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Carryfast:
Blimey if I’ve read it right you’re a woman who isn’t interested in having a family and you prefer running a transport operation ? ?.That’s fair enough if that’s what ‘you’ personally want to do.

However it isn’t indoctrination that women are mainly all about the maternal house wife role it’s nature.

However it ‘is’ indoctrination when those with your views,tell women from the earliest age,that your views and ideas are the correct ones,if/when any young women chooses the opposite of what ‘you’ prefer.

IE are you seriously suggesting that it would be considered as acceptable to the establishment if any young woman tells the ‘education’ regime that she isn’t interested in the type of life that ‘you’ want but she’d rather be settled down with kids,maybe just doing a low hours part time job that fits in around that,by the age of around 20.With a husband who can find a job paying enough to support his family.As we know the ‘education’ regime isn’t set up to accept that view with every young woman being told that she’s ‘expected’ by that regime to compromise the domestic family role in order to go into a full time job/career.Stories like this often full of regret being the result of that type of bs PC thinking.Although no surprise the DM would try to twist the issue round to maintain the case for the status quo.Rather than telling it like it is that women are being pressurised by the establishment to put career before family.While having children later in life obviously cuts down on the pension bill when offspring have to bury their parents long before they retire themselves. :imp:

mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/nico … re-8958937

dailymail.co.uk/news/article … ebomb.html

dailymail.co.uk/news/article … rhood.html

While as I said that type of PC feminist view is obviously heading on a direct collision course both in regards to values of many of the immigrant population.Together with the obvious contradiction in the establishment telling us that we have to keep accepting large amounts of immigration because the indigenous birthrate is too low to replace itself.While telling young women of child bearing age,at least among the indigenous community,to put their full time career potential over having a family. :imp: :unamused:

Also bearing in mind those aren’t just my views or Harry’s views or our parents’ views.They are also increasingly the views of many women of all ages.Which no surprise the feminist cause and its supporters selectively choose to ignore.

Why on earth would it be surprising that not every woman wants to stay at home and raise children. I have friends that have had children and wished they had more, ones that were happy with however many they had, ones who , and this is rarely spoken about , wish they hadn’t had them and women like me who never wanted any so didn’t. It is nothing to do with indoctrination for me, I don’t like babies or children. To me it’s the most soul killing life to have.

It’s both amusing and patronising that you suggest to a woman that’s built up a successful haulage business and stayed in business for over 25 years, that I might be unable to clearly understand what I want for myself.

Personally I’m not into pigeon holing people of any gender. I used to be a semi pro bellydancer (God knows what dipper will come out with), and on a weekender with around 400 other women and one bloke. If that’s what he wanted to do… And he wasn’t effeminate, in fact he looked like an accountant. You see there isn’t a one size fits all template that fits all; men and women have all sorts of messy individual traits and habits.

I’m probably blessed that the late Mr Albion wasn’t of your mind set. I spent 8 years building the business up before he joined me when I opened the second depot. He never had any idea that a woman’s place was in the home; most of the time he only had a vague idea where I was. Then again, his ex was Arabella Davies (ME guys will probably know of her), a woman trucker back in the 70s.

I don’t dictate what path anyone else takes in life, you want to stay at home and look after rubests , crack on. You want to be a hairdresser, an engineer, whatever, I’m not bothered.

And why I should know what the establishment wants, I don’t know.

Am I feminist, probably. But it’s a broad church and your interpretation isn’t mine. I can remember when women couldn’t sign a credit agreement even if it was their money and that’s wrong. I’m not old enough :wink: to remember not being able to vote, about being a man’s property, but that’s where my feminism comes from.

Don’t ascribe views to me that you pluck from the air.

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Carryfast:

the maoster:
Leave CF alone. I personally find him a thoroughly modern man with thoroughly modern views.

Views which as usual go against the establishment line.

On that note it’s bleedin ironic that it’s considered by many women as being better to follow the government line.By replacing the kitchen with office or factory choosing that over having a family.

No, women can have independent thought. I was educated at a convent school for girls…they weren’t suggesting I become a forkie when I left school.

