Carryfast:
muckles:
Where in the domestic regulations does it say adequate rest is 12 hours?Simply in the maths of 24 hours - 11 hours duty assuming 1 hour break.Or the fact that the regs don’t mean 24 hour shift made up of 11 hours duty + 13 hours ‘break’.
Assumption is the mother of all ■■■■ ups
muckles:
OVLOV JAY:
I wouldn’t trust a single thing that clown says about Europe
Funny nobody says the same thing about Boris Johnson, considering some of the pro cycling anti truck statements he made as Mayor of London.
That’s the benefit of being in a centre ground on politics, and not making statements on political leanings or principals. I think Boris Johnson was a bell end on his attitude toward trucks and cyclists, but he has limited knowledge of those matters. But I trust what he says on the eu. It’s nice being on the fence, you can see both sides of it 
muckles:
OVLOV JAY:
I wouldn’t trust a single thing that clown says about Europe
Funny nobody says the same thing about Boris Johnson, considering some of the pro cycling anti truck statements he made as Mayor of London.
Well i’ll say it, i don’t trust him or Gove or any of the tory official Leave (but not really cos we’re really europhiles who want to renegotiate and take over from Blair’s son and have another vote like Eire) group.
If any of these modern tories told me it was daylight outside i’d have to go out and have a bloody look.
The other lot with Farage, Bone, Hoey etc are the real leave deal hence why Johnson et al want nothing to do with them…and being the real leave deal didn’t get the official leave designation from the electoral commission…whoda thought that would happen 
We wouldn’t have a bloody referendum if it wasn’t for Farage, that man like him or hate him is the best thing thats happened to British politics in 20 years, he’s actually made politics interesting again.
We’ve had three slightly left of centre identikit parties since that arse Major (arguably the first NuLab PM) and swine Blair minced onto the scene, you couldn’t get a ■■■ paper between the LibLabCon and it mattered not which of the sods you voted for you got a Blair or a wishy washy Blairite in blue ■■■■■■■ or a waste of space in the form of whichever liberal happened to be holding the communal potty at the moment…little wonder the BNP got a million votes a few years ago leading to Nick Griffin being an MEP, that shook the buggers up for a while.
@ Dolph.
Don’t ask me mate, the British electorate put that Blair thing into number 10 three times on the trot, so putting Cast Iron Cameron in twice is nothing at all to worry about in comparison, still baffling how a majority working class electorate can vote so consistently for their own lingering end, turkeys voting for Christmas and they seem amazed when Dec 25th arrives without fail.
Carryfast:
muckles:
Where does it say 1 hour break in the regs?As I said feel free to book 11 hours duty and 13 hours of ‘break’ under domestic regs then tell DVSA that the 13 hours were all spent sleeping on a loading bay one hour at a time.IE domestic regs are based on common sense unlike EU ones.
Where does it say that the domestic regulations are based on common sense?
Dolph:
OVLOV JAY:
I wouldn’t trust a single thing that clown says about Europe
Well its your choice, but I find British politics very strange, PM’s like Cameron are hated and distrust and in the same time reelected. How the hell this happen.
This reminds me of the Churchill words:“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter”.
Yes we do have a habit of ending up with total zb wits like Heath,Callaghan,Thatcher,Major,Blair,Brown and Cameron.The bit they’ve all got in common is that they were/are all Europhiles.Probably because people vote along blinkered tribal Party lines not on what each individual candidate actually stands for. 
As for you as I said Bulgaria isn’t exactly perfect in that regard.In still saying they don’t want Merkel’s and Cameron’s plan for fastrack Turkish EU membership.While supporting them in an agenda of exactly that.A bit like the situation in 1914 in that regard. 
muckles:
Where does it say that the domestic regulations are based on common sense?
Things that are based on common sense by definition don’t need to advertise the fact.
They also don’t say you can’t work a 24 hour shift made up of 11 hours duty and 13 hours ‘break’.
Juddian:
muckles:
OVLOV JAY:
I wouldn’t trust a single thing that clown says about Europe
Funny nobody says the same thing about Boris Johnson, considering some of the pro cycling anti truck statements he made as Mayor of London.
Well i’ll say it, i don’t trust him or Gove or any of the tory official Leave (but not really cos we’re really europhiles who want to renegotiate and take over from Blair’s son and have another vote like Eire) group.
If any of these modern tories told me it was daylight outside i’d have to go out and have a bloody look.
I don’t trust them, I find it very strange that some of the over zealous in the leave campaign seem to take any public figure that supports the out campaign as the new messiah, regardless of their previous record and any pro EU as the devil.
Most on either side are no more than Snake Oil salesmen selling us a dream to make a quick buck.
Juddian:
The other lot with Farage, Bone, Hoey etc are the real leave deal hence why Johnson et al want nothing to do with them…and being the real leave deal didn’t get the official leave designation from the electoral commission…whoda thought that would happenWe wouldn’t have a bloody referendum if it wasn’t for Farage, that man like him or hate him is the best thing thats happened to British politics in 20 years, he’s actually made politics interesting again.
Although Farage didn’t directly get the referendum, it was more to quell decent in the Conservative party. He kept it in the public domain and gave tory defectors somewhere to go and laid the ground work, if you’d told me 5 years ago we’d have a referendum I would have seriously worried about your mental health.
Carryfast:
muckles:
Where does it say that the domestic regulations are based on common sense?Things that are based on common sense by definition don’t need to advertise the fact.
Who’s definition?
Carryfast:
They also don’t say you can’t work a 24 hour shift made up of 11 hours duty and 13 hours ‘break’.
Nothing in EU regs that state you have to work 3 x 15 hours days or can’t have more than 11 hours rest period.
Anyone who thinks that the government, current or future, will relax the rules is living in cloud cuckoo land. Truck drivers are not important in electoral terms but all those people who report you for using 7½ tonne bridges and 32 mph in villages are.
It would not surprise me a bit if some future government (and remember who introduced tachographs) actually introduced more regulations without repealing the current lot.
Santa:
Anyone who thinks that the government, current or future, will relax the rules is living in cloud cuckoo land. Truck drivers are not important in electoral terms but all those people who report you for using 7½ tonne bridges and 32 mph in villages are.
As are those who run business and complain about restrictive work practices, that add to admin and costs.
Maybe trust was an overstatement, but I definitely agree with BJ’s views on the referendum.
What seems clear is for most, you’ve either got to be a europhile or eurosceptic. I’m a centre right leaning sceptic. Sensible enough not to be scared by the scare mongering from both sides.
Do I have a problem with mass immigration? Yes I do. Am I stupid enough to think the bath will empty on June 24th, hell no. Do I blame suppression of wages on the eu’s open border policy? Dam right I do. Is it going to change? Probably not right away if at all. If your house is on fire, you can’t move back in just because the fires out. Lots of work needs to be done.
Suppression was stage one in the demise of our industry. Cabotage will be the end of it. I’m voting out to protect my job.
I’m voting out to give us a fighting chance to not be an African migrant dumping ground, halting the Islamic invasion.
I’m voting out to give my kids a brighter future in an independent country, not a European superstate.
I’m voting out to try and regain the self governance and democracy so many of our loved ones have laid down their lives to defend.
I don’t just see it as common sense, I see it as my duty
Juddian:
Well i’ll say it, i don’t trust him or Gove or any of the tory official Leave (but not really cos we’re really europhiles who want to renegotiate and take over from Blair’s son and have another vote like Eire) group.
If any of these modern tories told me it was daylight outside i’d have to go out and have a bloody look.The other lot with Farage, Bone, Hoey etc are the real leave deal hence why Johnson et al want nothing to do with them…and being the real leave deal didn’t get the official leave designation from the electoral commission…whoda thought that would happen
We wouldn’t have a bloody referendum if it wasn’t for Farage, that man like him or hate him is the best thing thats happened to British politics in 20 years, he’s actually made politics interesting again.
To be fair we’ll only know where the Leave lot really stand if the referendum isn’t a rigged scam to seal us in and if we get an out vote.The fact is the Eurosceptic Cons among the Leave group deserve an oscar if they’re just acting a part for a hidden Cameron agenda.On that note a few months maybe even weeks ago I’d have probably agreed with you.But something seems to suggest that this lot might just now be real allies of the GO campaign in that the division between Camoron and Leave seems too clear and too acrimonious to not be the real deal.
Having said that it’s obvious that there is a secondary dividing line within the out campaign itself as there should be between people like Hoey.As opposed to Hannan and Redwood and Gove and Boris.
Also remembering that David Davis and Farage and Liam Fox arguably form a third distinctly different group,more clearly allied to GO than Leave and in which it’s my guess will be most likely to hopefully carry on with the fight in the event of the nightmare of the referendum result keeping us in.If not will all hopefully be battling for the Conservative leadership against Gove and Boris if it’s an out vote.
Which leaves the question what happens to the Labour Party if it’s an out vote ?.
In which case we hopefully end up where we needed to be in 1975 with a Shore led Labour and Powell led Conservative co alition.Or at least a decent Labour opposition that is no longer just another bunch of champagne Socialist and Marxist no hopers,that will be working for the interests of the country,not Soviet Socialist ideology.Which is what we ‘would’ have got ‘if’ Shore and Benn and Heffer had won out in 1975 instead of Europhiles Wilson,Callaghan and Healey.That’s the idea of the type of sovereignty and democracy that the vote is all about.Not the cluster zb that we’ve had ruling us since 1973.
OVLOV JAY:
I’m voting out to try and regain the self governance and democracy so many of our loved ones have laid down their lives to defend.I don’t just see it as common sense, I see it as my duty
+1
I saw an article in a link on Facebook that said if we vote leave that parliament will vote to do a deal to keep us in the single market which seems the worst outcome possible.
However if Cameron would be able to remain in office if we vote leave is another question
kr79:
However if Cameron would be able to remain in office if we vote leave is another question
A politician with any sort honour and dignity would leave if he lost such a vote.
So I suppose he’ll be staying then. tishk boom.
i wonder if my old sparing partner mr billy c ops i mean bunt has had a rant on here on this topic ?
anyway thanks to ukip we are now facing a vote to either claim back our country or lose it forever
is it to late ? is driving now like the nhs and now so dependant on emigrants who are the only daft buggers to want to come over here and work in the industry mind you they can earn 4 times there monthly wage over here to them 400 quid a week is huge, i only wish i could find a country that would pay 6 grand a month as that would be how much it would work out for us should there be a country out there that offered such wages, now couldnt we all manage to live on 6 grand a month and send a lot back home ? we could even buy up some nice houses back home and still have plenty of money left over
but the fact is we dont have that opportunity, the bosses know that they can bring in people who will work for such low wages here in our terms as its a dam good wage for those who do come here
not to mention the child benefit they can claim and the working tax credits just to bump them up even more, its clear as my genital warts that we who live here are getting a good shafting and the polish etc are laughing at us for being so stupid for letting so many of them come over here and now its got to the point that there in such large numbers that i dont know how stobarts etc could cope without them
more and more drivers like me got out of it when the eu forced the cpc card on us many drivers hung on in there expecting a huge wage increase as they were the smart ones who got there card thinking there would be a huge shortage so they would cash in well i am glad that didnt happen as they wouldnt deserve anything for being such whimps
anyway i wonder now in all honesty if its just to late ? if we close the borders we will still let in drivers as the country would need them, i can only hope things change as it would be great to see the end of the cpc card and the job start to pay a good wage instead of it just being a cheap and nasty game it has turned into
desypete, you are correct to a big degree so to speak, but Im sure you will do the same if you are EE.
You can make $6000 as a company driver believe it or not in US, driving over the road(tramping), you just have to get use to the idea of living in your truck.
To “support” you last paragraph, at the place where I did assessment last week most British drivers were above 50, the assessor was above 60. All EE drivers, like me, my buddy from Poland, another buddy from Slovakia etc. are between 28 and 35. Most young Brits in the company work in the office and on a desk. And thats a good paying company, despite that they constantly cant find drivers…
Now where is the problem: in EE migrants, in native Brits, in EU, in UK, in razing kids with culture to go to college/university no matter what, I don’t know, but don’t blame us for doing what is best for us Legally!
Dolph:
To “support” you last paragraph, at the place where I did assessment last week most British drivers were above 50, the assessor was above 60. All EE drivers, like me, my buddy from Poland, another buddy from Slovakia etc. are between 28 and 35. Most young Brits in the company work in the office and on a desk. And thats a good paying company, despite that they constantly cant find drivers…
Now where is the problem: in EE migrants, in native Brits, in EU, in UK, in razing kids with culture to go to college/university no matter what, I don’t know, but don’t blame us for doing what is best for us Legally!
