OVLOV JAY:
What people need to understand is all the laws we live by that Europe has imposed, are now written into British law, tachos, limiters, holidays etc. Nothing will change on exit. They can only be changed if they are taken out by the government, which would need to put it to a vote in parliament. And if anyone thinks the socialist left of the house will allow anything to be ripped up, then they’re very much mistaken. Contrary to what most are spouting, it will be as you were for 99% of our lives, the 1% being a change to restore democracy
There’s another argument that says there’s no point in restoring national sovereignty and democracy.If we can’t then use the result to do something as simple as applying the still existing domestic hours regs regime to ‘all’ domestic operations.Especially when that regime is superior ( can be made even more superior ) to the one that our no longer existent EU membership wrongly imposed on us.IE the object of restoring sovereignty is get the required votes ‘in parliament’ to govern the country.If that upsets the muppets who want to work 15 hour shifts tough.
OVLOV JAY:
What people need to understand is all the laws we live by that Europe has imposed, are now written into British law, tachos, limiters, holidays etc. Nothing will change on exit. They can only be changed if they are taken out by the government, which would need to put it to a vote in parliament. And if anyone thinks the socialist left of the house will allow anything to be ripped up, then they’re very much mistaken. Contrary to what most are spouting, it will be as you were for 99% of our lives, the 1% being a change to restore democracy
Spot on I don’t think things will dramaticly change and a lot of stuff will copy what the EU does.
I think we will stick to things like euro 6 and beyond emissions standards along with construction and use regulations for vehicles as we buy trucks from European truck builders and the cars we build here would neeed to be EU compliant to be sold there
Or in other words the Europhiles are getting worried they’d lose all their bs Euro rules so then want them kept even if we leave.
On that note why would anything destined for the ‘domestic’ market have to comply with EU type approval if we’re no longer an EU member.IE if anyone wants to buy a US truck,or start making Brit trucks using US components again,such as the Fuller option in UK spec Daf’s for example,there should be nothing to stop them.
Little off topic.
Last week at the job centre I saw I guess a woman, covered from head to toe, only the eyes visible, thats f**king scary.
Is there any legislation or policy in UK to prohibit burkas or full face cover, like in other EU countries?
Dolph:
Little off topic.
Last week at the job centre I saw I guess a woman, covered from head to toe, only the eyes visible, thats f**king scary.
Is there any legislation or policy in UK to prohibit burkas or full face cover, like in other EU countries?
stevieboy308:
You’re really showing a lack of understanding if you think having a kip / watching TV etc doesn’t and shouldn’t count as break
You only want the domestic regs changing now you understand how they work, despite years of calling to run on them, when you didn’t like them all along!! Comedy
If you really think that VOSA would count time spent waiting for loading/tipping as break to circumvent the daily duty limits under domestic regs go ahead try them.I’d guess that the simple question of were you paid for all the ‘breaks’ in question would be sufficient evidence to sink your plan.Bearing in mind that I was certainly never paid for my breaks when working as a council driver.
As for changes to domestic regs to stop exactly your type of ideas.You’ll find loads of previous posts of mine where I’ve said that in an ideal world we’d have domestic regs without seperate driving time limits and a 12 hour minimum daily rest period.All of which would be far better than the dogs dinner of EU regs including dangerous 15 hour shifts.
Go on then, how should I record the time spent waiting, where I can have a kip / watch tv?
I get paid from when I start to when I finish, getting paid or not has no relevance.
It is no more circumventing the regs than than having a 45 min break on eu allows you to drive more than 4.5 hours a day. That is the regs, it’s not against the spirit of them, it just is the regs.
Of course they could be changed, but other than yourself and only since you’ve realised you’ve got it wrong, I’ve not heard of anyone calling for a change to them. I don’t believe you’ve that much clout, that they’re going to get on with it straight away, do you?