Being dependent on a bloke isn’t great when he ditches you for a younger model and your kids have grown up. And no, not my parents, but I saw it happen and I still know of women that stay in an unhappy marriage because they can’t afford to leave.

If it’s a happy marriage and your husband is happy to pay for you, then great. If it’s not , then you get to be very resentful.

As I said, I’m not the one that has an entrenched idea about what either men or women ‘should’ be doing, beyond doing the best for yourself that you can without hurting anyone else.

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albion:

Carryfast:
Blimey if I’ve read it right you’re a woman who isn’t interested in having a family and you prefer running a transport operation ? ?.That’s fair enough if that’s what ‘you’ personally want to do.

However it isn’t indoctrination that women are mainly all about the maternal house wife role it’s nature.

However it ‘is’ indoctrination when those with your views,tell women from the earliest age,that your views and ideas are the correct ones,if/when any young women chooses the opposite of what ‘you’ prefer.

IE are you seriously suggesting that it would be considered as acceptable to the establishment if any young woman tells the ‘education’ regime that she isn’t interested in the type of life that ‘you’ want but she’d rather be settled down with kids,maybe just doing a low hours part time job that fits in around that,by the age of around 20.With a husband who can find a job paying enough to support his family.As we know the ‘education’ regime isn’t set up to accept that view with every young woman being told that she’s ‘expected’ by that regime to compromise the domestic family role in order to go into a full time job/career.Stories like this often full of regret being the result of that type of bs PC thinking.Although no surprise the DM would try to twist the issue round to maintain the case for the status quo.Rather than telling it like it is that women are being pressurised by the establishment to put career before family.While having children later in life obviously cuts down on the pension bill when offspring have to bury their parents long before they retire themselves. :imp:

mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/nico … re-8958937

dailymail.co.uk/news/article … ebomb.html

dailymail.co.uk/news/article … rhood.html

While as I said that type of PC feminist view is obviously heading on a direct collision course both in regards to values of many of the immigrant population.Together with the obvious contradiction in the establishment telling us that we have to keep accepting large amounts of immigration because the indigenous birthrate is too low to replace itself.While telling young women of child bearing age,at least among the indigenous community,to put their full time career potential over having a family. :imp: :unamused:

Also bearing in mind those aren’t just my views or Harry’s views or our parents’ views.They are also increasingly the views of many women of all ages.Which no surprise the feminist cause and its supporters selectively choose to ignore.

Why on earth would it be surprising that not every woman wants to stay at home and raise children. I have friends that have had children and wished they had more, ones that were happy with however many they had, ones who , and this is rarely spoken about , wish they hadn’t had them and women like me who never wanted any so didn’t. It is nothing to do with indoctrination for me, I don’t like babies or children. To me it’s the most soul killing life to have.

It’s both amusing and patronising that you suggest to a woman that’s built up a successful haulage business and stayed in business for over 25 years, that I might be unable to clearly understand what I want for myself.

Personally I’m not into pigeon holing people of any gender. I used to be a semi pro bellydancer (God knows what dipper will come out with), and on a weekender with around 400 other women and one bloke. If that’s what he wanted to do… And he wasn’t effeminate, in fact he looked like an accountant. You see there isn’t a one size fits all template that fits all; men and women have all sorts of messy individual traits and habits.

I’m probably blessed that the late Mr Albion wasn’t of your mind set. I spent 8 years building the business up before he joined me when I opened the second depot. He never had any idea that a woman’s place was in the home; most of the time he only had a vague idea where I was. Then again, his ex was Arabella Davies (ME guys will probably know of her), a woman trucker back in the 70s.

I don’t dictate what path anyone else takes in life, you want to stay at home and look after digests , crack on. You want to be a hairdresser, an engineer, whatever, I’m not bothered.

And why I should know what the establishment wants, I don’t know.

Am I feminist, probably. But it’s a broad church and your interpretation isn’t mine. I can remember when women couldn’t sign a credit agreement even if it was their money and that’s wrong. I’m not old enough :wink: to remember not being able to vote, about being a man’s property, but that’s where my feminism comes from.

Don’t ascribe views to me that you pluck from the air.

