So If We Leave

The Bank of England has already held one liquidity issuance and there are two more scheduled this month, they are pumping as much cash in the banking system as they can just in case there will be a vote for Brexit, they have also tapped into two swap lines, one with the Federal Reserve and one with the European Central Bank.

If you think that leaving the ERM was a disaster, one that only cost a few Billion, you just wait and see what happens when the UK votes to leave.

For anyone slightly interested in Foreign exchange rates have a look at what happened when the Swiss National Bank dropped their currency peg, the exchange rate versus the dollar went through the floor, hundreds of Billions changed hands.

The BOE is meeting for an extraordinary meeting at the referendum and plenty can see them raising rates a few percent to stem the outflow of Pounds.

Half the FTSE is owned by foreigners, how many of them will hold on to their investments and how many will cash out when the UK leaves especially once the Pound start dropping.

ALL of the regulated services industry in the UK will have to move back to the EU if we vote out, Wells Fargo have already stated 30-50,000 jobs will have to go, the CEO of Lloyds has already stated that they can’t operate in the UK anymore unless they negotiate 27 different agreements to sell their services in the EU.

ALL of the major Swiss banks are in London because they can’t operate in their own country into the EU. ALL of the American banks are in London because they can’t operate into the EU from the US. They are here because we have free passporting, we will lose that right once we vote to leave.

All of that will move and leave London, probably to Frankfurt.

Before you say, who cares, just a bunch of bankers, those bankers, insurance companies, pension funds and accountancy firms generate 76% of our GDP.

Once the services industry are forced to move their regulated entities to the EU what do you think is going to stop them from moving the whole shop, it would be that much easier to operate then.

And don’t say it will be too expensive to move the whole services sector, it will cost them nothing, they just charge their customer.

We are not a manufacturing nation, we haven’t been for decades, we are a services nation. This is not about immigration, manufacturing or even driving a lorry, this is about playing fast and loose with 3/4 of our income.

The CEO of Virgin money has already backed the Treasury and publicly stated that mortgage rates will go up with at least a percent after a Brexit vote. If the BOE does have to step in to stem capital flows, expect a mortgage rate increase of a few percent. That is 30 Billion worth of mortgage that will have to go up with £2000 pounds a year each on average, that is just one mortgage broker. That will not only increase the cost of owning a house but also of renting one as the Buy to Let mortgage will go up even more as they demand a premium.

For those interested in what happens to currencies, have a look at the last few days and see what a 2 percentage swing in favour of Brexit did to the value of the Pound.

Voting for Brexit is voting for Armageddon, it is not going to solve the immigrant issue, it will trigger a recession the likes of which no European country has seen.

The UK is over a Trillion in debt, what do you think a Brexit is going to do to the cost of servicing that debt, it will force any post Brexit government into a generation of cuts and austerity. No investor is going to want to invest in the UK post Brexit with that much uncertainty and will demand a far higher interest rate then we are paying now. We are enjoying a discount on our debt only because we are in the EU and have our own currency, that discount will be stripped out on a Brexit vote.

The leave campaign keeps talking about the money we send to the EU, they don’t mention the hundreds of Billions leaving will cost us.

The leave campaign have no facts, they just play a psych warfare game, just ignore everybody and everyone, we will be fine. Don’t ask how we will pay for it or how we are going to trade just trust us, yeah right.

We can’t use the Denmark or Swiss option, that won’t keep the services industry here and both require free movement of people and still pay into the system, what do we gain, nothing.

No Brexiter can publish any facts, it is all about psychology, interesting for a few researchers, but not really a solid foundation for a once in a lifetime vote.

alix776:

OVLOV JAY:

alix776:
That’s a national issue nothing to do with the eu. oh enjoy the more expensive holidays abroad and you phone will require world data not eu which is 5 times the price of eu.

Because the aviation industry has gone the way they want haulage to go, a race to the bottom free for all. I’ll choose to protect my wages rather than air fares. And if it’s more expensive to holiday in Spain than the us, then I’ll go to the latter. As for mobile data, I’m of a mind set that I’m on holiday. I don’t need to know how my mates getting on tipping nw10 while I’m round the pool, so I’ll wait for the free wifi in the bar thanks :wink:

You missed the boat by 15 years then as this what has happened over that time its been a race to tue bottom since the early 2000’s

That was when the wages went down, I’m talking about cabotage restrictions lifting and most uk transport companies will cease to exist, thus we will truly hit the bottom

OVLOV JAY:

alix776:

OVLOV JAY:

alix776:
That’s a national issue nothing to do with the eu. oh enjoy the more expensive holidays abroad and you phone will require world data not eu which is 5 times the price of eu.

Because the aviation industry has gone the way they want haulage to go, a race to the bottom free for all. I’ll choose to protect my wages rather than air fares. And if it’s more expensive to holiday in Spain than the us, then I’ll go to the latter. As for mobile data, I’m of a mind set that I’m on holiday. I don’t need to know how my mates getting on tipping nw10 while I’m round the pool, so I’ll wait for the free wifi in the bar thanks :wink:

You missed the boat by 15 years then as this what has happened over that time its been a race to tue bottom since the early 2000’s

That was when the wages went down, I’m talking about cabotage restrictions lifting and most uk transport companies will cease to exist, thus we will truly hit the bottom

Voting to leave will decimate our economy, interest rates will go up, inflation will go through the roof, your income will go down 20,30,40% in real terms. The Pound will crash, parity to the dollar is easily feasible, that will mean everything is going to go up by half in price and your spending power will go down by as much, probably more because you won’t get any pay increases and forget about any living wage talk, that will be booted into the long grass for 20 years.

Forget about cabotage and immigrants, if you are lucky to still have a job in 2 years after an exit, it will be at a vastly reduced pay to what you are enjoying now.

Just look at Tesco for example, they run profit margin of 2%, the tariff under WTO rules, something the Leave campaing want us to use post Brexit is higher. The cost of your basic needs will have to go up, just based on the tariff, even you don’t believe we will see inflation, the price of your groceries will go up to meet the tariffs, that of course will lead to inflation and that of course will, yeah you got it increase the price.

Even if the pound does not change at all, which it will of course, and even if the likes of Virgin money will become a charity overnight and not charge you the extra cost that the capital markets will charge them, the price of everything you buy and use will go up.

Let’s not even talk about the Billions of pounds the government will lose in tax revenues, multiples of what we send to the EU, that will either have to be made up by massive cuts or huge increases in tax rates.

And how do you think wages will drop below the minimum wage?

OVLOV JAY:
And how do you think wages will drop below the minimum wage?

Because in real terms the 8 quid you make now an hour will only be worth a fiver or less in 2 years time.

wheelnutt:
The Bank of England has already held one liquidity issuance and there are two more scheduled this month, they are pumping as much cash in the banking system as they can just in case there will be a vote for Brexit, they have also tapped into two swap lines, one with the Federal Reserve and one with the European Central Bank.

If you think that leaving the ERM was a disaster, one that only cost a few Billion, you just wait and see what happens when the UK votes to leave.

For anyone slightly interested in Foreign exchange rates have a look at what happened when the Swiss National Bank dropped their currency peg, the exchange rate versus the dollar went through the floor, hundreds of Billions changed hands.

The BOE is meeting for an extraordinary meeting at the referendum and plenty can see them raising rates a few percent to stem the outflow of Pounds.

Half the FTSE is owned by foreigners, how many of them will hold on to their investments and how many will cash out when the UK leaves especially once the Pound start dropping.

ALL of the regulated services industry in the UK will have to move back to the EU if we vote out, Wells Fargo have already stated 30-50,000 jobs will have to go, the CEO of Lloyds has already stated that they can’t operate in the UK anymore unless they negotiate 27 different agreements to sell their services in the EU.

