Carryfast:
As for ‘thinking about’ domestic regs we’ve actually still got them in use regards exempt types.It’s just then a case of removing the EU directives which enforce their use within our own borders generally.
You do know that you can do 15 hour shifts or even longer on domestic, don’t you?
You do know there’s no minimum rest on domestic, just adequate rest, don’t you?
You do know that there are no breaks required on domestic, don’t you?
You do know you can work 7 days a week, week in week out on domestic, don’t you?
What a surprise an obvious in campaign supporter conveniently selectively overlooks the issue of the 11 hour daily duty limit.
Or the definition of ‘adequate’ rest.In which case there’s more chance of telling the guvnor to do one regards being expected to take a 9 hour daily rest period,among other silly hours instructions,than under the zb EU regs.
muckles:
so if you have an international O’licence you run under EU regs and a national O’licence you run under domestic regs, what about a restricted licence?
It’s clear that if you’re running outside the national borders then it’s no longer a domestic subject to domestic laws operation whether restricted or international.
I know a lot of companies with International O’licences who hardly, if ever, run abroad, so what will they do, and what about my week, returned from Germany on Monday, due to delays I only got as far as Ashford, do next day I drive back to the Workshop, then on Wednesday I went back to Kent to collect a truck that had been repaired. So at what points do I run Domestic and what point AETR?
If they’ve got an International O licence then they obviously intend to run outside the country.As for your week which part of an international not domestic operation didn’t you understand.
As for restricted or even international I notice you never ( couldn’t ) provided an answer as to how a US registered truck,with no tacho,can happily be used for own account work in Europe at least in the case of motor race team work,or for that matter commercially as part of an international journey.Which sort of makes your whole bs case moot.IE we only need tachos in that case because we’ve got a zb grovelling,gutless,pro to the point of religious following,federalist government.Just like it’s equally Europhile in campaign supporters.
Dolph:
Would have been so easy if whole of Europe had one single set of rules like in US. When I drove there the rules were like that: ín 24hrs period you are allowed - 14hrs work day, 10hrs. rest, no if’s or but’s. From the 14hrs - 4 were other work, 10 were driving. After 6 days of driving you must take minimum of 36 consecutive hours of rest.
Thats it, this rules were valid from Washington state to Florida and from California to Maine.
You did your brakes whenever you deemed necessary to.
Why cant we have one set of rules for the whole of Europe?
It would actually be ‘easier’ if we went back to domestic regs and reached an ‘agreement’ with other countries that UK registered trucks run under UK regs as per their place of registration on international journeys.Just like any other non AETR aligned state like the US can in Europe.
Dolph:
Would have been so easy if whole of Europe had one single set of rules like in US. When I drove there the rules were like that: ín 24hrs period you are allowed - 14hrs work day, 10hrs. rest, no if’s or but’s. From the 14hrs - 4 were other work, 10 were driving. After 6 days of driving you must take minimum of 36 consecutive hours of rest.
Thats it, this rules were valid from Washington state to Florida and from California to Maine.
You did your brakes whenever you deemed necessary to.
Why cant we have one set of rules for the whole of Europe?
We’ve got ‘one set of rules’ in Europe.The problem is they are zb dangerously contradictory over complicated rules.As for the US slightly better.But now using E logs,which are as bad as tachos, and don’t provide the scope for rest that UK domestic regs do.Which still leaves the inconvenient fact that international journeys don’t have to be subject to EU or AETR regs,at least regards use of tachos,in Europe.Which leaves the question of the government’s case for imposing EU regs and tachos on us here at all.
Dolph:
Would have been so easy if whole of Europe had one single set of rules like in US. When I drove there the rules were like that: ín 24hrs period you are allowed - 14hrs work day, 10hrs. rest, no if’s or but’s. From the 14hrs - 4 were other work, 10 were driving. After 6 days of driving you must take minimum of 36 consecutive hours of rest.
Thats it, this rules were valid from Washington state to Florida and from California to Maine.
You did your brakes whenever you deemed necessary to.
Why cant we have one set of rules for the whole of Europe?
It would actually be ‘easier’ if we went back to domestic regs and reached an ‘agreement’ with other countries that UK registered trucks run under UK regs as per their place of registration on international journeys.Just like any other non AETR aligned state like the US can in Europe.
So you want every authority in Europe to learn and know British rules for British truck on their soil, instead of heaving universal rules for the whole continent. Are your police and dvsa willing to check euro trucks by each and every country rules the truck is registered to. I doubt that, its more insane then today situation
DVSA pulles over Polish truck, oh we got to check what the Polish rules are, next is the Bulgarian truck. Oh but why stop there, speed limit in BG is 62mph for truck, lets drive in UK under the rules where the truck is registered to.