I didn’t ascribe any views to you.I said if that’s what you personally want to do that’s your choice fine.

‘However’ you didn’t answer my question.Are you saying that any young woman who wants to opt out of the ‘education’ regime,with the intention of having a family by the age of around 20 and not in any way prioritising or wanting a cereer for herself ( IE such as getting good grades and going to university for example ) other than just part time shop work that fits around ‘her’ ‘preferred’ domestic life,for example,wouldn’t be pressurised by that regime to forget the idea.If you’re agreeing that she would be pressurised into dropping the idea do you support that situation or not ?.IE my case is that PC establishment feminism is all about freedom of choice when it suits it but not when it doesn’t. :bulb:

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Pray tell reader. Allow me to present in this Penguin classic the abridged version of Carryfast’s applauded “notes on women, and the working bossom in general”. Only words were removed and sentenaces abridged together for succint 21st reading. Nothing misplaced or rearranged. Some parlance, not common to this land or century has been removed.

Carryfast:
Blimey if I’ve read it right you’re a woman… ? ?.. …That’s fair enough if that’s what ‘you’ personally want to do.

However… … women are mainly all about… … nature.

However… …tell women from the earliest age,that your views and ideas are the correct ones,if/when any young women chooses the opposite of what ‘you’ prefer.

IE are you seriously suggesting that it would be considered as acceptable… … if any young woman tells the ‘education’ regime… …a husband…isn’t set up to accept that view

…Stories like this often full…of bs…women… being pressurised… to bury…themselves. :imp:

mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/nico … re-8958937

dailymail.co.uk/news/article … ebomb.html

dailymail.co.uk/news/article … rhood.html

While as I said that…PC feminist…is obviously heading on a direct collision course…

Together with the …establishment telling us that we have to keep accepting large amounts of…young women of child bearing age… :imp: :unamused:

Also bearing in mind those aren’t just my views…They are also increasingly the views of…the feminist cause…

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Carryfast:

albion:

Carryfast:
Blimey if I’ve read it right you’re a woman who isn’t interested in having a family and you prefer running a transport operation ? ?.That’s fair enough if that’s what ‘you’ personally want to do.

However it isn’t indoctrination that women are mainly all about the maternal house wife role it’s nature.

However it ‘is’ indoctrination when those with your views,tell women from the earliest age,that your views and ideas are the correct ones,if/when any young women chooses the opposite of what ‘you’ prefer.

IE are you seriously suggesting that it would be considered as acceptable to the establishment if any young woman tells the ‘education’ regime that she isn’t interested in the type of life that ‘you’ want but she’d rather be settled down with kids,maybe just doing a low hours part time job that fits in around that,by the age of around 20.With a husband who can find a job paying enough to support his family.As we know the ‘education’ regime isn’t set up to accept that view with every young woman being told that she’s ‘expected’ by that regime to compromise the domestic family role in order to go into a full time job/career.Stories like this often full of regret being the result of that type of bs PC thinking.Although no surprise the DM would try to twist the issue round to maintain the case for the status quo.Rather than telling it like it is that women are being pressurised by the establishment to put career before family.While having children later in life obviously cuts down on the pension bill when offspring have to bury their parents long before they retire themselves. :imp:

mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/nico … re-8958937

dailymail.co.uk/news/article … ebomb.html

dailymail.co.uk/news/article … rhood.html

While as I said that type of PC feminist view is obviously heading on a direct collision course both in regards to values of many of the immigrant population.Together with the obvious contradiction in the establishment telling us that we have to keep accepting large amounts of immigration because the indigenous birthrate is too low to replace itself.While telling young women of child bearing age,at least among the indigenous community,to put their full time career potential over having a family. :imp: :unamused:

Also bearing in mind those aren’t just my views or Harry’s views or our parents’ views.They are also increasingly the views of many women of all ages.Which no surprise the feminist cause and its supporters selectively choose to ignore.

Why on earth would it be surprising that not every woman wants to stay at home and raise children. I have friends that have had children and wished they had more, ones that were happy with however many they had, ones who , and this is rarely spoken about , wish they hadn’t had them and women like me who never wanted any so didn’t. It is nothing to do with indoctrination for me, I don’t like babies or children. To me it’s the most soul killing life to have.

