the cupboard :wink:

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Leave CF alone. I personally find him a thoroughly modern man with thoroughly modern views. In fact I recently followed a helpful discussion he was having on Mumsnetuk where he was with the use of diagrams explaining the finer points of football to a group of ladies.

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PMSL :slight_smile:

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the maoster:
Leave CF alone. I personally find him a thoroughly modern man with thoroughly modern views. In fact I recently followed a helpful discussion he was having on Mumsnetuk where he was with the use of diagrams explaining the finer points of football to a group of ladies.

:laughing:

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the maoster:
Leave CF alone. I personally find him a thoroughly modern man with thoroughly modern views. In fact I recently followed a helpful discussion he was having on Mumsnetuk where he was with the use of diagrams explaining the finer points of football to a group of ladies.

Thanks maoster, I’ve got it now. :smiley:

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the maoster:
Leave CF alone. I personally find him a thoroughly modern man with thoroughly modern views.

Views which as usual go against the establishment line.

On that note it’s bleedin ironic that it’s considered by many women as being better to follow the government line.By replacing the kitchen with office or factory choosing that over having a family and if they have a family it can only be after the age of 35 with the help of IVF to save the government a few bob in pension payments by going long before their offspring and pay the bankers twice as much in mortgage payments from two wage earners rather than just one. :unamused:

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I personally think the idea of women going out to work is a fantastic idea, as did my Uncle Joe. :wink: