I’m definitely voting out …They are planning a euro army !!! Which would in their plansmean an end to the British Army !!! Along with their other plans they have if we vote to stay …Mark my words we will be well and truly shafted
Words taken right out of my mouth Juddian. I knew there were some spineless ■■■■■ in this industry, but they’ve shown themselves to be idiots too. Realistically we would carry on using eu rules, mainly because there’s no government body overseeing us that would change it anyway. But if you are worried, use the tongue you got at birth and just say no. The eu is determined to turn us into a 2nd world country, where the rich are alright and the rest of us can get ■■■■■■. We are on our way to becoming a state of Europe and no longer a country in our own right
Scaremongering at it best, Bulgarian and Romanian drivers don’t work for 150 a week as lorry drivers, thats only in Brexiters head.
From last year Bulgarian newspaper 24 hrs via google translate:
€ 1,400 salary given for driver and still hard to find
Companies hired an people without a day of service
Income between 1400 and 1700 euros is not enough. Or no one to take it.
Large Bulgarian carriers have equal pay with European transport companies. And recently one of them dropped the ad that seeks drivers. Next to it there is another - a large logistics company from the UK looking for guides class C + E with a salary between 3500 and 4000 euros and start work immediately. In another ad for Germany consideration is 2000-2100 euros Denmark - to 3,500 lev per month.
It is full of ads that seek Bulgarian truck drivers for the Netherlands, Spain, Germany. A UK - and taxi drivers. In Bulgaria the demand is serious. One of the proposals in ads for a personal driver smart employer that values its employees.
They can list dozens of notices, but the candidates are few.
Yesterday appointed a young man with zero experience exemplifies Vanya Alexiev, owner of one of the biggest Bulgarian transport companies. “I’ll send in a team with an experienced driver and to learn,” he says.
By associations of carriers say they do not reach to 2000 drivers
Calculated that outside the state employs over 6000. About 3,000 of them have registered their companies and transport goods between EU countries.
There’s a lot in Spain and in Sweden 1000-1200 drivers with their own businesses, says Krasimir Lalov of one of the associations of transporters. There are Bulgarians with transport companies in Belgium, Holland, Germany. “Nobody can forbid you - do your business and going to work,” he says.
Other 3000 drivers work or for our carriers with companies in European cities or German, British, Dutch, Spanish transport or shipping companies.
The liberalization of transport in Europe is the reason for the shortage of drivers in the country. And the reason their incomes in Bulgaria to chase Europe. € 1,400 is the income of a driver who rides goods between Bulgaria and EU countries, and € 1,700 for a driver who makes the exchange between Spain and the United Kingdom, Germany and Italy, explains the large Bulgarian carrier.
Several major companies have our offices in London, Paris, Barcelona, to be able to drive trucks.
Asked why the pay gap, the industry responded that one is absent from Bulgaria for 12 days, and another three months to drive a truck between European cities.
Smaller companies based in Bulgaria they attach to large freight and ride their shipments throughout Europe.
Drivers or sleep in their trucks to save on allowances or company has hired accommodation to stay there.
Bulgarian drivers have the image in Europe since the time of Somalia. Outside are disciplined, accurate and popular, says the head of the automotive administration Tsvetelin Tsvetanov.
According to the carriers, however, major shipping companies seeking Bulgarian transport companies because their out cheaper.
If a German company to pay 1.80 to 1.50 euros per km of Bulgarian number 0.95 euros.
Several carriers say that there is another trend. Companies from Europe registered trucks in the country. Dutch company as found company in Sevlievo, Greeks do mass registered companies and extraction licenses for international transport in Bulgaria.
This trend was 2 years ago, however, says the head of the automotive administration. The law was more liberal, whereas now the requirements are tightened - each license must have a garage for each truck, service, service.
Check it each year for financial stability and many other requirements. Tsvetanov confirmed that there was a boom in extraction licenses by Greeks with headquarters in Blagoevgrad, but the wave has passed. Some revoked license, he said.
For eight months employed the 23 drivers from Macedonia and Serbia
70,000 trucks are registered for international transport in the country, reported “24 hours” Tsvetelin Tsvetanov, head of automotive administration.