It’s both amusing and patronising that you suggest to a woman that’s built up a successful haulage business and stayed in business for over 25 years, that I might be unable to clearly understand what I want for myself.

Personally I’m not into pigeon holing people of any gender. I used to be a semi pro bellydancer (God knows what dipper will come out with), and on a weekender with around 400 other women and one bloke. If that’s what he wanted to do… And he wasn’t effeminate, in fact he looked like an accountant. You see there isn’t a one size fits all template that fits all; men and women have all sorts of messy individual traits and habits.

I’m probably blessed that the late Mr Albion wasn’t of your mind set. I spent 8 years building the business up before he joined me when I opened the second depot. He never had any idea that a woman’s place was in the home; most of the time he only had a vague idea where I was. Then again, his ex was Arabella Davies (ME guys will probably know of her), a woman trucker back in the 70s.

I don’t dictate what path anyone else takes in life, you want to stay at home and look after digests , crack on. You want to be a hairdresser, an engineer, whatever, I’m not bothered.

And why I should know what the establishment wants, I don’t know.

Am I feminist, probably. But it’s a broad church and your interpretation isn’t mine. I can remember when women couldn’t sign a credit agreement even if it was their money and that’s wrong. I’m not old enough :wink: to remember not being able to vote, about being a man’s property, but that’s where my feminism comes from.

Don’t ascribe views to me that you pluck from the air.

I didn’t ascribe any views to you.I said if that’s what you personally want to do that’s your choice fine.

‘However’ you didn’t answer my question.Are you saying that any young woman who wants to opt out of the ‘education’ regime,with the intention of having a family by the age of around 20 and not in any way prioritising or wanting a cereer for herself ( IE such as getting good grades and going to university for example ) other than just part time shop work that fits around ‘her’ ‘preferred’ domestic life,for example,wouldn’t be pressurised by that regime to forget the idea.If you’re agreeing that she would be pressurised into dropping the idea do you support that situation or not ?.IE my case is that PC establishment feminism is all about freedom of choice when it suits it but not when it doesn’t. :bulb:

Yes I did. You said’ are you seriously suggesting that it’s acceptable to tthe establishment…'. And I said I hadn’t a clue, because I just speak for me and not the establishment.

As for PC feminism go and ask someone who thinks along whatever lines you think they think, at the risk of repeating myself I don’t care personally wether someone’s the PM or a housewife.

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So if I’m not much mistaken Carryfast is disagreeing with a woman about the thought processes going on in the female mind :open_mouth:

Bloody hell! he must have less experience of women than me. :blush: :laughing:

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muckles:
So if I’m not much mistaken Carryfast is disagreeing with a woman about the thought processes going on in the female mind :open_mouth:

Bloody hell! he must have less experience of women than me. :blush: :laughing:

Reminds me of the old joke of God looking down on Patrick and sees he was a choirboy, married his first girlfriend, looked after his ageing parents, did charity work. And God thinks that he deserves a reward on earth instead of waiting for the afterlife.

So he pops down and tells Pat he wants to make a wish come true. Pat thinks and says, he loves his motorbike, and he’d love it if there was a bridge going from N Ireland to Scotland that he could cruise over on his bike.

And God looks a bit put out and asks if he realises how big an engineering project that is.

Patrick agrees and says instead of being so selfish, he’d like to know what goes on in a woman’s mind, what makes her tick.

God answers, how many lanes would you like on your bridge? :grimacing:

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Harry Monk:
Well, “equal to” does not mean “same as”. Perhaps women generally have less interest in operating heavy machinery in the same way that men tend not to seek work as beauticians.

Have you lost your marbles? 1 pea, three cups and you come out with that …? I must admit i got you all wrong.

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Juddian:
The shortage is of reliable competent drivers who take a pride in their work, there is no shortage of licence holders and nor has there ever been.
To be fair there’s also a shortage of people prepared to work the hours involved for the rewards offered by companies like the one in the article.

