It’s like someone’s died around here - now that Tsipras has folded the nuts. 
Carryfast:
BillyHunt:
Alternatively we could keep the status quo, whereby we stay up here working for peanuts & living in holes in the ground, while you keep all the newcomers to run your burger vans & kebab shops. Works for me.
If they can get from Afghanistan to the UK they wouldn’t have much trouble getting from the terrible North down to the glorious south now would they, not when we bus them in for you anyway. Also works for me.
No surprise it sounds like the Norf is all for loads of immigration just so long as it’s kept down here.A bit like their ideas on air ports provision and development in general.While your idea won’t work being that the government says that it wants people to work where they live.Which in this case means developing those barren northern wastelands and providing the infrastructure for same.If Cameron is right it should turn the North into the new China.
Correct, send or keep them where the money & jobs are, you need them more than us to keep your prices up & feel all important and that.
Be serious for a change, what are the chances of any government, of any colour, spending money developing the North? The A1 is still single track for the majority of road between Newcastle & Berwick ffs, that’s a small town in the north to the Scottish border for you shandy bashers btw.
I have a saying: For every 50 miles you travel north you go back in time 100 years 
North Power house is coming according to Torys. Lets see how that works out.
Haleluja Manchester !! 
alder:
I have a saying: For every 50 miles you travel north you go back in time 100 years
It’s at least that much, maybe more. 
Dan ze Man:
North Power house is coming according to Torys. Lets see how that works out.Haleluja Manchester !!
Is that the same as 2 jags Prescott saying the A1 will be dual carriageway in our parliament? Just as long as they keep HS2 away from the north east, oh hang on!
Carryfast:
To take their fair share of the immigrant population and extend Manchester and East Midlands airports to provide the same existing ‘combined’ runway capacity as Heathrow,Stansted,Luton and Gatwick and then make the airlines use it.Amongst other plans.
How do you make an airline use another airport? If it doesn’t pay enough they wont go there.
As for all this objection to moving north I would like to put in my little bit. I moved two weeks ago from Luton, where £750 a month rents you a poor to average big one bed or small two bed flat, to Sheffield, where the same amount has me in a six bedroom house. I can work as easily up here as I can down there, the rates are almost the same and the cost of living is lower.
Ok, commuting to London would be a ■■■■■ from here but I go in on a Monday and come home on a Friday so I can really work anywhere in the country.
I don’t want to live in the North, but I don’t really want to live in the south with white collar idiots looking down on the hard working people who provide their nice things but cant afford to buy them.
The only other question that comes to mind is how the hell did the tube strike become involved in a discussion on minimum wage? They feel they have a reasonable dispute, I think they are wrong but if enough people voted for the strike it’s their right to do it. But given that a TfL tube driver will never be on minimum wage, what part of this discussion relates to the London action?
One company I went for interview to last year was quoting wages of £550 to £650 week, hauling steel. The reality was £7.20 hour on rigids and £8.00 hour on artics. Another company I enquired with this year driving eight legged tippers on muck shift and quarry work was paying a paltry £7.00 hour.
Company I drive for now pays more sensible rates, pays for breaks, overtime at time and a half and I’m home very night. Companies like that are few and far between nowadays though.
LIBERTY_GUY:
One company I went for interview to last year was quoting wages of £550 to £650 week, hauling steel. The reality was £7.20 hour on rigids and £8.00 hour on artics. Another company I enquired with this year driving eight legged tippers on muck shift and quarry work was paying a paltry £7.00 hour.Company I drive for now pays more sensible rates, pays for breaks, overtime at time and a half and I’m home very night. Companies like that are few and far between nowadays though.
Problem is not the employers but the drivers who go and work for these low rates. What can be done though when the country is getting flooded with cheap eastern European labour who live 15 to a flat and happily work for £6.50 an hour?
nsmith1180:
Carryfast:
To take their fair share of the immigrant population and extend Manchester and East Midlands airports to provide the same existing ‘combined’ runway capacity as Heathrow,Stansted,Luton and Gatwick and then make the airlines use it.Amongst other plans.How do you make an airline use another airport? If it doesn’t pay enough they wont go there.
As for all this objection to moving north I would like to put in my little bit. I moved two weeks ago from Luton, where £750 a month rents you a poor to average big one bed or small two bed flat, to Sheffield, where the same amount has me in a six bedroom house. I can work as easily up here as I can down there, the rates are almost the same and the cost of living is lower.
Ok, commuting to London would be a ■■■■■ from here but I go in on a Monday and come home on a Friday so I can really work anywhere in the country.