However, he clarified that not all out transport of some bank may have taken the truck others to ride in Bulgaria, although they have a license of the community hold him to use it when necessary.
Usually every second truck than 70 000 has a pair of drivers that change. So in our drivers for international cargo should be at 100,000.
Carriers say that the way they start to import drivers.
The head of automotive administration consulted how foreign drivers from outside the EU have been certified for use.
2014 automotive Administration has issued eight certificates of foreign leaders. 5 Driving from Macedonia, two from Turkey and one from Russia.
For the first eight months of 2015 were issued 23 certificates nearly 4 times more. 22 are for drivers from Macedonia and 12 drivers from Serbia.
It can not be said that our companies have hired drivers from EU countries, since they are not required certificate.
To 4,000 lev investment drove to TIR
According carriers average age of drivers in our country is 50 years. Looking for experienced and responsible people. In the listing of our carrier it says that hiring can be done only if the driver provide a link to the new previous employer.
Give his 40-ton truck that can not drive in Europe as he wants, besides his entrusted goods, say business owners.
To get young man behind the wheel of a heavy truck is required before it made a serious investment.
First you need to take into category B, the rate is between 600 and 800 lev The next step is category C, the cost of the course is still so. It most searched category C + E, the price is still between 600 and 800 Levs
Training for qualification card driver is between 400 and 800 lev, the card costs 80 lev
Digital Card (tachograph) is acquired for 130 lev training for the carriage of dangerous goods to 300 lev and map ADR costs 60 lev appearance of a psychological depending on the regions in the country is between 30 and 50 lev So the initial investment We need to make a young person is to 4000 Levs. This is a problem. Some companies pay tuition, but then their drivers going abroad.
OVLOV JAY:
Words taken right out of my mouth Juddian. I knew there were some spineless [zb] in this industry, but they’ve shown themselves to be idiots too. Realistically we would carry on using eu rules, mainly because there’s no government body overseeing us that would change it anyway. But if you are worried, use the tongue you got at birth and just say no. The eu is determined to turn us into a 2nd world country, where the rich are alright and the rest of us can get [zb]. We are on our way to becoming a state of Europe and no longer a country in our own right
We may not agree on everything OVLOV JAY but your are correct we would still use certain eu rules
Carryfast:
stevieboy308:
Carryfast:
Which part of only the stupidest of the stupid would even try to make domestic rules mean a 15 hour shift and 9 hours daily rest by putting in loads of non existent breaks,don’t you understand.As for the idea of an hour of work and an hour of break on a continuous rolling basis that’s about as believable as all the rest of the bs in campaign propaganda.Although having said that I’m sure domestic regs could be changed to 12 hours minimum daily rest to fix any non existent problems, related to non existent breaks,being used to create non existent 15 hour hour spread overs and non existent 9 hour daily rest periods.Unlike EU regs in which that situation is all too real.
You do realise you’re making yourself look more stupid than normal?
Believe it or not, the job I do on domestic can roughly go hour of work, hour on break and carry on like that
In which case my reference to the responsibility being on you to prove to VOSA’s satisfaction that you aren’t booking break when you should be booking duty applies.One hour work one hour break on a rolling basis probably rightly not fitting the definition of ‘break’ in that case in their eyes.
However as I said how difficult can it be to change domestic regs to 12 hours minimum daily rest to cater for those with your ideas.Let’s just say a lot easier than getting a majority of the EU states to agree to a change to same regards the bs EU regs.
Engine off, with a bulker on, sheet staying rolled up, it’s someone else’s sole job to load it, I can have a kip, watch tv, play on facey, it definitely fits the description of a break.
The responsibility is on them to prove I wasn’t on break
Dolph:
Scaremongering at it best, Bulgarian and Romanian drivers don’t work for 150 a week as lorry drivers, thats only in Brexiters head.From last year Bulgarian newspaper 24 hrs via google translate:
€ 1,400 salary given for driver and still hard to find
Companies hired an people without a day of service
Income between 1400 and 1700 euros is not enough. Or no one to take it.Large Bulgarian carriers have equal pay with European transport companies. And recently one of them dropped the ad that seeks drivers. Next to it there is another - a large logistics company from the UK looking for guides class C + E with a salary between 3500 and 4000 euros and start work immediately. In another ad for Germany consideration is 2000-2100 euros Denmark - to 3,500 lev per month.
It is full of ads that seek Bulgarian truck drivers for the Netherlands, Spain, Germany. A UK - and taxi drivers. In Bulgaria the demand is serious. One of the proposals in ads for a personal driver smart employer that values its employees.
They can list dozens of notices, but the candidates are few.
Yesterday appointed a young man with zero experience exemplifies Vanya Alexiev, owner of one of the biggest Bulgarian transport companies. “I’ll send in a team with an experienced driver and to learn,” he says.By associations of carriers say they do not reach to 2000 drivers
Calculated that outside the state employs over 6000. About 3,000 of them have registered their companies and transport goods between EU countries.
There’s a lot in Spain and in Sweden 1000-1200 drivers with their own businesses, says Krasimir Lalov of one of the associations of transporters. There are Bulgarians with transport companies in Belgium, Holland, Germany. “Nobody can forbid you - do your business and going to work,” he says.
Other 3000 drivers work or for our carriers with companies in European cities or German, British, Dutch, Spanish transport or shipping companies.The liberalization of transport in Europe is the reason for the shortage of drivers in the country. And the reason their incomes in Bulgaria to chase Europe. € 1,400 is the income of a driver who rides goods between Bulgaria and EU countries, and € 1,700 for a driver who makes the exchange between Spain and the United Kingdom, Germany and Italy, explains the large Bulgarian carrier.
Several major companies have our offices in London, Paris, Barcelona, to be able to drive trucks.
Asked why the pay gap, the industry responded that one is absent from Bulgaria for 12 days, and another three months to drive a truck between European cities.
Smaller companies based in Bulgaria they attach to large freight and ride their shipments throughout Europe.
Drivers or sleep in their trucks to save on allowances or company has hired accommodation to stay there.
Bulgarian drivers have the image in Europe since the time of Somalia. Outside are disciplined, accurate and popular, says the head of the automotive administration Tsvetelin Tsvetanov.
According to the carriers, however, major shipping companies seeking Bulgarian transport companies because their out cheaper.
If a German company to pay 1.80 to 1.50 euros per km of Bulgarian number 0.95 euros.Several carriers say that there is another trend. Companies from Europe registered trucks in the country. Dutch company as found company in Sevlievo, Greeks do mass registered companies and extraction licenses for international transport in Bulgaria.
This trend was 2 years ago, however, says the head of the automotive administration. The law was more liberal, whereas now the requirements are tightened - each license must have a garage for each truck, service, service.
Check it each year for financial stability and many other requirements. Tsvetanov confirmed that there was a boom in extraction licenses by Greeks with headquarters in Blagoevgrad, but the wave has passed. Some revoked license, he said.
For eight months employed the 23 drivers from Macedonia and Serbia
70,000 trucks are registered for international transport in the country, reported “24 hours” Tsvetelin Tsvetanov, head of automotive administration.
However, he clarified that not all out transport of some bank may have taken the truck others to ride in Bulgaria, although they have a license of the community hold him to use it when necessary.
Usually every second truck than 70 000 has a pair of drivers that change. So in our drivers for international cargo should be at 100,000.
Carriers say that the way they start to import drivers.
The head of automotive administration consulted how foreign drivers from outside the EU have been certified for use.
2014 automotive Administration has issued eight certificates of foreign leaders. 5 Driving from Macedonia, two from Turkey and one from Russia.
For the first eight months of 2015 were issued 23 certificates nearly 4 times more. 22 are for drivers from Macedonia and 12 drivers from Serbia.It can not be said that our companies have hired drivers from EU countries, since they are not required certificate.
To 4,000 lev investment drove to TIR
According carriers average age of drivers in our country is 50 years. Looking for experienced and responsible people. In the listing of our carrier it says that hiring can be done only if the driver provide a link to the new previous employer.