Dumbing the the skills needed to do the job down over the years hasn’t helped because it continues to drive out those who take a pride in their work, some operators realise this and treat their staff with respect allowing them to do their jobs without nick picking every second of their work, other operators continue putting ever more nails into their own skills coffins as each new memo enforcing further lowest common denominator downgrading further alienates the remaining competent staff.

There is little more demoralising than someone in an office who knows next to bugger all coming up with ever more ■■■■■■■■ for the few idiots that they (no one else) employed, but each memo and notice is for all drivers…just one small example of the ever lower standard of management, they lack the ■■■■■■■■ to sort out the handful of idiots every yard has, instead we have to dumb the good majority down to their level.

I see no change to this regime happening any time soon, and the race to the bottom continues.

If all they want is a bum on a seat then thats fine thats exactly what they’ll get, but they want compliant little robots whilst still expecting highly skilled and motivated people to give their best and pay them numpty money

^ This

As people get dumber and dumber, and the schools mold the next generation (…oops sorry, silly me, I meant ‘educate’ them… :unamused: ) into the perfect little docile units of conformant labour required, they will eventually get exactly what they want. Pre-loaded human robots.

If you look carefully enough you can already see the trend in full swing.

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Carryfast:
‘However’ you didn’t answer my question.Are you saying that any young woman who wants to opt out of the ‘education’ regime,with the intention of having a family by the age of around 20 and not in any way prioritising or wanting a cereer for herself ( IE such as getting good grades and going to university for example ) other than just part time shop work that fits around ‘her’ ‘preferred’ domestic life,for example,wouldn’t be pressurised by that regime to forget the idea.If you’re agreeing that she would be pressurised into dropping the idea do you support that situation or not ?.IE my case is that PC establishment feminism is all about freedom of choice when it suits it but not when it doesn’t. :bulb:

‘Indoctrination’, Carryfasts buzzword du jour. The idea is in this modern world people can live how they want. You really think a 20 something who’s chosen to build a career for herself does it because the government has indoctrinated her? It’s a laughable theory. As it happens I know two women who decided to give up work after having a baby, the most recent my sister in law and guess what? No one pressurised her to go back to work, everyone wanted her to do what she thought right. THAT is what the modern world is about, freedom to choose. So where does this mythical indoctrination and pressure in your theory come from? Do the government haSo was Department of Indoctrination with staff who visit all new mothers to tell them to go back to work?

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Mike-C:

Harry Monk:
Well, “equal to” does not mean “same as”. Perhaps women generally have less interest in operating heavy machinery in the same way that men tend not to seek work as beauticians.

Have you lost your marbles? 1 pea, three cups and you come out with that …? I must admit i got you all wrong.

Ignore me I was going for a ‘2 girls, 1 cup’, reference but lost my thread of thought.

Anyway playing ‘find the lady’ in trucking terms is quite relevant so nice one.

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Instead of opinions perhaps we should just consider some facts -

I am 5ft tall and 11 stone. Stood next to a man who is exactly the same size and weight I am only half as strong in my arms and two thirds as strong in my legs. That’s human biology, not sexism

Whatever my views on work, there is stuff around that I just can’t physically do, never mind how much I want to do it.

I never wanted kids and I am too plain speaking to work in retail or customer services. I ran my own company for years and now I drive a lorry. I love it and it was my choice to take it up

We need to sort out lots of things about this industry to get more people into it. It’s got nothing to do with ■■■ particularly but more to do with decent pay, conditions and facilities

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good_friend:
Instead of opinions perhaps we should just consider some facts -

I am 5ft tall and 11 stone. Stood next to a man who is exactly the same size and weight I am only half as strong in my arms and two thirds as strong in my legs. That’s human biology, not sexism

Whatever my views on work, there is stuff around that I just can’t physically do, never mind how much I want to do it.

I never wanted kids and I am too plain speaking to work in retail or customer services. I ran my own company for years and now I drive a lorry. I love it and it was my choice to take it up

We need to sort out lots of things about this industry to get more people into it. It’s got nothing to do with ■■■ particularly but more to do with decent pay, conditions and facilities

Exactly. No theories needed just some common sense and a proper workable plan and of course intelligent people to implement it. Maybe in the next life?

