You gotta love our very overpaid government, would the person that dreamt this up actually work for this money,or let there wife/partner work for it, would they hell
Just don’t pop home for your phone 
They have been bragging about this for months via there social media channels,
Good idea bringing them in young but downton will manufacture them there way so they can manipulate them,
Well at least she can give you a ■■■■■■■…I meant blowdry as well as help you with the your curtains
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I dont believe that there is a shortage of drivers,if there was they would offer more money and more people would come into the industry.
alamcculloch:
I dont believe that there is a shortage of drivers,if there was they would offer more money and more people would come into the industry.
Yes definitely,so they are calling on firms to give women a more flexible working pattern for families etc…that would not sit well with a lot of people,especially the dad who they don’t get home to see his kids 
The shortage is of reliable competent drivers who take a pride in their work, there is no shortage of licence holders and nor has there ever been.
To be fair there’s also a shortage of people prepared to work the hours involved for the rewards offered by companies like the one in the article.
Dumbing the the skills needed to do the job down over the years hasn’t helped because it continues to drive out those who take a pride in their work, some operators realise this and treat their staff with respect allowing them to do their jobs without nick picking every second of their work, other operators continue putting ever more nails into their own skills coffins as each new memo enforcing further lowest common denominator downgrading further alienates the remaining competent staff.
There is little more demoralising than someone in an office who knows next to bugger all coming up with ever more ■■■■■■■■ for the few idiots that they (no one else) employed, but each memo and notice is for all drivers…just one small example of the ever lower standard of management, they lack the ■■■■■■■■ to sort out the handful of idiots every yard has, instead we have to dumb the good majority down to their level.
I see no change to this regime happening any time soon, and the race to the bottom continues.
If all they want is a bum on a seat then thats fine thats exactly what they’ll get, but they want compliant little robots whilst still expecting highly skilled and motivated people to give their best and pay them numpty money, cake and eat it chaps it aint going to happen, it never has and it never will.
There is no driver shortage just a shortage of people willing to do the job. I would love to see the figures on the amount of people that get their licence then realise very quickly that the job is crap and run for the hills. I personally know three people that have done exactly that and now they laugh at me for getting up at 3/4am for a 12/13 hour shift. The industry needs to take a long hard look at itself and change the way it operates.
Start saying " no " to a few things then and grow a backbone.
taz1972:
Just don’t pop home for your phone
Does that mean I can’t have a supa frothy double dippy coffee from my favourite vendor?
Juddian:
The shortage is of reliable competent drivers who take a pride in their work, there is no shortage of licence holders and nor has there ever been.
To be fair there’s also a shortage of people prepared to work the hours involved for the rewards offered by companies like the one in the article.Dumbing the the skills needed to do the job down over the years hasn’t helped because it continues to drive out those who take a pride in their work, some operators realise this and treat their staff with respect allowing them to do their jobs without nick picking every second of their work, other operators continue putting ever more nails into their own skills coffins as each new memo enforcing further lowest common denominator downgrading further alienates the remaining competent staff.
There is little more demoralising than someone in an office who knows next to bugger all coming up with ever more ■■■■■■■■ for the few idiots that they (no one else) employed, but each memo and notice is for all drivers…just one small example of the ever lower standard of management, they lack the ■■■■■■■■ to sort out the handful of idiots every yard has, instead we have to dumb the good majority down to their level.
I see no change to this regime happening any time soon, and the race to the bottom continues.
If all they want is a bum on a seat then thats fine thats exactly what they’ll get, but they want compliant little robots whilst still expecting highly skilled and motivated people to give their best and pay them numpty money, cake and eat it chaps it aint going to happen, it never has and it never will.
Spot on and goes for every other industry.
The whole world wants a disposable workforce that is compliant in every way.
We are currently a stop-gap until they have the droids perfected.
I have witnessed the decline in nearly every sector of industry regarding people, I have seen the poor standard of managers that have replaced the knowledge banks of years gone by, a massive amount of knowledge has been lost in the quest for standardisation(race to the bottom) just so everyone can do the job, the pride has been beaten out of the work place as you say. We are left with very poor replicants that know not of what is required of them, they have been programmed by others who rarely gained experience in a real working environment and have spent most of their lives in education, they deal with ideals and speak of contingency whilst exploiting the workforce to keep the accountants quiet, another bunch of humans that lack real work life experience.