As you’ll have seen in numerous posts on here ‘young Brit’ drivers have always had the problem of the bs ‘experience’ hurdle to put up with.In addition to numerous other pecking order issues which mean that it’s too often a case of knowing the right people or getting a lucky break to get a start.You can now obviously add to that the issue of the East Euro workforce adding to the labour supply.Which is a vicious circle of at best the employers having to keep giving the available jobs to that immigrant workforce to maintain the attraction to keep that supply going.Or at worse an immigrant infiltrated recruitment sector that only employs ‘their own’ as part of the above.
On that note if you really think that there are no Brit drivers wanting the jobs.Then you’ll obviously have no problem with a condition that any job taken by an East Euro immigrant worker has to remain advertised and given to any indigenous worker who wants it.Regardless of their level of ‘experience’.
As for the American example.As you found yourself that’s bs being that the idea of open door US immigration ended in the early 20th century.After which time the idea is nothing more than a myth.
OVLOV JAY:
Do I have a problem with mass immigration? Yes I do. Am I stupid enough to think the bath will empty on June 24th, hell no. Do I blame suppression of wages on the eu’s open border policy? Dam right I do. Is it going to change? Probably not right away if at all. If your house is on fire, you can’t move back in just because the fires out. Lots of work needs to be done.
Do you really have a problem with immigration? You know, the Alf Garnett sort who likes pie and chips and doesn’t like foreign muck, laughs at hearing foreign languages, and thinks the newcomers have spoiled the local area?
Or is it just purely a problem of undercutting, unemployment, and scab labour that immigration causes in the free market?
If it’s the latter then your problem is not immigration, it is the market in wages, and your refusal to accept its verdict under conditions of free competition.
The simplest solution to undercutting is to have wages set by democratic verdict rather than market verdict. A minimum wage or a going rate enforced on employers. We used to have these in various forms. They were abolished precisely to allow wages to be forced down - and it seems a bit extreme to be building concrete walls and throwing people out the country, instead of just legislating the outcome you want, don’t you think?
After all, if immigrants are kept out, then the rules on free movement of capital will simply allow bosses to move factories, machines, and know-how abroad to where those cheap workers are located - and those workers who you’ve kicked out will have no hesitation in stealing as many of your jobs as they can this way and seeing you reduced to beggary!
Carryfast:
Dolph:
To “support” you last paragraph, at the place where I did assessment last week most British drivers were above 50, the assessor was above 60. All EE drivers, like me, my buddy from Poland, another buddy from Slovakia etc. are between 28 and 35. Most young Brits in the company work in the office and on a desk. And thats a good paying company, despite that they constantly cant find drivers…
Now where is the problem: in EE migrants, in native Brits, in EU, in UK, in razing kids with culture to go to college/university no matter what, I don’t know, but don’t blame us for doing what is best for us Legally!As you’ll have seen in numerous posts on here ‘young Brit’ drivers have always had the problem of the bs ‘experience’ hurdle to put up with.In addition to numerous other pecking order issues which mean that it’s too often a case of knowing the right people or getting a lucky break to get a start.You can now obviously add to that the issue of the East Euro workforce adding to the labour supply.Which is a vicious circle of at best the employers having to keep giving the available jobs to that immigrant workforce to maintain the attraction to keep that supply going.Or at worse an immigrant infiltrated recruitment sector that only employs ‘their own’ as part of the above.
On that note if you really think that there are no Brit drivers wanting the jobs.Then you’ll obviously have no problem with a condition that any job taken by an East Euro immigrant worker has to remain advertised and given to any indigenous worker who wants it.Regardless of their level of ‘experience’.
As for the American example.As you found yourself that’s bs being that the idea of open door US immigration ended in the early 20th century.After which time the idea is nothing more than a myth.
What a load of tosh! Bosses are simply undercutting rates, rates that settled workers won’t work for, by employing migrants who will. Migrants aren’t reserving cushy jobs for themselves. If a settled, experienced worker will do a good 15 hour day in a rat-arsed wagon for NMW (or less), without any complaint, they’ll get the job ahead of any migrant, I assure you.