Give his 40-ton truck that can not drive in Europe as he wants, besides his entrusted goods, say business owners.
To get young man behind the wheel of a heavy truck is required before it made a serious investment.
First you need to take into category B, the rate is between 600 and 800 lev The next step is category C, the cost of the course is still so. It most searched category C + E, the price is still between 600 and 800 Levs
Training for qualification card driver is between 400 and 800 lev, the card costs 80 levDigital Card (tachograph) is acquired for 130 lev training for the carriage of dangerous goods to 300 lev and map ADR costs 60 lev appearance of a psychological depending on the regions in the country is between 30 and 50 lev So the initial investment We need to make a young person is to 4000 Levs. This is a problem. Some companies pay tuition, but then their drivers going abroad.
Firstly how is any of that good for Brit drivers. 
Secondly are you seriously suggesting that ‘the average’ truck driver’s wage in Bulgaria is around 8 x the Bulgarian minimum wage.Which would equate to around £55 per hour if the equivalent valuation was applied to drivers here. 
The reality of what you’re describing is probably a best case scenario in which 1,500 Euro per month is nothing special even then based on a 50 hour week.While you can bet that even that figure would be massively reduced when cabotage restrictions are totally removed thereby reducing upward West Euro wage pressures on East Euro wages.Let alone an environment of open cabotage combined with Cameron and Merkel getting their wish for Turkish membership.
stevieboy308:
Engine off, with a bulker on, sheet staying rolled up, it’s someone else’s sole job to load it, I can have a kip, watch tv, play on facey, it definitely fits the description of a break.The responsibility is on them to prove I wasn’t on break
As I’ve said feel free to argue that with VOSA and the law.
While as I’ve also said no one is saying that the domestic regs couldn’t be easily improved by a clearly defined 12 hour minimum daily rest requirement and removal of seperate driving time limits.The result being a lot better than what we’ve got with bs EU regs and obviously a lot easier to implement with a national government holding sovereignty on the matter than a majority vote among the EU member states.
While it wouldn’t be in the realms of impossibility to create a bi lateral agreement with Europe that our trucks run under UK domestic regs in Europe and their’s can run under EU regs here.If not US and Canada seem to manage fine with different hours regs applying respectively to both regards international transport within NAFTA. 
All of which sounds a lot better than 15 hour shifts,stupid over complicated driving time regs,open cabotage and Turkish EU membership.
Carryfast:
Dolph:
Scaremongering at it best, Bulgarian and Romanian drivers don’t work for 150 a week as lorry drivers, thats only in Brexiters head.From last year Bulgarian newspaper 24 hrs via google translate:
€ 1,400 salary given for driver and still hard to find
Companies hired an people without a day of service
Income between 1400 and 1700 euros is not enough. Or no one to take it.Large Bulgarian carriers have equal pay with European transport companies. And recently one of them dropped the ad that seeks drivers. Next to it there is another - a large logistics company from the UK looking for guides class C + E with a salary between 3500 and 4000 euros and start work immediately. In another ad for Germany consideration is 2000-2100 euros Denmark - to 3,500 lev per month.
It is full of ads that seek Bulgarian truck drivers for the Netherlands, Spain, Germany. A UK - and taxi drivers. In Bulgaria the demand is serious. One of the proposals in ads for a personal driver smart employer that values its employees.
They can list dozens of notices, but the candidates are few.
Yesterday appointed a young man with zero experience exemplifies Vanya Alexiev, owner of one of the biggest Bulgarian transport companies. “I’ll send in a team with an experienced driver and to learn,” he says.By associations of carriers say they do not reach to 2000 drivers
Calculated that outside the state employs over 6000. About 3,000 of them have registered their companies and transport goods between EU countries.
There’s a lot in Spain and in Sweden 1000-1200 drivers with their own businesses, says Krasimir Lalov of one of the associations of transporters. There are Bulgarians with transport companies in Belgium, Holland, Germany. “Nobody can forbid you - do your business and going to work,” he says.
