That’s pretty much EXACTLY what the job is mate. Getting stuck in traffic and planners/goods in trying to talk to you like a 2at.
The gas man:
I personally liked this line …“Some of the facilities at service stations and depots where we deliver to can be awful. There’ll be one toilet for all drivers to use, and it won’t have been cleaned enough. It’s not nice for women to deal with that.”
So it’s ok for the fella’s to have facilities in poor state ■■
#alltruckersmatter
You know you can take a positive or a negative out of that statement you quoted. And i get the point you make. And its been that way for a very long time. Wouldn’t it be ironic if something as simple as “women” having to put up with this type stuff was the catyalist for change for the better for all of us ?
I think its a great initiative. I’ve long been a critic of companies NOT investing in drivers and training them. There seems to be a little resurgence of companies actually doing …invest/train. B and M Bargains is one, Downtons is now another, i also seen adverts locally for Tarmac, they where after training people to use concrte mixers and put them through their Class 2, but better wages than the Downtons gig above. But certainley by any standards Companies actually investing in the staff they want has got to be a good thing. They get the driver they want, the prospective driver gets the job and quals they want. Whats not to like ? Thats the way foreward.
F-reds:
There’s nothing distasteful in being protective to women at all old chum. There is however everything distasteful in being patronising to women. If they want to work 12+ hours a day driving a truck, then let them, it’s their choice. Equally if a dude fancies staying at home to raise the kids, that’s fine too. Your views on women in the work place are just like your views on automatic gearboxes; outdated. You’re a dinosaur.
I think that the point is more one of women being indoctrinated from an early age that they ‘should’ be driving the trucks,let alone facing front line military service,and the men ‘should’ be at home as house husbands.Or employers being bullied into applying reverse discriminatory employment policies to meet your bs PC aims.How is that supposedly ‘protective of women’.
As for autos no they are just there to make it easier for even bad car drivers to drive trucks.Although I’m sure that any decent woman driver would find your patronising view,of those who prefer to drive manual vehicles,equally distasteful.
Harry Monk:
Actually, my own Mum- 81 now- says that things were better in the 1960s, when the man went out to work, the woman stayed at home and raised the children, and a family could buy a house on just the man’s earnings. I don’t know if that makes her “old fashioned” but it does seem to make sense to me.
Blimey Harry now you’ve done it agreeing with me.Hope she’s prepared for the flak from those like Switch. 
Carryfast:
Harry Monk:
Actually, my own Mum- 81 now- says that things were better in the 1960s, when the man went out to work, the woman stayed at home and raised the children, and a family could buy a house on just the man’s earnings. I don’t know if that makes her “old fashioned” but it does seem to make sense to me.Blimey Harry now you’ve done it agreeing with me.Hope she’s prepared for the flak from those like Switch.
You both, and Harrys mum think things where better in the sixties because you are old. That does not matter now. What matters now is what young women think, and what they want to do. Thats what matters, not your notion of what they “should” do.
Harry Monk:
The irony is that as the workforce steadily ages, it decides that it doesn’t want to work 15 hour days any more, but as the pool of available labour diminishes, the last thing the haulage industry would want is to reduce productivity among the remainers, and so it becomes a vicious circle.
The irony in that is 15 hour days are actually a symptom of the lack of productivety.In large part enforced by hours regs and fuel taxation which makes it cheaper and more profitable to use trucks as temporary warehousing space than shifting freight.
While you can add to that the fact that sending the nation’s women out to work for 12 + hours per day with an artic won’t make those zb class 2 ( 3 ) and 7.5 t multi drop etc jobs on the agency books any more attractive regardless of the gender of who’s driving them.
Carryfast:
The irony in that is 15 hour days are actually a symptom of the lack of productivety.
Last time we had a lack of productivity we introduced a "Womens Land Army " . BOOM !!! 
Mike-C:
Carryfast:
Harry Monk:
Actually, my own Mum- 81 now- says that things were better in the 1960s, when the man went out to work, the woman stayed at home and raised the children, and a family could buy a house on just the man’s earnings. I don’t know if that makes her “old fashioned” but it does seem to make sense to me.Blimey Harry now you’ve done it agreeing with me.Hope she’s prepared for the flak from those like Switch.
You both, and Harrys mum think things where better in the sixties because you are old. That does not matter now. What matters now is what young women think, and what they want to do. Thats what matters, not your notion of what they “should” do.
I was actually going by the discussions with the ‘daughters’ and ‘grand daughters’ of those of my/Harry’s mum’s generation.In that many of them are ( rightly ) disillusioned with having been indoctrinated with the feminist dream only for it in reality to be a nightmare for them personally.In now being subject to all the stresses and pressures of being part of the nation’s workforce that previously was taken on mostly by the man of the house.With it now taking two full time wage earners to make ends meet instead of just one.IE not a case of ‘should’ more one of I told you so you should have listened to your mother/grandmother.The real eventual backlash against all the PC feminist bs will probably come from the Asian immigrant population at least in that regard.Because there’s no way that they’ll put up with it unlike the compliant indigenous population.
Mike-C:
Carryfast:
The irony in that is 15 hour days are actually a symptom of the lack of productivety.Last time we had a lack of productivity we introduced a "Womens Land Army " . BOOM !!!
That ended well when all the conscripts were demobbed and wanted their jobs back in the factories and in the fields that the women had taken.
Carryfast:
Mike-C:
Carryfast:
The irony in that is 15 hour days are actually a symptom of the lack of productivety.Last time we had a lack of productivity we introduced a "Womens Land Army " . BOOM !!!
