“In a recent survey of nearly 2,000 people, the Freight Transport Association found a common belief that lorry drivers were mostly older, overweight males”
How rude!!!
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Berty:
“In a recent survey of nearly 2,000 people, the Freight Transport Association found a common belief that lorry drivers were mostly older, overweight males”How rude!!!
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the rest of that quoted sentence was ‘‘and that the job involved long hours and was expensive to train for’’
which is true and conveniently ignoring that fact that it pays so abysmally at a large number of companies, well represented in the article, that the transport industry together with table waiting cleaning picking and packing has become the standard minimum wage fodder of east europeans and others who arguably get take advantage of here by unscrupulous get rich quick wide boys, the only advantage those desperate enough to work for the wages some of the (hire and reward especially) transport industry offer is that the driver can fiddle excessive hours at a poor pay rate by making excessive use of POA and make what sounds like a decent week’s wage, even if you have worked the equivalent of two weeks for it.
The race to the bottom is not yet won but the finish line is getting closer.
Berty:
“In a recent survey of nearly 2,000 people, the Freight Transport Association found a common belief that lorry drivers were mostly older, overweight males”How rude!!!
You’re not denying it though! 
Evil8Beezle:
Berty:
“In a recent survey of nearly 2,000 people, the Freight Transport Association found a common belief that lorry drivers were mostly older, overweight males”How rude!!!
You’re not denying it though!
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I’ll have you know I’m a picture of health Mr beezle
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Always an exception to a rule mate…
My view of truckers is the bigger the truck, the shorter the driver! 
Winseer:
I would argue that the “shortage” is now starting to actually manifest itself.…
Perhaps the secret is finally out…
There are already stacks of vacancies for C2 multidrop - and the bigger money these days still isn’t attracting young drivers wishing to make a career out of trucking.
I’m starting to see that too, the gaffer has put a sign in the window saying “driver required for C2” and I think he’s only had a couple of CVs to sift through so far in a couple of weeks. Ours isn’t even food service or pallet truck work 
Just another short term fix. Picking off young women coming from minimum wage jobs with low hours, to minimum wage jobs with long hours. What happens when the get to their late 20s and want kids? When will the firms wake up and realise max hours for minimum money is the reason they can’t recruit
Ah yes, recruiting young women is all very well, lets hope the companies are prepared for the massive costs involved in maternity leave and the subsequent demands for part time flexi time etc etc.
Juddian:
Ah yes, recruiting young women is all very well, lets hope the companies are prepared for the massive costs involved in maternity leave and the subsequent demands for part time flexi time etc etc.
That’s the bit they don’t factor in, paying the driver for a year before she announces she’s not coming back to work for them. Plus all the excuses for the 6 months she’s working while pregnant. A scan at 10am Wednesday, can’t do a self tip etc etc. I can’t think of many planners that will be obliging
OVLOV JAY:
Juddian:
Ah yes, recruiting young women is all very well, lets hope the companies are prepared for the massive costs involved in maternity leave and the subsequent demands for part time flexi time etc etc.That’s the bit they don’t factor in, paying the driver for a year before she announces she’s not coming back to work for them. Plus all the excuses for the 6 months she’s working while pregnant. A scan at 10am Wednesday, can’t do a self tip etc etc. I can’t think of many planners that will be obliging
Yes i know its not something any employer would admit to in print or public, but you arn’t going to tell me that the maternity farce, and trust me i’ve seen it with mine own eyes, has done anything really to help the vast majority of women get good jobs at all levels, especially in the smaller business private sector, can’t really compare with public authorities civil service and charities who ■■■■ (unearned by them) money up the wall like it still grows on the Croydon money trees.