I don’t want to live in the North, but I don’t really want to live in the south with white collar idiots looking down on the hard working people who provide their nice things but cant afford to buy them.
The only other question that comes to mind is how the hell did the tube strike become involved in a discussion on minimum wage? They feel they have a reasonable dispute, I think they are wrong but if enough people voted for the strike it’s their right to do it. But given that a TfL tube driver will never be on minimum wage, what part of this discussion relates to the London action?
The issue of stopping the northern NIMBY’s over developing the South East to keep their own place an underdeveloped under populated wilderness isn’t exactly an issue of choice.It’s one of our MP’s telling their’s to zb off and no we’ve got more than our fair share of the country’s population and infrastructure now it’s their turn to take some.On that note if the airlines don’t want to be involved in that transfer then tough.But the fact is they don’t get anymore runways here. 
As for tube drivers it’s all about fighting for and to maintain decent wages and terms and conditions.Which is obviously something that the road transport industry unions need to be following by example.
alder:
Problem is not the employers but the drivers who go and work for these low rates. What can be done though when the country is getting flooded with cheap eastern European labour who live 15 to a flat and happily work for £6.50 an hour?
Which is all about voting for and allowing the government to get away with a version of ‘Capitalism’ which is actually closer to Communism.
alder:
LIBERTY_GUY:
One company I went for interview to last year was quoting wages of £550 to £650 week, hauling steel. The reality was £7.20 hour on rigids and £8.00 hour on artics. Another company I enquired with this year driving eight legged tippers on muck shift and quarry work was paying a paltry £7.00 hour.Company I drive for now pays more sensible rates, pays for breaks, overtime at time and a half and I’m home very night. Companies like that are few and far between nowadays though.
Problem is not the employers but the drivers who go and work for these low rates. What can be done though when the country is getting flooded with cheap eastern European labour who live 15 to a flat and happily work for £6.50 an hour?
Surprisingly, neither of those two companies will actually employ East Europeans. 
A lot of the Polish folks that came over here a few years ago, turn their nose up at the low paid crud now and am sure the Latvians and others will follow their example when they have been here a while too. A lot of them have gone back home already and who can blame them.
Carryfast:
The issue of stopping the northern NIMBY’s over developing the South East to keep their own place an underdeveloped under populated wilderness isn’t exactly an issue of choice.It’s one of our MP’s telling their’s to zb off and no we’ve got more than our fair share of the country’s population and infrastructure now it’s their turn to take some.On that note if the airlines don’t want to be involved in that transfer then tough.But the fact is they don’t get anymore runways here.As for tube drivers it’s all about fighting for and to maintain decent wages and terms and conditions.Which is obviously something that the road transport industry unions need to be following by example.
No the issue is the fact that the south has always lorded it over the North, telling all & sundry how good it is, how high the pay is & how plentiful the jobs & housing are. Well now you can just keep sucking it up for us. I’m loving it.
As for the tube people, I couldn’t give a single one about them. Never been on the tube for over 40 years, never been on a train for 35 years, cannot see that changing. You’ve got the service you deserve so you can just keep on paying through your nose for the privilege of living there.
BillyHunt:
No the issue is the fact that the south has always lorded it over the North, telling all & sundry how good it is, how high the pay is & how plentiful the jobs & housing are. Well now you can just keep sucking it up for us. I’m loving it.
What on earth are you talking about? The pay for an HGV driver is no higher in the south of England than it is in Yorkshire, Lancashire etc, but the cost of basic housing is two or three times as much. Why would anybody “lord it” about having to hand over the majority of their wages just to have a roof over their head?
I’d be quite happy to debate this with you when you have sobered up.
Harry Monk:
BillyHunt:
Let’s face it, no self respecting illegal immigrant is going to voluntarily go anywhere but London & the south. More chance of work, better cash, better class of slum, more people to turn a blind eye to any unexpected new “family” members turning up, and tbh, they stick out like a turd on a billiard table up here.Isn’t Bradford “up there”?
I’m red/brown colour blind, so I’d lose the brown among the reds. 
It’ll be the cue ball that would stand out for me.
A bit like a white kid living in acre lane - like I did when I were a lad… 
BillyHunt:
Carryfast:
The issue of stopping the northern NIMBY’s over developing the South East to keep their own place an underdeveloped under populated wilderness isn’t exactly an issue of choice.It’s one of our MP’s telling their’s to zb off and no we’ve got more than our fair share of the country’s population and infrastructure now it’s their turn to take some.On that note if the airlines don’t want to be involved in that transfer then tough.But the fact is they don’t get anymore runways here.As for tube drivers it’s all about fighting for and to maintain decent wages and terms and conditions.Which is obviously something that the road transport industry unions need to be following by example.