That ended well when all the conscripts were demobbed and wanted their jobs back in the factories and in the fields that the women had taken.
Of course it ended well, we had a boom and went from making bombs, bombers and bullets…to cars, housing and consumer goods. An oft said phrase from the time after the war till the 70’s or a bit later …" you could just go from job to job", and i’m not wrong.
Carryfast:
I was actually going by the discussions with the ‘daughters’ and ‘grand daughters’ of those of my/Harry’s mum’s generation.In that many of them are ( rightly ) disillusioned with having been indoctrinated with the feminist dream only for it in reality to be a nightmare for them personally.In now being subject to all the stresses and pressures of being part of the nation’s workforce that previously was taken on mostly by the man of the house.With it now taking two full time wage earners to make ends meet instead of just one.IE not a case of ‘should’ more one of I told you so you should have listened to your mother/grandmother.The real eventual backlash against all the PC feminist bs will probably come from the Asian immigrant population at least in that regard.Because there’s no way that they’ll put up with it unlike the compliant indigenous population.
A… I give up. !!!
Mike-C:
Carryfast:
That ended well when all the conscripts were demobbed and wanted their jobs back in the factories and in the fields that the women had taken.Of course it ended well, we had a boom and went from making bombs, bombers and bullets…to cars, housing and consumer goods. An oft said phrase from the time after the war till the 70’s or a bit later …" you could just go from job to job", and i’m not wrong.
That’s because the ‘conscripts’ in general won the argument at that point in time.Then the feminists fought back and we ended up with that situation of men and women competing for jobs and wages and two lots of full time wages being needed to run a household and women having to work as hard as men.Trust me Harry’s mum has got it right. 
Mike-C:
The gas man:
I personally liked this line …“Some of the facilities at service stations and depots where we deliver to can be awful. There’ll be one toilet for all drivers to use, and it won’t have been cleaned enough. It’s not nice for women to deal with that.”
So it’s ok for the fella’s to have facilities in poor state ■■
#alltruckersmatter
You know you can take a positive or a negative out of that statement you quoted. And i get the point you make. And its been that way for a very long time. Wouldn’t it be ironic if something as simple as “women” having to put up with this type stuff was the catyalist for change for the better for all of us ?
And I completely agree with that, that yes maybe if as you stated “Wouldn’t it be ironic if something as simple as “women” having to put up with this type stuff was the catyalist for change for the better for all of us ?” but surely as there’s already ladies out there now grafting and having to share these p poor facilities and the way the jobs getting that we would of already seen a slight increase in better services and treatment.
In an ideal situation we’d all have better facilities but as its been said many times that some people leave places in a state and after a while the provider is either going to close them to us or just leave them as some have left them.
Yep women won’t take crappy facilities lying down like we have, better loos, better showers, better facilities are a lot closer with more ladies on board. Probably just for the girls though to start with.
With so many sectors the plethora of choice for women to get into trucking must be very tempting.
Perhaps the male truckers need to improve their image a bit from overweight middle aged letches to fitter metro ■■■■■■ fellas with a caring passionate side like myself.
It amazes me when a female driver appears there are flocks of males gathering round for a look/letch as if it is the only female they have ever seen 
I sometimes get embarrassed for them - so sad 
Carryfast:
Juddian:
Let us not forget the many women who already work alongside us in this job, as many have done long before most of us here.They’ve drive all the old bangers with all that entailed, roped and sheeted, stripped tilts out, loaded and strapped down and driven car transporters and petrol tankers and chained oversized loads down and delivered plant and driven tippers and all manner of jobs, they are our equals and always will be, which is only right if they do the same job as men and get the same pay for the same effort/hours worked.
They didn’t ask for nor expect special treatment, and the ones i’ve worked with, and still do, have earned the respect they get, just like any bloke would have, they have a good effect in that they help moderate the sometimes colourful language found in transport which is a good thing, and if we find it in ourselves to offer a helping hand when the job is heavy it isn’t being sexist…and to be fair i’ve never found a militant feminist female lorry driver yet…it’s some of us finding a bit of long lost chivalry which is seldom refused because its offered in a gentlemanly way and not in a demeaning way, i hope.
It depends on the definition of respect.In wartime we had to treat women as part of the nation’s workforce because we had no option.But sending women out to do a man’s job just seems silly and no good for anyone either the men left on the dole while the women do the work.Or the women who either compromise their domestic role in life of having raising a family then regret it later and the father saying that mum will be home late tonight or won’t be at home in the morning.Or suffer the health effects and reduced life expectancy which results from doing a man’s work.
Brilliant CF. Normally I skip a lot of your posts because it’s in danger of sending me to sleep. But this, I’ll have to come back when I’ve changed my knickers, can’t remember laughing so much for ages.
Dipper_Dave:
Yep women won’t take crappy facilities lying down like we have, better loos, better showers, better facilities are a lot closer with more ladies on board. Probably just for the girls though to start with.With so many sectors the plethora of choice for women to get into trucking must be very tempting.
Perhaps the male truckers need to improve their image a bit from overweight middle aged letches to fitter metro ■■■■■■ fellas with a caring passionate side like myself.
Wouldn’t that be compassionate, not passionate? Think you dropped your ball there Dipper
James the cat:
Think you dropped your ball there Dipper
He doesn’t need ammunition, he has a pre loaded function
My work involvesgoing into schools and libraries ,I notice very few male members of staff in those places. The primary schools are entirely staffed by females and high schools are half in half.