If you really think with all that’ll be going on with an out vote, that the which set of rules o hgv driver drive too, or in your case a switch of rules and a change of them because you didn’t realise how they worked is even going to register with anyone who couldake a change, then you’re more deluded than I thought
stevieboy308:
You’re really showing a lack of understanding if you think having a kip / watching TV etc doesn’t and shouldn’t count as break
You only want the domestic regs changing now you understand how they work, despite years of calling to run on them, when you didn’t like them all along!! Comedy
If you really think that VOSA would count time spent waiting for loading/tipping as break to circumvent the daily duty limits under domestic regs go ahead try them.I’d guess that the simple question of were you paid for all the ‘breaks’ in question would be sufficient evidence to sink your plan.Bearing in mind that I was certainly never paid for my breaks when working as a council driver.
As for changes to domestic regs to stop exactly your type of ideas.You’ll find loads of previous posts of mine where I’ve said that in an ideal world we’d have domestic regs without seperate driving time limits and a 12 hour minimum daily rest period.All of which would be far better than the dogs dinner of EU regs including dangerous 15 hour shifts.
Go on then, how should I record the time spent waiting, where I can have a kip / watch tv?
I get paid from when I start to when I finish, getting paid or not has no relevance.
It is no more circumventing the regs than than having a 45 min break on eu allows you to drive more than 4.5 hours a day. That is the regs, it’s not against the spirit of them, it just is the regs.
Of course they could be changed, but other than yourself and only since you’ve realised you’ve got it wrong, I’ve not heard of anyone calling for a change to them. I don’t believe you’ve that much clout, that they’re going to get on with it straight away, do you?
If you really think with all that’ll be going on with an out vote, that the which set of rules o hgv driver drive too, or in your case a switch of rules and a change of them because you didn’t realise how they worked is even going to register with anyone who couldake a change, then you’re more deluded than I thought
It’s you who’s showing an unrealistic lack of understanding if you really think that VOSA would allow anyone to do a 24 hour shift under domestic regs by booking 13 hours of break.
Yes I do know how they work.Which is 1 why I’ve stated the above and 2 why I’ve put numerous previous posts saying that ideally domestic regs ‘would be changed’ to 12 hours minimum daily rest instead of 11 hours duty.Precisely to stop the zb wit ideas of those who think that they can circumvent the daily duty limit by booking duty as break. All of which is better than legal 15 hour shifts and over complicated pointless seperate wtd and driving time regs.
stevieboy308:
You’re really showing a lack of understanding if you think having a kip / watching TV etc doesn’t and shouldn’t count as break
You only want the domestic regs changing now you understand how they work, despite years of calling to run on them, when you didn’t like them all along!! Comedy
If you really think that VOSA would count time spent waiting for loading/tipping as break to circumvent the daily duty limits under domestic regs go ahead try them.I’d guess that the simple question of were you paid for all the ‘breaks’ in question would be sufficient evidence to sink your plan.Bearing in mind that I was certainly never paid for my breaks when working as a council driver.
As for changes to domestic regs to stop exactly your type of ideas.You’ll find loads of previous posts of mine where I’ve said that in an ideal world we’d have domestic regs without seperate driving time limits and a 12 hour minimum daily rest period.All of which would be far better than the dogs dinner of EU regs including dangerous 15 hour shifts.
Go on then, how should I record the time spent waiting, where I can have a kip / watch tv?
I get paid from when I start to when I finish, getting paid or not has no relevance.
It is no more circumventing the regs than than having a 45 min break on eu allows you to drive more than 4.5 hours a day. That is the regs, it’s not against the spirit of them, it just is the regs.
Of course they could be changed, but other than yourself and only since you’ve realised you’ve got it wrong, I’ve not heard of anyone calling for a change to them. I don’t believe you’ve that much clout, that they’re going to get on with it straight away, do you?
If you really think with all that’ll be going on with an out vote, that the which set of rules o hgv driver drive too, or in your case a switch of rules and a change of them because you didn’t realise how they worked is even going to register with anyone who couldake a change, then you’re more deluded than I thought
It’s you who’s showing an unrealistic lack of understanding if you really think that VOSA would allow anyone to do a 24 hour shift under domestic regs by booking 13 hours of break.
Yes I do know how they work.Which is 1 why I’ve stated the above and 2 why I’ve put numerous previous posts saying that ideally domestic regs ‘would be changed’ to 12 hours minimum daily rest instead of 11 hours duty.Precisely to stop the zb wit ideas of those who think that they can circumvent the daily duty limit by booking duty as break. All of which is better than legal 15 hour shifts and over complicated pointless seperate wtd and driving time regs.