No the issue is the fact that the south has always lorded it over the North, telling all & sundry how good it is, how high the pay is & how plentiful the jobs & housing are. Well now you can just keep sucking it up for us. I’m loving it.
That’s exactly the issue which our MP’s need to see for what it is.A bunch of,what are effectively foreigners,with a chip on their shoulder deliberately trying to wreck a part of the country as part of their politics of envy agenda.When it’s plain to see that the country needs to be split along local government lines in which the Norf’s zb MP’s look after their own business and ours look after ours.Which in this case means take your fair share of the country’s development and immigration quotas which you lot up there seem so keen on.Although obviously not so keen if/when it isn’t part of some agenda to wreck the quality of life of anyone living in the south east.
Carryfast:
alder:
Problem is not the employers but the drivers who go and work for these low rates. What can be done though when the country is getting flooded with cheap eastern European labour who live 15 to a flat and happily work for £6.50 an hour?Which is all about voting for and allowing the government to get away with a version of ‘Capitalism’ which is actually closer to Communism.
…Meanwhile, the Chinese brand of “Communism” is actually closer to what used to be called “Capitalism”.
In a capitalist society - failing firms are allowed to go bust. There is no such thing as a bail-out. The company failing - takes the wealth away from any wealthy members of the company as well.
All the modern bull about “limited liability” or “easy-to-get-out-of taxes” or “laws breakable by those investing money here from abroad”
has poisoned what ‘capitalism’ was supposed to be about.
Today, people think Capitalism is the problem rather than the solution. It isn’t. It’s what Capitalism has been corrupted into - which is pretty much ‘Corporate Nazism’';
- Attempts by our modern business-owning politicians to be both ‘Nationalist’ AND ‘Socialist’ - but in the end, it’s just a big lie that will be believed by enough people at the thin end of the wedge - to get it established in the mainstream.
The biggest Irony of all - is that this ‘modern wolf in sheep’s clothing’ - was manufactured by the very people that Hitler tried and failed to do away with…
The tail is wagging the dog in the form of Angela Merkel (starring as ‘the dog’ here) being told that “The EU has to get it’s pound of flesh” out of the Greeks.
One wonders what bribes have been offered our own politicians that we are further away from ditching our so-called place in the EU than ever.
Winseer:
Carryfast:
alder:
Problem is not the employers but the drivers who go and work for these low rates. What can be done though when the country is getting flooded with cheap eastern European labour who live 15 to a flat and happily work for £6.50 an hour?Which is all about voting for and allowing the government to get away with a version of ‘Capitalism’ which is actually closer to Communism.
…Meanwhile, the Chinese brand of “Communism” is actually closer to what used to be called “Capitalism”.
In a capitalist society - failing firms are allowed to go bust. There is no such thing as a bail-out. The company failing - takes the wealth away from any wealthy members of the company as well.
All the modern bull about “limited liability” or “easy-to-get-out-of taxes” or “laws breakable by those investing money here from abroad”
has poisoned what ‘capitalism’ was supposed to be about.Today, people think Capitalism is the problem rather than the solution. It isn’t. It’s what Capitalism has been corrupted into - which is pretty much ‘Corporate Nazism’';
- Attempts by our modern business-owning politicians to be both ‘Nationalist’ AND ‘Socialist’ - but in the end, it’s just a big lie that will be believed by enough people at the thin end of the wedge - to get it established in the mainstream.
The biggest Irony of all - is that this ‘modern wolf in sheep’s clothing’ - was manufactured by the very people that Hitler tried and failed to do away with…
The tail is wagging the dog in the form of Angela Merkel (starring as ‘the dog’ here) being told that “The EU has to get it’s pound of flesh” out of the Greeks.
One wonders what bribes have been offered our own politicians that we are further away from ditching our so-called place in the EU than ever.
With the exception that I don’t think that it’s got anything whatsoever to do with the usual scapegoats.While I think that Heath,Nixon,Thatcher and Reagan,where it seems to have originated from,were not of that group and that this is actually a deliberately corrupted form of Capitalism to the point where it has actually met with Chinese Communism on the Chinese Communist side of the middle.
+1.
…Have we not already walked past the Chinese coming the other way on this?
“As I was travelling to St Ives…”
Winseer:
…Have we not already walked past the Chinese coming the other way on this?“As I was travelling to St Ives…”
I meant we’ve met them on the Chinese side of the middle ground.IE an economic system dedicated to the exploitation of cheap labour for the benefit of those who are more equal than the others.