Once you go down this path there is no end…
Dolph:
Would have been so easy if whole of Europe had one single set of rules like in US. When I drove there the rules were like that: ín 24hrs period you are allowed - 14hrs work day, 10hrs. rest, no if’s or but’s. From the 14hrs - 4 were other work, 10 were driving. After 6 days of driving you must take minimum of 36 consecutive hours of rest.
Thats it, this rules were valid from Washington state to Florida and from California to Maine.
You did your brakes whenever you deemed necessary to.
Why cant we have one set of rules for the whole of Europe?
It would actually be ‘easier’ if we went back to domestic regs and reached an ‘agreement’ with other countries that UK registered trucks run under UK regs as per their place of registration on international journeys.Just like any other non AETR aligned state like the US can in Europe.
So you want every authority in Europe to learn and know British rules for British truck on their soil, instead of heaving universal rules for the whole continent. Are your police and dvsa willing to check euro trucks by each and every country rules the truck is registered to. I doubt that, its more insane then today situation
DVSA pulles over Polish truck, oh we got to check what the Polish rules are, next is the Bulgarian truck. Oh but why stop there, speed limit in BG is 62mph for truck, lets drive in UK under the rules where the truck is registered to.
Once you go down this path there is no end…
I think you missed the point that Brit trucks just wouldn’t be running with tachos because we don’t need them under our regs.Other than that it’s obvious that EU ‘hours’ regs apply in EU states In which case feel free to explain how the relevant authorities would deal with a non AETR/EU reg truck being stopped by UK,French,etc VOSA such as in the case of US reg ?.
muckles:
so if you have an international O’licence you run under EU regs and a national O’licence you run under domestic regs, what about a restricted licence?
It’s clear that if you’re running outside the national borders then it’s no longer a domestic subject to domestic laws operation whether restricted or international.
I know a lot of companies with International O’licences who hardly, if ever, run abroad, so what will they do, and what about my week, returned from Germany on Monday, due to delays I only got as far as Ashford, do next day I drive back to the Workshop, then on Wednesday I went back to Kent to collect a truck that had been repaired. So at what points do I run Domestic and what point AETR?
If they’ve got an International O licence then they obviously intend to run outside the country.As for your week which part of an international not domestic operation didn’t you understand.
So I have to run under one set of rules while others run under another. Sounds really simple, espeically if I am using agency drivers who are also working with companies on Domestic operations
Carryfast:
As for restricted or even international I notice you never ( couldn’t ) provided an answer as to how a US registered truck,with no tacho,can happily be used for own account work in Europe at least in the case of motor race team work,or for that matter commercially as part of an international journey.Which sort of makes your whole bs case moot.IE we only need tachos in that case because we’ve got a zb grovelling,gutless,pro to the point of religious following,federalist government.Just like it’s equally Europhile in campaign supporters.
I assume the Corvette use one of the Derogation to exempt their vehicle, and because of the temporary nature of the Import it’s pretty much left alone. I’m sure that they have to go through many hoops and form filling to get it done, otherwise why wouldn’t the other US teams at Le Mans do the, Krohn Racing did bring their truck to Europe in 2012, but since then like other US teams, they have hired European trucks and trailers for Le Mans and the ELMS.
And UK and European teams have taken their truck to the US, there are ways but it isn’t easy, Prodrive did it in 2012 or 2013.
Carryfast:
If they’ve got an International O licence then they obviously intend to run outside the country.As for your week which part of an international not domestic operation didn’t you understand.
So I have to run under one set of rules while others run under another. Sounds really simple, espeically if I am using agency drivers who are also working with companies on Domestic operations
Carryfast:
As for restricted or even international I notice you never ( couldn’t ) provided an answer as to how a US registered truck,with no tacho,can happily be used for own account work in Europe at least in the case of motor race team work,or for that matter commercially as part of an international journey.Which sort of makes your whole bs case moot.IE we only need tachos in that case because we’ve got a zb grovelling,gutless,pro to the point of religious following,federalist government.Just like it’s equally Europhile in campaign supporters.
I assume the Corvette use one of the Derogation to exempt their vehicle, and because of the temporary nature of the Import it’s pretty much left alone. I’m sure that they have to go through many hoops and form filling to get it done, otherwise why wouldn’t the other US teams at Le Mans do the, Krohn Racing did bring their truck to Europe in 2012, but since then like other US teams, they have hired European trucks and trailers for Le Mans and the ELMS.
And UK and European teams have taken their truck to the US, there are ways but it isn’t easy, Prodrive did it in 2012 or 2013.
If you’re using an agency driver for international work ( really ) then it’s obvious that won’t be UK domestic hours regs.But the relevant bit is it won’t need a tacho.
As for US trucks being used here as I said the ability of non AETR aligned states to run in Europe applies.In which case yes a US truck can run in Europe without a tacho on both own account and commercial work as part of an international journey.While a Euro reg truck can run in the US on own account work but not commercially.In which case feel free to explain why we can’t have domestic hours regs for domestic operations and Brit reg trucks running to Europe without tachos as part of that.
Carryfast:
As for ‘thinking about’ domestic regs we’ve actually still got them in use regards exempt types.It’s just then a case of removing the EU directives which enforce their use within our own borders generally.
You do know that you can do 15 hour shifts or even longer on domestic, don’t you?
You do know there’s no minimum rest on domestic, just adequate rest, don’t you?
You do know that there are no breaks required on domestic, don’t you?
You do know you can work 7 days a week, week in week out on domestic, don’t you?
What a surprise an obvious in campaign supporter conveniently selectively overlooks the issue of the 11 hour daily duty limit.
Or the definition of ‘adequate’ rest.In which case there’s more chance of telling the guvnor to do one regards being expected to take a 9 hour daily rest period,among other silly hours instructions,than under the zb EU regs.
I haven’t overlooked that in the slightest, once again you’ve proving that your knowledge is limited on the subject of GB domestic hours, despite always banging on about them and we should run on them.
The 11 hours is driving + other work, breaks don’t count.
If painting the full picture that you’ve left out to suit your agenda or due to lack of knowledge, makes me an in campaigner, then an in campaigner I must be
Dolph:
Would have been so easy if whole of Europe had one single set of rules like in US. When I drove there the rules were like that: ín 24hrs period you are allowed - 14hrs work day, 10hrs. rest, no if’s or but’s. From the 14hrs - 4 were other work, 10 were driving. After 6 days of driving you must take minimum of 36 consecutive hours of rest.
Thats it, this rules were valid from Washington state to Florida and from California to Maine.
You did your brakes whenever you deemed necessary to.
Why cant we have one set of rules for the whole of Europe?
It would actually be ‘easier’ if we went back to domestic regs and reached an ‘agreement’ with other countries that UK registered trucks run under UK regs as per their place of registration on international journeys.Just like any other non AETR aligned state like the US can in Europe.
You can’t be for real? That’s gotta be up there in the top 5 carryfast ideas list
I always assumed that domestic rules were simply the old (pre EU) rules. But on Googling them it seems that they are not, perhaps this is confusing some to think that a “return” to domestic would mean a return to “pre EU”, which it wouldn’t.
In any case, if leaving the EU the Govt would have so much to sort out that transport regulations (apart from cross border movement of goods) would be way down the list of things to do.
Carryfast:
If they’ve got an International O licence then they obviously intend to run outside the country.As for your week which part of an international not domestic operation didn’t you understand.
So I have to run under one set of rules while others run under another. Sounds really simple, espeically if I am using agency drivers who are also working with companies on Domestic operations
Carryfast:
As for restricted or even international I notice you never ( couldn’t ) provided an answer as to how a US registered truck,with no tacho,can happily be used for own account work in Europe at least in the case of motor race team work,or for that matter commercially as part of an international journey.Which sort of makes your whole bs case moot.IE we only need tachos in that case because we’ve got a zb grovelling,gutless,pro to the point of religious following,federalist government.Just like it’s equally Europhile in campaign supporters.
I assume the Corvette use one of the Derogation to exempt their vehicle, and because of the temporary nature of the Import it’s pretty much left alone. I’m sure that they have to go through many hoops and form filling to get it done, otherwise why wouldn’t the other US teams at Le Mans do the, Krohn Racing did bring their truck to Europe in 2012, but since then like other US teams, they have hired European trucks and trailers for Le Mans and the ELMS.
And UK and European teams have taken their truck to the US, there are ways but it isn’t easy, Prodrive did it in 2012 or 2013.
If you’re using an agency driver for international work ( really ) then it’s obvious that won’t be UK domestic hours regs.But the relevant bit is it won’t need a tacho.
A lot of F1 teams and organisations use Agency drivers for their trucks?
And many race teams use part time drivers, who are likely to be swapping between UK domestic haulage and International race work, we have a part time driver off to Norway today.
