Also sorry to go on but import levy only hurt person that’s importing. Like D. Trump doing it to Mexico to pay for wall. 10% import levy means $100 tv from Mexico becomes $110 tv, only hurts person buying it not produce country. But export levy means goods you are trying to export become more expensive to buy so other countries go elsewhere. I know you understand these basic economic principles as protectionism was proven years ago to be self defeating.
alicks77:
No what I am saying the EU could punish the uk by putting a levy on goods exported to the uk and goods exported from the uk. Companies like BMW would not do it, the EU would. They would be cutting their nose off to spite their face but if they are as controlling and intent on world ■■■■■■■■■■ as you make out then they will do it.I don’t want to argue, I don’t care what you think/say I know how I will be voting. I don’t mind people with foreign accents. I just hope whatever way it goes people respect the verdict. I just get slightly peeved when people hark back to the empire/good old days, that never really existed.
So the in campaign’s idea of getting round the inconvenient issue of our trade deficit is that ze Germans will apply trade tarrifs to their own exports to ‘punish’ us. 
Which part of great then we’ll have to buy British even if it means Jaguar having to go back to using GM transmissions which were actually bullet proof and no reason to think aren’t still.So we lose the fewer Jaguar exports to the EU but Jaguar gains the more lost German imports in the domestic market.Resulting in a net increase in Brit jobs.While the closing of the borders mean that the jobs go to British workers.
While if,as you admit,they’ll do it to dominate us then why would you want to stay in it. 
I’m not surprised that you don’t want to argue because your argument is absolute total bollox.Although look on the bright side it’s just adding to the case for Brexit. 
alicks77:
Also sorry to go on but import levy only hurt person that’s importing. Like D. Trump doing it to Mexico to pay for wall. 10% import levy means $100 tv from Mexico becomes $110 tv, only hurts person buying it not produce country. But export levy means goods you are trying to export become more expensive to buy so other countries go elsewhere. I know you understand these basic economic principles as protectionism was proven years ago to be self defeating.
What the zb are you talking about.They put a tarrif on their own ( BMW/Merc ) exports,or we put it on them,the customer ( here ) doesn’t buy them but buys a Jaguar instead yes we know it’ll need a GM trans.How does Germany gain from this ?.While at the same time how doesn’t it help the UK economy in the form of more jobs here not Germany.
thetastytrucker:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJ05NfM-4Y#t=41
Oh look young people aren’t all zb wit Socialists and can do anti Federalism. 
Is anyone else losing the will to live with the whole thing and just wants it over one way or another?
People will still want bmw/mercs, if people were like that they would be already buying jags.
I personally would love to only buy jaguars but it being British is very low on the list of reasons why. I beleive most of UK citizens would be the same. Most people do not get a hard on over things with union flags on. Most people’s patriotism is idealogical not a tattoo/badge.
alicks77:
People will still want bmw/mercs, if people were like that they would be already buying jags.I personally would love to only buy jaguars but it being British is very low on the list of reasons why. I beleive most of UK citizens would be the same. Most people do not get a hard on over things with union flags on. Most people’s patriotism is idealogical not a tattoo/badge.
But you said ( rightly ) that if they or we put massive tarrifs on the German product the customer won’t buy it.Just as the German customers won’t buy the more expensive British product.Obviously preferring to buy the then ( much ) cheaper Jaguar alternative.How do the Germans gain from that and how do we lose bearing in mind that the Germans sell more Mercs and BMW’s here than Jaguar sells in the EU.
As for the flag yes we get it,like all the other Europhiles,you’re not keen on backing your own country,assuming it is your country,as opposed to the EU Federation.
Juddian:
gazsa401:
Shamelessly borrowed this from Gazsa who posted it in the Oldtimers forum, hope you don’t mind mate , it speaks volumes.
Yeah, it says that the exit campaign is being run by a load of xenophobic bigots who are so desperate that they will hijack an image which has nothing to do with the debate to try and garner support…truly sad and desperate.
del trotter:
Juddian:
gazsa401:
Shamelessly borrowed this from Gazsa who posted it in the Oldtimers forum, hope you don’t mind mate , it speaks volumes.
Yeah, it says that the exit campaign is being run by a load of xenophobic bigots who are so desperate that they will hijack an image which has nothing to do with the debate to try and garner support…truly sad and desperate.
I suppose Churchill was a xenophobe then Just because the eu doesn’t kill thousands of people, doesn’t mean it’s any different to the forced, undemocratic federalist regime Hitler wanted. De Gaulle was as big a megalomaniac as Hitler, and this is his legacy.
You lefties make me laugh, if you got mugged you’d apologise for not having enough money on you
OVLOV JAY:
I suppose Churchill was a xenophobe then
I honestly thought you were more intelligent than that, shame that you are now coming across as the same as the morons in groups such as EDL etc.
Explain the logic behind that. How does wanting self governance and independence make me a racist? Were all the scots who voted for independence racist?
There is plenty of evidence to support the view that Churchill held racist and white supremacist views, although I have no idea why you cited him as that is clearly a World War 1 photo.
To compare the referendum to either world war is in my view low, ignorant and smacks of the sort of post I would expect from the group I named, if you feel you agree with that view you should not be upset to be grouped with them
So now you want to rewrite history to suggest we defended democracy in the two world wars, in the name of racism?
That’s a stretch isn’t it?
Where did I say that?
Churchills personal views had nothing to do with world war 2, I was just answering the question of whether he was racist.
To compare the EU to Hitlers vision of Europe is childish and puerile.
Godwin’s Law clearly alive and well.
I suppose it’s all down to (mis)interpretation
OVLOV JAY:
I suppose it’s all down to (mis)interpretation
Quote - your words: “Just because the eu doesn’t kill thousands of people, doesn’t mean it’s any different to the forced, undemocratic federalist regime Hitler wanted”.
Whats is misinterpreted, because you are talking total ■■■■■■■■!!!
Dolph:
OVLOV JAY:
I suppose it’s all down to (mis)interpretationQuote - your words: “Just because the eu doesn’t kill thousands of people, doesn’t mean it’s any different to the forced, undemocratic federalist regime Hitler wanted”.
Whats is misinterpreted, because you are talking total ■■■■■■■■!!!
The fact he interpreted that quote to call me a racist. Then he said Churchill was a racist, so I interpreted that to mean we fought a war based on a racist agenda. Now you have interpreted it in a different way again. You should look up the meaning of the word subjective
Bear with me I’m only on page 6 of what is a very juicy read.
IMHO having weighed up all the arguments for being in, out or shake it all about I have deceided to be an inny.
This decision was concluded by travelling forward in time using both possible outcomes as a split in the space time continuum and comparing my wages in both realities.
I’m unable to debate my decision as like the average voter I know fork all about this stuff but interestingly no matter which reality I choose to visit in the future Donald Trump was president.
Oh and England win the euros in the one where the in vote also wins.