All I’m doing is repeating what the regs say, which I’ll run by you again - max 11 hour of duty in a 24 hour period, break and rest don’t count towards duty and you’re entitled to adequate rest
You could do a 21 hour double manned shift under eu with only a 45 min break and 20.25 of actual work, so it makes your example look pretty softcore!
Once again, stop with the circumventing talk, it’s nonsense
Oh yeah, I don’t the the wtd is over complicated, but some people over complicate it
stevieboy308:
All I’m doing is repeating what the regs say, which I’ll run by you again - max 11 hour of duty in a 24 hour period, break and rest don’t count towards duty and you’re entitled to adequate rest
You could do a 21 hour double manned shift under eu with only a 45 min break and 20.25 of actual work, so it makes your example look pretty softcore!
Once again, stop with the circumventing talk, it’s nonsense
Yes as I said EU regs are a joke of which that’s just another example.
While if my circumventing talk is ‘nonsense’ are you saying that you could do a 24 hour hour shift using a combination of duty and break or not by your interpretation of domestic regs ?.
As opposed to 11 hours duty and adequate rest means what it says.IE 12 hours daily rest assuming 1 hour break.Which is much better than an unarguable 15 hour shift and 9 hours daily rest under EU regs.
stevieboy308:
All I’m doing is repeating what the regs say, which I’ll run by you again - max 11 hour of duty in a 24 hour period, break and rest don’t count towards duty and you’re entitled to adequate rest
You could do a 21 hour double manned shift under eu with only a 45 min break and 20.25 of actual work, so it makes your example look pretty softcore!
Once again, stop with the circumventing talk, it’s nonsense
Yes as I said EU regs are a joke of which that’s just another example.
While if my circumventing talk is ‘nonsense’ are you saying that you could do a 24 hour hour shift using a combination of duty and break or not by your interpretation of domestic regs ?.
As opposed to 11 hours duty and adequate rest means what it says.IE 12 hours daily rest assuming 1 hour break.Which is much better than an unarguable 15 hour shift and 9 hours daily rest under EU regs.
Where in the domestic regulations does it say adequate rest is 12 hours?
muckles:
Where in the domestic regulations does it say adequate rest is 12 hours?
Simply in the maths of 24 hours - 11 hours duty assuming 1 hour break.Or the fact that the regs don’t mean 24 hour shift made up of 11 hours duty + 13 hours ‘break’.
stevieboy308:
All I’m doing is repeating what the regs say, which I’ll run by you again - max 11 hour of duty in a 24 hour period, break and rest don’t count towards duty and you’re entitled to adequate rest
You could do a 21 hour double manned shift under eu with only a 45 min break and 20.25 of actual work, so it makes your example look pretty softcore!
Once again, stop with the circumventing talk, it’s nonsense
Yes as I said EU regs are a joke of which that’s just another example.
While if my circumventing talk is ‘nonsense’ are you saying that you could do a 24 hour hour shift using a combination of duty and break or not by your interpretation of domestic regs ?.
As opposed to 11 hours duty and adequate rest means what it says.IE 12 hours daily rest assuming 1 hour break.Which is much better than an unarguable 15 hour shift and 9 hours daily rest under EU regs.
I don’t see anything in the domestic hours that says you couldn’t if you deemed you’ve had adequate rest.
If they meant 11 hours duty, 1 hour of break and 12 hours of rest, don’t you think they’d of said that
muckles:
Where in the domestic regulations does it say adequate rest is 12 hours?
Simply in the maths of 24 hours - 11 hours duty assuming 1 hour break.Or the fact that the regs don’t mean 24 hour shift made up of 11 hours duty + 13 hours ‘break’.
I wouldn’t trust a single thing that clown says about Europe
Well its your choice, but I find British politics very strange, PM’s like Cameron are hated and distrust and in the same time reelected. How the hell this happen.
This reminds me of the Churchill words:
“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter”.
muckles:
Where does it say 1 hour break in the regs?
As I said feel free to book 11 hours duty and 13 hours of ‘break’ under domestic regs then tell DVSA that the 13 hours were all spent sleeping on a loading bay one hour at a time.IE domestic regs are based on common sense unlike EU ones.