I know drivers who be doing F1 one week and working for Tesco the next week, so are they staying on EU regs as they once drove a truck into Europe.
It will only not need a tacho in your head.
Carryfast:
As for US trucks being used here as I said the ability of non AETR aligned states to run in Europe applies.In which case yes a US truck can run in Europe without a tacho on both own account and commercial work as part of an international journey.While a Euro reg truck can run in the US on own account work but not commercially.In which case feel free to explain why we can’t have domestic hours regs for domestic operations and Brit reg trucks running to Europe without tachos as part of that.
The Corvette Trucks are hardly commercial haulage trucks, they are mobile workshops that arrive here for a one off event.
I’m sure if US trucks were coming here in large numbers then the rules would be tightened so they have to run tachographs, especially if they were competing with our haulage companies for work.
Why would the rest of Europe allow us to be the exception?
Carryfast:
In which case realistically no one is stupid enough to work a full shift without a decent break/s.While log books allow more breaks without the guvnor even knowing about it.Together with an effectively 12 hour total shift limit.
As opposed to 15 hour shifts all under the big brother control of the tacho.
Don’t be silly. You’re talking to a forum where a lot of them were whining about only being able to work 48hrs a week when the WTD was introduced and the PoA wasn’t mentioned. They’ll see log books as a way to go back to 24/7 running and be there literally peeing themselves in excitement at the thought of being able to put in 100hrs or more a week.
stevieboy308:
I haven’t overlooked that in the slightest, once again you’ve proving that your knowledge is limited on the subject of GB domestic hours, despite always banging on about them and we should run on them.
The 11 hours is driving + other work, breaks don’t count.
If painting the full picture that you’ve left out to suit your agenda or due to lack of knowledge, makes me an in campaigner, then an in campaigner I must be
Leave it out.11 hours + 1 hour break = a 12 hour overall shift.If you feel like having 2 hours off in breaks that’s still a lot less than the EU 15 hour day obtainable with 9 hours reduced daily rest.Yes the in campaign for people who don’t do maths.
Carryfast:
As for restricted or even international I notice you never ( couldn’t ) provided an answer as to how a US registered truck,with no tacho,can happily be used for own account work in Europe at least in the case of motor race team work,or for that matter commercially as part of an international journey.Which sort of makes your whole bs case moot.IE we only need tachos in that case because we’ve got a zb grovelling,gutless,pro to the point of religious following,federalist government.Just like it’s equally Europhile in campaign supporters.
I assume the Corvette use one of the Derogation to exempt their vehicle, and because of the temporary nature of the Import it’s pretty much left alone. I’m sure that they have to go through many hoops and form filling to get it done, otherwise why wouldn’t the other US teams at Le Mans do the, Krohn Racing did bring their truck to Europe in 2012, but since then like other US teams, they have hired European trucks and trailers for Le Mans and the ELMS.
And UK and European teams have taken their truck to the US, there are ways but it isn’t easy, Prodrive did it in 2012 or 2013.
If you’re using an agency driver for international work ( really ) then it’s obvious that won’t be UK domestic hours regs.But the relevant bit is it won’t need a tacho.
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A lot of F1 teams and organisations use Agency drivers for their trucks?
And many race teams use part time drivers, who are likely to be swapping between UK domestic haulage and International race work, we have a part time driver off to Norway today.
I know drivers who be doing F1 one week and working for Tesco the next week, so are they staying on EU regs as they once drove a truck into Europe.
It will only not need a tacho in your head.
Carryfast:
As for US trucks being used here as I said the ability of non AETR aligned states to run in Europe applies.In which case yes a US truck can run in Europe without a tacho on both own account and commercial work as part of an international journey.While a Euro reg truck can run in the US on own account work but not commercially.In which case feel free to explain why we can’t have domestic hours regs for domestic operations and Brit reg trucks running to Europe without tachos as part of that.
The Corvette Trucks are hardly commercial haulage trucks, they are mobile workshops that arrive here for a one off event.
I’m sure if US trucks were coming here in large numbers then the rules would be tightened so they have to run tachographs, especially if they were competing with our haulage companies for work.
Why would the rest of Europe allow us to be the exception?
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Which part of,there are no EU rules which stop non AETR aligned states temporary entry into Europe as part of an international own account or commercial operation/journey,therefore no need for a tacho,don’t you understand.
While the only reason that we aren’t using domestic regs for domestic operations is because the EU and our grovelling Europhile government says so.
In which case feel free to explain how the relevant authorities would deal with a non AETR/EU reg truck being stopped by UK,French,etc VOSA such as in the case of US reg ?. 