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“We need to sort out lots of things about this industry to get more people into it. It’s got nothing to do with ■■■ particularly but more to do with decent pay, conditions and facilities”

I read the article and it states that the starting salary is £28000.
I wonder if anyone reads it and thinks, "Hmmm, Ill have a go at that, sounds great". Only to find that in order to get £28000 they have to do 70 hours a week while sleeping in laybys for 5 nights and to totally give up any like a home life or social life. They then get normal job and theres another statistic of someone who has a C+E and doesn`t use it.

£28000 is fine for 40 hrs, (£13.50ish P/Hr), but to do 2 weeks work for one weeks pay, week after week isn`t that clever is it?

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Harry Monk:
I personally think the idea of women going out to work is a fantastic idea, as did my Uncle Joe. :wink:

Socialism in action.Just as the BBC ( Pravda ) like it. :smiling_imp: :laughing: :laughing:

While any kids she does have will be the property of the state and raised in a state provided creche facility and indoctrinated with with the same ideology of being compliant worker drones,for the next generation. :frowning:

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switchlogic:
‘Indoctrination’, Carryfasts buzzword du jour. The idea is in this modern world freedom to choose.

I was actually talking about the type of young woman who tells her ‘education providers’ to shove all the bs grades and further education and/or career bollox.She wants to leave school and settle down into married life as a housewife with maybe just a part time job as a shop assistant,with a family by the age of 20. :unamused: You’re saying she’ll be given the ‘right to choose’ in that case you’re avin a larf.

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Goodness, are we moving into the ‘condoms’ argument now instead of continuing the one about bringing people into this industry?

Albion - I went to a convent as well. Perhaps there is a statistic about ex-convent girls into trucking? I wonder what comments will be made about that one :smiley: :smiley:

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good_friend:
Goodness, are we moving into the ‘condoms’ argument now instead of continuing the one about bringing people into this industry?

Albion - I went to a convent as well. Perhaps there is a statistic about ex-convent girls into trucking? I wonder what comments will be made about that one :smiley: :smiley:

That we kick against instructional education? :smiley: I mentioned Arabella Davies earlier, she’d been to a finishing school, given that she drove in the middle east in the 70s I don’t think she was quite what the finishing school expected.

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cheekymonkey:
“We need to sort out lots of things about this industry to get more people into it. It’s got nothing to do with ■■■ particularly but more to do with decent pay, conditions and facilities”

I read the article and it states that the starting salary is £28000.
I wonder if anyone reads it and thinks, "Hmmm, Ill have a go at that, sounds great". Only to find that in order to get £28000 they have to do 70 hours a week while sleeping in laybys for 5 nights and to totally give up any like a home life or social life. They then get normal job and theres another statistic of someone who has a C+E and doesn`t use it.

£28000 is fine for 40 hrs, (£13.50ish P/Hr), but to do 2 weeks work for one weeks pay, week after week isn`t that clever is it?

To be fair to the industry there are plenty of other career ‘choices’ that will still mean time away from home.Including management/acedemic roles like sales management the only difference being a company booked hotel room v a truck cab.The latter mainly being a more flexible option over the old idea of drivers ‘digs’.While at best most driving type roles will need a 12 hour day and/or weekend working for operational requirements although maybe more 4 on 4 off type rotas would help in that regard.Which is better than 8 hours in a factory or warehouse depending on if someone prefers driving for a living.Whether that’s a good option for any woman who wants to raise a family is another question.

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Carryfast:

switchlogic:
‘Indoctrination’, Carryfasts buzzword du jour. The idea is in this modern world freedom to choose.

I was actually talking about the type of young woman who tells her ‘education providers’ to shove all the bs grades and further education and/or career bollox.She wants to leave school and settle down into married life as a housewife with maybe just a part time job as a shop assistant,with a family by the age of 20. :unamused: You’re saying she’ll be given the ‘right to choose’ in that case you’re avin a larf.

More fiction. More crap spouted from the man who thinks he knows it all. How the f do you know what young women of 20 are doing? The closest you get is ■■■■■■■ after them, tho they are probably a bit over the hill for you…