Juddian:
OVLOV JAY:
Juddian:
Ah yes, recruiting young women is all very well, lets hope the companies are prepared for the massive costs involved in maternity leave and the subsequent demands for part time flexi time etc etc.That’s the bit they don’t factor in, paying the driver for a year before she announces she’s not coming back to work for them. Plus all the excuses for the 6 months she’s working while pregnant. A scan at 10am Wednesday, can’t do a self tip etc etc. I can’t think of many planners that will be obliging
Yes i know its not something any employer would admit to in print or public, but you arn’t going to tell me that the maternity farce, and trust me i’ve seen it with mine own eyes, has done anything really to help the vast majority of women get good jobs at all levels, especially in the smaller business private sector, can’t really compare with public authorities civil service and charities who ■■■■ (unearned by them) money up the wall like it still grows on the Croydon money trees.
When I was running my own truck, had I needed to take on an employee there is no way in the world I would have taken on a woman of childbearing age. The only way I would have been able to pay maternity leave would be if I worked for nothing.
she says I would recommend becoming a driver,you get to go out and see the world,not if you are on the M6 or M25,all you see is row upon row of cars and other HGVs all bumper to bumper and not moving,i will give her maximum 5 yrs before she becomes disillusioned particularly when she has visited RDCs and other places where you are treated like ■■■■■■
I personally liked this line …
“Some of the facilities at service stations and depots where we deliver to can be awful. There’ll be one toilet for all drivers to use, and it won’t have been cleaned enough. It’s not nice for women to deal with that.”
So it’s ok for the fella’s to have facilities in poor state ■■
#alltruckersmatter
The gas man:
I personally liked this line …“Some of the facilities at service stations and depots where we deliver to can be awful. There’ll be one toilet for all drivers to use, and it won’t have been cleaned enough. It’s not nice for women to deal with that.”
So it’s ok for the fella’s to have facilities in poor state ■■
#alltruckersmatter
No it’s not ok !
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Let us not forget the many women who already work alongside us in this job, as many have done long before most of us here.
They’ve drive all the old bangers with all that entailed, roped and sheeted, stripped tilts out, loaded and strapped down and driven car transporters and petrol tankers and chained oversized loads down and delivered plant and driven tippers and all manner of jobs, they are our equals and always will be, which is only right if they do the same job as men and get the same pay for the same effort/hours worked.
They didn’t ask for nor expect special treatment, and the ones i’ve worked with, and still do, have earned the respect they get, just like any bloke would have, they have a good effect in that they help moderate the sometimes colourful language found in transport which is a good thing, and if we find it in ourselves to offer a helping hand when the job is heavy it isn’t being sexist…and to be fair i’ve never found a militant feminist female lorry driver yet…it’s some of us finding a bit of long lost chivalry which is seldom refused because its offered in a gentlemanly way and not in a demeaning way, i hope.
For starters, how about doing something about the £3,000+ it costs to get a licence. How much is a CDL in America? It’s a couple of hundred dollars.
Juddian:
Let us not forget the many women who already work alongside us in this job, as many have done long before most of us here.They’ve drive all the old bangers with all that entailed, roped and sheeted, stripped tilts out, loaded and strapped down and driven car transporters and petrol tankers and chained oversized loads down and delivered plant and driven tippers and all manner of jobs, they are our equals and always will be, which is only right if they do the same job as men and get the same pay for the same effort/hours worked.
They didn’t ask for nor expect special treatment, and the ones i’ve worked with, and still do, have earned the respect they get, just like any bloke would have, they have a good effect in that they help moderate the sometimes colourful language found in transport which is a good thing, and if we find it in ourselves to offer a helping hand when the job is heavy it isn’t being sexist…and to be fair i’ve never found a militant feminist female lorry driver yet…it’s some of us finding a bit of long lost chivalry which is seldom refused because its offered in a gentlemanly way and not in a demeaning way, i hope.
It depends on the definition of respect.In wartime we had to treat women as part of the nation’s workforce because we had no option.But sending women out to do a man’s job just seems silly and no good for anyone either the men left on the dole while the women do the work.Or the women who either compromise their domestic role in life of having raising a family then regret it later and the father saying that mum will be home late tonight or won’t be at home in the morning.Or suffer the health effects and reduced life expectancy which results from doing a man’s work.