Other 3000 drivers work or for our carriers with companies in European cities or German, British, Dutch, Spanish transport or shipping companies.The liberalization of transport in Europe is the reason for the shortage of drivers in the country. And the reason their incomes in Bulgaria to chase Europe. € 1,400 is the income of a driver who rides goods between Bulgaria and EU countries, and € 1,700 for a driver who makes the exchange between Spain and the United Kingdom, Germany and Italy, explains the large Bulgarian carrier.
Several major companies have our offices in London, Paris, Barcelona, to be able to drive trucks.
Asked why the pay gap, the industry responded that one is absent from Bulgaria for 12 days, and another three months to drive a truck between European cities.
Smaller companies based in Bulgaria they attach to large freight and ride their shipments throughout Europe.
Drivers or sleep in their trucks to save on allowances or company has hired accommodation to stay there.
Bulgarian drivers have the image in Europe since the time of Somalia. Outside are disciplined, accurate and popular, says the head of the automotive administration Tsvetelin Tsvetanov.
According to the carriers, however, major shipping companies seeking Bulgarian transport companies because their out cheaper.
If a German company to pay 1.80 to 1.50 euros per km of Bulgarian number 0.95 euros.Several carriers say that there is another trend. Companies from Europe registered trucks in the country. Dutch company as found company in Sevlievo, Greeks do mass registered companies and extraction licenses for international transport in Bulgaria.
This trend was 2 years ago, however, says the head of the automotive administration. The law was more liberal, whereas now the requirements are tightened - each license must have a garage for each truck, service, service.
Check it each year for financial stability and many other requirements. Tsvetanov confirmed that there was a boom in extraction licenses by Greeks with headquarters in Blagoevgrad, but the wave has passed. Some revoked license, he said.
For eight months employed the 23 drivers from Macedonia and Serbia
70,000 trucks are registered for international transport in the country, reported “24 hours” Tsvetelin Tsvetanov, head of automotive administration.
However, he clarified that not all out transport of some bank may have taken the truck others to ride in Bulgaria, although they have a license of the community hold him to use it when necessary.
Usually every second truck than 70 000 has a pair of drivers that change. So in our drivers for international cargo should be at 100,000.
Carriers say that the way they start to import drivers.
The head of automotive administration consulted how foreign drivers from outside the EU have been certified for use.
2014 automotive Administration has issued eight certificates of foreign leaders. 5 Driving from Macedonia, two from Turkey and one from Russia.
For the first eight months of 2015 were issued 23 certificates nearly 4 times more. 22 are for drivers from Macedonia and 12 drivers from Serbia.It can not be said that our companies have hired drivers from EU countries, since they are not required certificate.
To 4,000 lev investment drove to TIR
According carriers average age of drivers in our country is 50 years. Looking for experienced and responsible people. In the listing of our carrier it says that hiring can be done only if the driver provide a link to the new previous employer.
Give his 40-ton truck that can not drive in Europe as he wants, besides his entrusted goods, say business owners.
To get young man behind the wheel of a heavy truck is required before it made a serious investment.
First you need to take into category B, the rate is between 600 and 800 lev The next step is category C, the cost of the course is still so. It most searched category C + E, the price is still between 600 and 800 Levs
Training for qualification card driver is between 400 and 800 lev, the card costs 80 levDigital Card (tachograph) is acquired for 130 lev training for the carriage of dangerous goods to 300 lev and map ADR costs 60 lev appearance of a psychological depending on the regions in the country is between 30 and 50 lev So the initial investment We need to make a young person is to 4000 Levs. This is a problem. Some companies pay tuition, but then their drivers going abroad.
Firstly how is any of that good for Brit drivers.
Secondly are you seriously suggesting that ‘the average’ truck driver’s wage in Bulgaria is around 8 x the Bulgarian minimum wage.Which would equate to around £55 per hour if the equivalent valuation was applied to drivers here.
The reality of what you’re describing is probably a best case scenario in which 1,500 Euro per month is nothing special even then based on a 50 hour week.While you can bet that even that figure would be massively reduced when cabotage restrictions are totally removed thereby reducing upward West Euro wage pressures on East Euro wages.Let alone an environment of open cabotage combined with Cameron and Merkel getting their wish for Turkish membership.