I see it crumbling now, the bottom line is becoming hard to achieve because of the disjointed system we currently have, there is only so much “filler” you can use to cover cracks.
peirre:
taz1972:
Just don’t pop home for your phoneDoes that mean I can’t have a supa frothy double dippy coffee from my favourite vendor?
Yup and some tea
Juddian:
There is little more demoralising than someone in an office who knows next to bugger all coming up with ever more ■■■■■■■■ for the few idiots that they (no one else) employed, but each memo and notice is for all drivers…just one small example of the ever lower standard of management, they lack the ■■■■■■■■ to sort out the handful of idiots every yard has, instead we have to dumb the good majority down to their level.
Welcome to my world. Security checking dog clips are attached on the way out is the latest one although today mine didn’t need checking because, according to security after I’d duly stopped in the designated marked out checking area, I was in a rental wagon with a hire trailer on so because there was no company logo on the lorry apparently it means I’m competent enough to check it myself. 
On the desk was taped a notice saying they’ve noticed a fall in Microlise scores and the MPG we’re getting. My comment was its because we’re being treated like kids and nobody gives a ■■ anymore which was met by disapproving stares from the other side of the counter.
att:
Juddian:
The shortage is of reliable competent drivers who take a pride in their work, there is no shortage of licence holders and nor has there ever been.
To be fair there’s also a shortage of people prepared to work the hours involved for the rewards offered by companies like the one in the article.Dumbing the the skills needed to do the job down over the years hasn’t helped because it continues to drive out those who take a pride in their work, some operators realise this and treat their staff with respect allowing them to do their jobs without nick picking every second of their work, other operators continue putting ever more nails into their own skills coffins as each new memo enforcing further lowest common denominator downgrading further alienates the remaining competent staff.
There is little more demoralising than someone in an office who knows next to bugger all coming up with ever more ■■■■■■■■ for the few idiots that they (no one else) employed, but each memo and notice is for all drivers…just one small example of the ever lower standard of management, they lack the ■■■■■■■■ to sort out the handful of idiots every yard has, instead we have to dumb the good majority down to their level.
I see no change to this regime happening any time soon, and the race to the bottom continues.
If all they want is a bum on a seat then thats fine thats exactly what they’ll get, but they want compliant little robots whilst still expecting highly skilled and motivated people to give their best and pay them numpty money, cake and eat it chaps it aint going to happen, it never has and it never will.
Spot on and goes for every other industry.
The whole world wants a disposable workforce that is compliant in every way.
We are currently a stop-gap until they have the droids perfected.
I have witnessed the decline in nearly every sector of industry regarding people, I have seen the poor standard of managers that have replaced the knowledge banks of years gone by, a massive amount of knowledge has been lost in the quest for standardisation(race to the bottom) just so everyone can do the job, the pride has been beaten out of the work place as you say. We are left with very poor replicants that know not of what is required of them, they have been programmed by others who rarely gained experience in a real working environment and have spent most of their lives in education, they deal with ideals and speak of contingency whilst exploiting the workforce to keep the accountants quiet, another bunch of humans that lack real work life experience.I see it crumbling now, the bottom line is becoming hard to achieve because of the disjointed system we currently have, there is only so much “filler” you can use to cover cracks.
Agreed, what i don’t get is where they (including the fools and traitors who our fellow citizens insist on electing to represent us) think this is all heading.
We have a massive and unserviceable national debt, growing by the day, we ■■■■ money up the wall like its going out of fashion, just one example we amazingly will spend i think its around £11billion in foreign aid this year…sorry if the figure is wrong.
This is with still a good number of people in jobs paying enough to make them net contributors.
Fast forward a few years and the droids* you mention grow more in number day by day, then fewer human workers will be in jobs that pay enough to make them net contributors…see where i’m going with this?
What could possibly go wrong the way we are going.
