wheelnutt:
Us remainers are just scaremongering, any and all facts we bring to the table are just lies. This referendum is going the same way as the Scottish one, common sense goes out the window and radical blinkered views are the flavour of the day for anyone wanting to leave.
And the “funniest” thing is that more and more immigrants come from non EU countries each year, but Brits will shoot their foot by leaving EU on pretext on immigration from EU. No mention about the non EU migrants by the leave campaign, only scary stories how 29 million Bulgarians and Romanians will come
And all the Turks, even though they aren’t even in the EU yet. Don’t you know we are going to have 88Mn of them moving here on June 24th…
They were interviewing the great unwashed on local TV last night regarding the referendum, one mouth breather claimed we have to vote out as there are 500 million immigrants on their way here from the EU.
Whats really concerning me is we have had nearly 2 pages and not a post from Carryfast,
Is it pension day or are they having a day out at the home for the terminally deluded.
muckles:
Whats really concerning me is we have had nearly 2 pages and not a post from Carryfast,
Is it pension day or are they having a day out at the home for the terminally deluded.
He is probably licking the windows of the minibus as we type.
I tried to find news in BG media of the opinion of Brits living in Bulgaria, when I stumble on another news, which might be impossible to execute without EU.
Arresting and deporting criminals from member states. Bulgarian crooks in UK or British crooks in BG.
A British pensioner couple wanted for crimes(420 000 pound theft of art) in United Kingdom was arrested in Bulgaria on European arrest warrant issued by Edinburgh police/court. 24chasa.bg/region/article/5561871
How we gonna fight cross border crimes without UK being in EU?
I haven’t made my mind up yet, I’m still swinging both ways
So it’s good to see both sides wading into the argument.
My problem with the EU is the same problem I have with Westminster, the people in power are living and working in a bubble, they’ve become complacent.
And having spoken to many people from various parts of Europe the feeling is the same, hence the rise of more extreme political factions across Europe, who seem to offer the answers the mainstream politicians aren’t giving them.
Those in the EU bubble need a kick, or kicked out, they need to start responding to normal peoples concerns and realise their ideological crusade of the EU isn’t going to work with the average people of Europe, if they don’t then I think the ramifications will be far worse than a country, who never really embraced the ideals of the EU, voting to leave.
wheelnutt:
If all the foreign investors pull their cash out we will be bankrupt on the 24th. Of course that is only scaremongering…
And if there was even a 0.000000000001% chance of that happening, the referendum would be pulled. Even the remain campaign aren’t pedalling that crap… Yet. As for the quantitative easing, I’ve not been happy about it since they started doing it to artificially end the recession, if anyone actually believes it’s over anyway. Some foreign investment is disappearing, but it is down to forecast. People are pulling money incase it loses value on the 24th, and as you rightly say have been since the date was announced.
That report also says these are the first signs foreign investors are worried about the 23rd, so how is that not a forecast?
It also says the £77bn left in the pot is only £2bn down from the previous 6 months, so however that £63bn came back in, we’re not likely to go pop on exit. Funny how the remain campaign love gross figures when defending themselves, but use net figures to rubbish brexit
Dolph:
How we gonna fight cross border crimes without UK being in EU?
Extradition treaties like we have in the past.
The way I understand, the concern with the European arrest warrant, is there is no representation in a UK court, this pretty much goes against the principles of UK law.
Of course both system have their faults, another European country could decide that the extradition warrant from the UK isn’t valid.
Winseer:
If that’s true - the pound has been holding up so well that it looks as if there’s an equal influx of money to balance the outgoing cash.
Yeah there is; OUR cash to the tune of 100Bn a week. The Bank of England doesn’t generate cash out of thin air, even that 100Bn a week still brought the pound down to a 7 year low.
The cost of leaving the ERM was 4 Billion, we are spending that and more each day now. We are at the point that the BOE has organised liquidity swaps with the Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank, they are running short and have to borrow from abroad.
Yup pinch of salt…
Ah I forgot, of course, I am scaremongering.
If we’d have listened to the Europhiles we wouldn’t have the pound we’d be in the Euro.I thought that was supposed to be a bad thing because even Europhile Brown thought we’d be better off with our own currency than the Euro for some reason in plain defiance of Blair’s position.
As for the bankers how do you explain Callaghan having to go running to the IMF ‘after’ we’d joined the scam and the value of the pound in 2012 v 1969 being that no one had called any Euro referendum in 2012 and we obviously weren’t in the EEC/EU in 1969.Or for that matter the state of the UK economy in general ever since we joined the Federalist cluster zb.On that note bankers are the last people we should trust with the national interest.Especially when those bankers are more worried about the effect that us leaving will have on their German exposure than they are about this country.So yes I could quite believe the bankers putting us into debt to pay for the effects of Brexit on the zb Germans.
wheelnutt:
And all the Turks, even though they aren’t even in the EU yet. Don’t you know we are going to have 88Mn of them moving here on June 24th…
We know it’s a ‘fact’ that both Merkel ‘and’ Cameron are on record as supporting fastrack Turkish EU membership.Which effectively gives free movement to most of the Asian world going by Turkey’s Islamic sympathies and stated aim of distorting European v Islamic demographics by birthrates and obviously movement.
wheelnutt:
The Brexiters just keep going on about how everything will be OK and how great the UK will be after June 23rd. They can’t see what is happening around them.
Let’s briefly touch on our exports, the biggest three are cars, oil and pharma. We only export to Holland, Germany, France and a bit to Spain, we hardly export to the eastern part of the EU.
Any deal with the EU will have to be approved unanimously, by each and every state. Do you Brexiters really think that every country would give the UK a fair deal? You guys keep harping on about how they can’t do without us.
There only has to be one country, and there are plenty, that see no benefit in giving the UK any kind of deal and there won’t be a deal.
I can see the Italians refusing a deal, that will mean they can sell more of their cars, so will the Czech republic. Poland would like no deal as they will sell more of their Pharma, Denmark and Romania could do without a deal, that would mean they can sell more of their oil. Holland could do without, they would sell more of their gas. What do we buy and sell from Austria, bugger all. They would love to give their Pharma industry a boost by cutting us out of the equation.
Even the Germans, our biggest trading partner will get internal pressures not to give us a favourable deal, their Pharma and car industry would get a boost if they eliminate UK competition and on top of that it would keep the EU together, win win.
I can definitely see Spain, Portugal and Greece not giving us a deal, they don’t want their own population thinking about leaving and want to give us the hardest time they possibly can.
Total bs that relies on the same tired old argument that the EU will hit a net importer of its products with trade sanctions.What are the Germans etc going to do in this ‘unfavourable deal’ let me guess threaten to cut off our supply of Renaults,Fiats,Peugeots, BMW’s and Mercs.In exchange for which we cut off their supply of oil and sell the stuff cheaper at home.IE at worse a win win situation.
While what you’re saying is let’s stay in a dictatorial Federalist zb pile that imposes sanctions on any dissent or attempted secession.
Winseer:
If that’s true - the pound has been holding up so well that it looks as if there’s an equal influx of money to balance the outgoing cash.
Yeah there is; OUR cash to the tune of 100Bn a week. The Bank of England doesn’t generate cash out of thin air, even that 100Bn a week still brought the pound down to a 7 year low.
The cost of leaving the ERM was 4 Billion, we are spending that and more each day now. We are at the point that the BOE has organised liquidity swaps with the Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank, they are running short and have to borrow from abroad.
Yup pinch of salt…
“Pinch of Salt.” - Yes. This chart is NOT the chart of a currency dropping to a seven year low.
I’m not looking at what people say. People make speculations that are often wrong. I’m looking at the results already in. The pound is not strongly trending down, and I don’t believe for a minute that the BoE is spending billions per day in propping it up when it’s already spending billions propping up the Euro at the EU’s request - something which can finally stop when we leave. The overall effect is one of balance though, as should there be a sharp downward move in the pound upon Brexit - the Bank of England can then unwind it’s huge long Euro position at a nice profit. Should the pound RALLY though - the Bank of England is going to be stuck in the red with that same huge position in Euros. Foreign speculators will also get a caning if there is a Post-Brexit rally - even to the point of bringing some of the smaller ones down, as was the case after the Bank of Switzerland removed the Euro 1.20 peg last year.
I re-iterate then: Once something has actually happened and the sky fallen in - then it’s fact. If it is still being postulated about, but nothing has happened - it’s still speculation, and people are still betting on it - many of them getting it wrong in the process… There is NO guarantee the pound will weaken between now and the referendum - let alone go “100% in one direction” upon the result. The biggest cause of losses when trading currencies is “getting the result right - but it’s anticipated effect on the market wrong”… Easier than you might think. I’ve been there with the Euro more than once when trading currencies myself. The pound chart above is more about “sideways movement” rather than “total” or even “gradual” collapse in sterling. You don’t measure it against the Euro - you measure it against the Dollar, since the Euro’s price has long since been manipulated upwards just as the Chinese currency has been artificially lowered from where it should be over time.
wheelnutt:
If all the foreign investors pull their cash out we will be bankrupt on the 24th. Of course that is only scaremongering…
And if there was even a 0.000000000001% chance of that happening, the referendum would be pulled. Even the remain campaign aren’t pedalling that crap… Yet. As for the quantitative easing, I’ve not been happy about it since they started doing it to artificially end the recession, if anyone actually believes it’s over anyway. Some foreign investment is disappearing, but it is down to forecast. People are pulling money incase it loses value on the 24th, and as you rightly say have been since the date was announced.
That report also says these are the first signs foreign investors are worried about the 23rd, so how is that not a forecast?
It also says the £77bn left in the pot is only £2bn down from the previous 6 months, so however that £63bn came back in, we’re not likely to go pop on exit. Funny how the remain campaign love gross figures when defending themselves, but use net figures to rubbish brexit
Agree with you here. Not enough is said about the money the Bank of England has been pumping into the ECB for some time now. You could even say the BoE is the ECB’s ■■■■■ right now. From an outsider’s perspective - by forcing the Bank of England to take a huge long position in a currency likely to be hammered upon Brexit - it’s hoped that the BoE will then be totally against Brexit - which sure enough - it does seem to be right now!
When we exited the ERM - we had a large long position in our own currency, which we lost around a £billion on (profit paid to those like George Soros) when THAT position was unwound.
I wonder if some of these “currency positions” are being called “foreign investment about to be withdrawn”. What a load of spin THAT is if true eh?
kr79:
When our capital city has a large ethnic population than a native British one something has gone wrong. I don’t blame immigrants I blame the system.
correct, don’t blame the player blame the game. they’re just playing the game!
Carryfast it’s not that they would cut us off and prevent us buying bmws, it’s that they would put a levy on them. Meaning it would cost more to buy them and if they put a levy on goods we export it means EU countries won’t buy them. This will at best slow done economy at worst ■■■■■■■ it. No company will for go Europe for 440 million customers for a uk market of 60 million.
You can bet your house if we walk away from EU they will punish us. And other trading blocks will know we are desperate and pump it into us.
alicks77:
Carryfast it’s not that they would cut us off and prevent us buying bmws, it’s that they would put a levy on them. Meaning it would cost more to buy them and if they put a levy on goods we export it means EU countries won’t buy them. This will at best slow done economy at worst ■■■■■■■ it. No company will for go Europe for 440 million customers for a uk market of 60 million.
You can bet your house if we walk away from EU they will punish us. And other trading blocks will know we are desperate and pump it into us.
Brexiters don’t realise uk is small country now.
Total utter unmitigated bs.
Firstly it’s ‘us’ who’d only put a levy on our many German imports ‘in response reatailation’ to ‘them’ putting a ‘levy’ on our few exports.That would hurt ‘them’ more than it would ever hurt ‘us’ assuming you can do basic maths.
IE we are a net importer of EU products IE we buy more from them than they have ever bought from us since we joined regardless of relative population levels.On that note why would we want to be part of a vicious Federal cluster zb that ‘punishes’ the idea of dissent or secession.Let alone when that so called ‘punishment’ involves the bs threat of a net exporter trying to kick off a trade war with a net importer of its products.IE if you’re right bring it on because that would reverse decades of Brit jobs being lost in the domestic economy,because the domestic market has been taken over by more EU imports than we’ve ever gained in exports to them.
Or are you a German car buyer who just doesn’t like the idea of having to buy British because of the bs threat of a non existent trade war with ze zb Germans.Which we’d actually benefit from by gaining more in the domestic market than we stand to lose in the EU market,if only it was true.
On that note I’m still waiting to for an answer from the Europhiles on here as to how it was that the pound was worth 2.7 Swiss Francs in 1969 and how we had a trade surplus with the EEC/EU before we joined and deficit after and how British workers had the right to take secondary strike action with more of them employed making British products for the British market.
All that if the EU is supposedly so good for British jobs and British workers rights and the value of the pound and trade.I won’t hold my breath waiting for an answer.But let me guess it’ll go along the lines that we are no longer good enough to make stuff for ourselves,or run our own country and we are now totally dependent on the zb Krauts for everything including our government.
Why do remain insist on saying if we put a levy on the eu, nobody will buy from us, but if they put a levy on us, we will carry on buying at extra cost? It’s a total load of crap. We’re hated in the eu, as the voting in Eurovision always shows. We weren’t even wanted in the eu in the first place. We’re like that flash bloke down the pub. Everybody hates him, but wants him in there as he throws the cash around all night and gives everyone a free ride
Shamelessly borrowed this from Gazsa who posted it in the Oldtimers forum, hope you don’t mind mate , it speaks volumes.
Seemed an ideal moment to remind some here, who might be wavering at the doom and gloom predicted should we do what Britain has always done, stand alone when needed.
OVLOV JAY:
We’re like that flash bloke down the pub. Everybody hates him,
You mean like an early 1980’s Bavarian pub full of old war veterans when you order a beer in English and then drive off with a rhd 3.0 Litre BMW with the GB stickers on it.
No what I am saying the EU could punish the uk by putting a levy on goods exported to the uk and goods exported from the uk. Companies like BMW would not do it, the EU would. They would be cutting their nose off to spite their face but if they are as controlling and intent on world ■■■■■■■■■■ as you make out then they will do it.
I don’t want to argue, I don’t care what you think/say I know how I will be voting. I don’t mind people with foreign accents. I just hope whatever way it goes people respect the verdict. I just get slightly peeved when people hark back to the empire/good old days, that never really existed.