Im not suggesting anything, I know. Well I cant be expert on everything like you though.
The amount is different because(in bold) this Bulgarian drivers drive internationally, no one in there right mind will drive across Europe for 150 quid a day as was mentioned before or on BG minimum wage.
You keep talking BS in every thread
Turkey will join EU when the hell freezes over pal and by the way the biggest support for their membership is UK Government led by Cameron.
Dolph:
Im not suggesting anything, I know. Well I cant be expert on everything like you though.
The amount is different because(in bold) this Bulgarian drivers drive internationally, no one in there right mind will drive across Europe for 150 quid a day as was mentioned before or on BG minimum wage.
You keep talking BS in every thread
Turkey will join EU when the hell freezes over pal and by the way the biggest support for their membership is UK Government led by Cameron.
As I said how is anything which you referred to good for Brit drivers ?.
Yes I said you were probably referring to a best case scenario in which around 1,500 Euro per month wouldn’t be considered as anything special here.
Yes Cameron is all for fast track Turkish membership.Just like Merkel.That’s why we’re in the middle of the mother and father of all arguments here between the pro Cameron pro EU side and the anti Cameron anti EU side if you hadn’t noticed.But as we’ve discussed previously it’s nothing unusual for Bulgaria to find itself on the side of the Germans in support of the Turks and in this case also obviously Cameron.While at the same time saying exactly the opposite. 
If anyone seriously believes the year 3000 crap, get ready for a reality check. Once the Turks offer to take thousands of African migrants, Frau Merkel will drop all the compliance hoops and in they come. Then even more will be entitled to Eu passports and unrestricted movement. A very dangerous possibility indeed.
As for cabotage, you do all realise that’s the only reason you get cheap flights for your holidays, and what’s happened in the aviation industry WILL happen in European haulage too. So choose to protect your fortnight in the costas, or choose to support the industry that provides your wages 52 weeks a year.
The only people that benefit from the Eu are migrants, their rich bosses, their rich financiers in the square mile, their glove puppets in government, and finally their prospective employers in Brussels. The Eu will always be a bad thing for the British worker.
OVLOV JAY:
The only people that benefit from the Eu are migrants, their rich bosses, their rich financiers in the square mile, their glove puppets in government, and finally their prospective employers in Brussels. The Eu will always be a bad thing for the British worker.
^ This.
In addition to whatever German workers remain standing when Merkel has finished the project.
Carryfast:
stevieboy308:
Engine off, with a bulker on, sheet staying rolled up, it’s someone else’s sole job to load it, I can have a kip, watch tv, play on facey, it definitely fits the description of a break.The responsibility is on them to prove I wasn’t on break
As I’ve said feel free to argue that with VOSA and the law.
While as I’ve also said no one is saying that the domestic regs couldn’t be easily improved by a clearly defined 12 hour minimum daily rest requirement and removal of seperate driving time limits.The result being a lot better than what we’ve got with bs EU regs and obviously a lot easier to implement with a national government holding sovereignty on the matter than a majority vote among the EU member states.
While it wouldn’t be in the realms of impossibility to create a bi lateral agreement with Europe that our trucks run under UK domestic regs in Europe and their’s can run under EU regs here.If not US and Canada seem to manage fine with different hours regs applying respectively to both regards international transport within NAFTA.
All of which sounds a lot better than 15 hour shifts,stupid over complicated driving time regs,open cabotage and Turkish EU membership.
You’re really showing a lack of understanding if you think having a kip / watching TV etc doesn’t and shouldn’t count as break
You only want the domestic regs changing now you understand how they work, despite years of calling to run on them, when you didn’t like them all along!! Comedy
OVLOV JAY:
If anyone seriously believes the year 3000 crap, get ready for a reality check. Once the Turks offer to take thousands of African migrants, Frau Merkel will drop all the compliance hoops and in they come. Then even more will be entitled to Eu passports and unrestricted movement. A very dangerous possibility indeed.As for cabotage, you do all realise that’s the only reason you get cheap flights for your holidays, and what’s happened in the aviation industry WILL happen in European haulage too. So choose to protect your fortnight in the costas, or choose to support the industry that provides your wages 52 weeks a year.