*the good lady Judd doesn’t believe droids are needed, she argues when you look at how humans are increasingly being treated as part of the machine, then we already have the droids, she forsees a time when babies will have electronic chips inserted into their brains when born, nurtured and brainwashed as good little worker drones (the BBC market leaders in this?) and once their useful worker bee lives over simply switch them off…its heading that way when you see the anti older person propaganda out there, the powers that be pitching groups of working class people against one another just as they have always done.
We have lorry drivers here on this very site wanting to deregulate hours once Brexit is in (we’ll see on that one), a prime example of people becoming part of the machine, 60 hour weeks not enough they want to work more, you couldn’t bloody make it up.
Me, i’m buggered if i know where we’re heading, but the signs aint good for it being a better life for us worker drones when they’ve finished.
Conor…i know just how you feel mate, this dumbing the job down to the level of the idiot class, the ones that they, the gaffers, insist on recruiting despite paying class leading money is utterley soul destroying and retirement becomes more attactive every day.
Juddian:
We have lorry drivers here on this very site wanting to deregulate hours once Brexit is in (we’ll see on that one), a prime example of people becoming part of the machine, 60 hour weeks not enough they want to work more, you couldn’t bloody make it up.
To be fair we could certainly ‘deregulate’ by going back to domestic regs etc.In a way which would remove the pressures of being governed to the minute by tachos,allow the guvnors to get more miles covered in a shift,while providing drivers with shorter shifts and more time at home and/or the flexibility to find decent parking when needed.
Carryfast:
Juddian:
We have lorry drivers here on this very site wanting to deregulate hours once Brexit is in (we’ll see on that one), a prime example of people becoming part of the machine, 60 hour weeks not enough they want to work more, you couldn’t bloody make it up.To be fair we could certainly ‘deregulate’ by going back to domestic regs etc.In a way which would remove the pressures of being governed to the minute by tachos,allow the guvnors to get more miles covered in a shift,while providing drivers with shorter shifts and more time at home and/or the flexibility to find decent parking when needed.
And you actually believe the firms would go for the shorter shifts and just not expect even more from a worker? 
I would argue that the “shortage” is now starting to actually manifest itself.
The truth is, Women don’t want the physical graft that goes with multidrop C2 - but given an opportunity to go straight to the “Easy Street” of C+E - why not?
Perhaps the secret is finally out…
There are already stacks of vacancies for C2 multidrop - and the bigger money these days still isn’t attracting young drivers wishing to make a career out of trucking.
I could be argued then that “Better money/conditions” is NOT the solution.
“Paying for halfway house trainees” isn’t either.
My own reckoning here - is that if firms really tightened up - you’d then see those drivers who DO take a pride in their standard of work to come forward and doff the high viz & doc martens.
Did the woman in the article join Downtons without a licence, or did she more likely have a lapsed licence already, and got merely put through getting a blue card by Downtons?
Jeez. 
123 smith, 
that’s what eagerbeaver looks like? quick get him sued quick, for telling the truth. brainwashed, corporate fools bobbing off on a keyboard.
Evil8Beezle:
And you actually believe the firms would go for the shorter shifts and just not expect even more from a worker?
The idea is to get ‘more from the worker’ in the form of a more relaxed driving time and speed environment.
While the guvnors wouldn’t have any option to ‘not’ go for the shorter shifts given a 12 hour minimum daily rest regime or 10 hours away from base. 
While it’s then for the ‘driver’ to govern their own regime on log books in that regard not the guvnor/tacho.
Winseer:
I would argue that the “shortage” is now starting to actually manifest itself.The truth is, Women don’t want the physical graft that goes with multidrop C2 - but given an opportunity to go straight to the “Easy Street” of C+E - why not?
Perhaps the secret is finally out…There are already stacks of vacancies for C2 multidrop - and the bigger money these days still isn’t attracting young drivers wishing to make a career out of trucking.
I could be argued then that “Better money/conditions” is NOT the solution.“Paying for halfway house trainees” isn’t either.
You’ve answered your own question.There’s too much zb work and not enough decent work at any wage.Giving women all the easier pallet/bulk/trunking etc won’t fix that it’ll just make the problem worse because there’ll be even more drivers looking for too little of the ‘right’ type of work.While ‘class 2’ drivers are going to be looking for 6/ 8,possibly some 4,wheeler bulkers or distance bulk pallet work not ‘class 3’ multi drop.