Carryfast:
Juddian:
Let us not forget the many women who already work alongside us in this job, as many have done long before most of us here.They’ve drive all the old bangers with all that entailed, roped and sheeted, stripped tilts out, loaded and strapped down and driven car transporters and petrol tankers and chained oversized loads down and delivered plant and driven tippers and all manner of jobs, they are our equals and always will be, which is only right if they do the same job as men and get the same pay for the same effort/hours worked.
They didn’t ask for nor expect special treatment, and the ones i’ve worked with, and still do, have earned the respect they get, just like any bloke would have, they have a good effect in that they help moderate the sometimes colourful language found in transport which is a good thing, and if we find it in ourselves to offer a helping hand when the job is heavy it isn’t being sexist…and to be fair i’ve never found a militant feminist female lorry driver yet…it’s some of us finding a bit of long lost chivalry which is seldom refused because its offered in a gentlemanly way and not in a demeaning way, i hope.
It depends on the definition of respect.In wartime we had to treat women as part of the nation’s workforce because we had no option.But sending women out to do a man’s job just seems silly and no good for anyone either the men left on the dole while the women do the work.Or the women who either compromise their domestic role in life of having raising a family then regret it later and the father saying that mum will be home late tonight or won’t be at home in the morning.Or suffer the health effects and reduced life expectancy which results from doing a man’s work.
Wow…
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
Juddian:
Let us not forget the many women who already work alongside us in this job, as many have done long before most of us here.They’ve drive all the old bangers with all that entailed, roped and sheeted, stripped tilts out, loaded and strapped down and driven car transporters and petrol tankers and chained oversized loads down and delivered plant and driven tippers and all manner of jobs, they are our equals and always will be, which is only right if they do the same job as men and get the same pay for the same effort/hours worked.
They didn’t ask for nor expect special treatment, and the ones i’ve worked with, and still do, have earned the respect they get, just like any bloke would have, they have a good effect in that they help moderate the sometimes colourful language found in transport which is a good thing, and if we find it in ourselves to offer a helping hand when the job is heavy it isn’t being sexist…and to be fair i’ve never found a militant feminist female lorry driver yet…it’s some of us finding a bit of long lost chivalry which is seldom refused because its offered in a gentlemanly way and not in a demeaning way, i hope.
It depends on the definition of respect.In wartime we had to treat women as part of the nation’s workforce because we had no option.But sending women out to do a man’s job just seems silly and no good for anyone either the men left on the dole while the women do the work.Or the women who either compromise their domestic role in life of having raising a family then regret it later and the father saying that mum will be home late tonight or won’t be at home in the morning.Or suffer the health effects and reduced life expectancy which results from doing a man’s work.
Wow…
Really?
I’ve read enough of his posts to see that one coming.
Carryfast:
Winseer:
I would argue that the “shortage” is now starting to actually manifest itself.The truth is, Women don’t want the physical graft that goes with multidrop C2 - but given an opportunity to go straight to the “Easy Street” of C+E - why not?
Perhaps the secret is finally out…There are already stacks of vacancies for C2 multidrop - and the bigger money these days still isn’t attracting young drivers wishing to make a career out of trucking.
I could be argued then that “Better money/conditions” is NOT the solution.“Paying for halfway house trainees” isn’t either.
You’ve answered your own question.There’s too much zb work and not enough decent work at any wage.Giving women all the easier pallet/bulk/trunking etc won’t fix that it’ll just make the problem worse because there’ll be even more drivers looking for too little of the ‘right’ type of work.While ‘class 2’ drivers are going to be looking for 6/ 8,possibly some 4,wheeler bulkers or distance bulk pallet work not ‘class 3’ multi drop.
I thought we had drivers disillusioned with “not being able to find the right work” - and hanging up their keys… The industry has been net losing drivers for some time now already…
For each driver pensioned off, leaving for a non-driving job, dying, or even leaving due to ill health - there are far too few “fresh” drivers coming in - in any age group. Companies have had a “fast track for women” approach for yonks - but it’s hardly made any difference. Even Fiona ended up leaving Stobarts didn’t she? 