The only people that benefit from the Eu are migrants, their rich bosses, their rich financiers in the square mile, their glove puppets in government, and finally their prospective employers in Brussels. The Eu will always be a bad thing for the British worker.
Can’t argue with a single word of that.
stevieboy308:
You’re really showing a lack of understanding if you think having a kip / watching TV etc doesn’t and shouldn’t count as breakYou only want the domestic regs changing now you understand how they work, despite years of calling to run on them, when you didn’t like them all along!! Comedy
If you really think that VOSA would count time spent waiting for loading/tipping as break to circumvent the daily duty limits under domestic regs go ahead try them.I’d guess that the simple question of were you paid for all the ‘breaks’ in question would be sufficient evidence to sink your plan.Bearing in mind that I was certainly never paid for my breaks when working as a council driver.
As for changes to domestic regs to stop exactly your type of ideas.You’ll find loads of previous posts of mine where I’ve said that in an ideal world we’d have domestic regs without seperate driving time limits and a 12 hour minimum daily rest period.All of which would be far better than the dogs dinner of EU regs including dangerous 15 hour shifts.
Tachographs and driving hours probably won’t change but as some of the more sensible posters are saying there is much bigger issues that are the real reason we need to change things.
kr79:
Tachographs and driving hours probably won’t change.
My thoughts exactly, I can’t see the DVSA & TC getting rid of tachographs, it keeps drivers and companies accountable in an easy to check and difficult to falsify means.
Add to that re-writing the rules will only lead to further complicate and muddy the waters whether those rules are simplified or not, we will still need to abide by the EU regs if we go across the water so I’m reasonably confident they won’t change anything, not to mention the probable cost of such an exercise.
What people need to understand is all the laws we live by that Europe has imposed, are now written into British law, tachos, limiters, holidays etc. Nothing will change on exit. They can only be changed if they are taken out by the government, which would need to put it to a vote in parliament. And if anyone thinks the socialist left of the house will allow anything to be ripped up, then they’re very much mistaken. Contrary to what most are spouting, it will be as you were for 99% of our lives, the 1% being a change to restore democracy
OVLOV JAY:
What people need to understand is all the laws we live by that Europe has imposed, are now written into British law, tachos, limiters, holidays etc. Nothing will change on exit. They can only be changed if they are taken out by the government, which would need to put it to a vote in parliament. And if anyone thinks the socialist left of the house will allow anything to be ripped up, then they’re very much mistaken. Contrary to what most are spouting, it will be as you were for 99% of our lives, the 1% being a change to restore democracy
Spot on I don’t think things will dramaticly change and a lot of stuff will copy what the EU does.
I think we will stick to things like euro 6 and beyond emissions standards along with construction and use regulations for vehicles as we buy trucks from European truck builders and the cars we build here would neeed to be EU compliant to be sold there
OVLOV JAY:
Contrary to what most are spouting, it will be as you were for 99% of our lives
+1
Some people seem to be of the opinion that a leave vote will bring big changes. The WTD will stay and the reason given will be it is standard in europe so easier to keep everything the same. With immigration some think a leave vote will signal an end to mass migration and the building of a huge fence round the UK with armed guards standing guarding the borders. The reality is nothing will change all that much. The only thing that will change is who is making the decisions to shaft the tax paying public
Dolph:
Would have been so easy if whole of Europe had one single set of rules like in US. When I drove there the rules were like that: ín 24hrs period you are allowed - 14hrs work day, 10hrs. rest, no if’s or but’s. From the 14hrs - 4 were other work, 10 were driving. After 6 days of driving you must take minimum of 36 consecutive hours of rest.
Thats it, this rules were valid from Washington state to Florida and from California to Maine.
You did your brakes whenever you deemed necessary to.Why cant we have one set of rules for the whole of Europe?
Errr dolph the tacho regs are eu wide so what applies under tacho and wtd in the uk applies to eu reg trucks and journeys with in the eu zone ie uk and the rest of eu