ALL of the major Swiss banks are in London because they can’t operate in their own country into the EU. ALL of the American banks are in London because they can’t operate into the EU from the US. They are here because we have free passporting, we will lose that right once we vote to leave.

All of that will move and leave London, probably to Frankfurt.

Before you say, who cares, just a bunch of bankers, those bankers, insurance companies, pension funds and accountancy firms generate 76% of our GDP.

Once the services industry are forced to move their regulated entities to the EU what do you think is going to stop them from moving the whole shop, it would be that much easier to operate then.

And don’t say it will be too expensive to move the whole services sector, it will cost them nothing, they just charge their customer.

We are not a manufacturing nation, we haven’t been for decades, we are a services nation. This is not about immigration, manufacturing or even driving a lorry, this is about playing fast and loose with 3/4 of our income.

The CEO of Virgin money has already backed the Treasury and publicly stated that mortgage rates will go up with at least a percent after a Brexit vote. If the BOE does have to step in to stem capital flows, expect a mortgage rate increase of a few percent. That is 30 Billion worth of mortgage that will have to go up with £2000 pounds a year each on average, that is just one mortgage broker. That will not only increase the cost of owning a house but also of renting one as the Buy to Let mortgage will go up even more as they demand a premium.

For those interested in what happens to currencies, have a look at the last few days and see what a 2 percentage swing in favour of Brexit did to the value of the Pound.

Voting for Brexit is voting for Armageddon, it is not going to solve the immigrant issue, it will trigger a recession the likes of which no European country has seen.

The UK is over a Trillion in debt, what do you think a Brexit is going to do to the cost of servicing that debt, it will force any post Brexit government into a generation of cuts and austerity. No investor is going to want to invest in the UK post Brexit with that much uncertainty and will demand a far higher interest rate then we are paying now. We are enjoying a discount on our debt only because we are in the EU and have our own currency, that discount will be stripped out on a Brexit vote.

Europhile re writing of history and logic in action.The ERM debacle was all about Brit cash being used to save the collapsing Euro which we’d have sunk with ‘if’ we’d have taken all the Europhiles advice to join it.

Yes Trillions in debt unlike before we joined the zb Federalist scam.To which your answer is let’s stay in it. :unamused:

Feel free to post a link to the impartial source that states that

OVLOV JAY:
Feel free to post a link to the impartial source that states that

Thousands of pages have been written about the cost of leaving the EU, zero pages have been written about the financial upside to a Brexit.

Take your head out of the sand and have a read. Don’t let yourself become an easy target to what some of these muppets on the leave side are using to brainwash you into a feeling that Brexit will be a Valhalla.

wheelnutt:

OVLOV JAY:
And how do you think wages will drop below the minimum wage?

Because in real terms the 8 quid you make now an hour will only be worth a fiver or less in 2 years time.

And it will all be so much better when Turkey joins the EU and we have to pay to support them as well as East Europe.In which case who will pay for that and how.In addition to open door immigration with the Middle East and Asia and anyone else who feels like walking in. :unamused:

wheelnutt:

OVLOV JAY:
Feel free to post a link to the impartial source that states that

Thousands of pages have been written about the cost of leaving the EU, zero pages have been written about the financial upside to a Brexit.

Take your head out of the sand and have a read. Don’t let yourself become an easy target to what some of these muppets on the leave side are using to brainwash you into a feeling that Brexit will be a Valhalla.

Thousands of pages all written by the same bunch of Europhile zb’s that have shafted the country since 1973.

Carryfast:

wheelnutt:

OVLOV JAY:
Feel free to post a link to the impartial source that states that

Thousands of pages have been written about the cost of leaving the EU, zero pages have been written about the financial upside to a Brexit.

Take your head out of the sand and have a read. Don’t let yourself become an easy target to what some of these muppets on the leave side are using to brainwash you into a feeling that Brexit will be a Valhalla.

Thousands of pages all written by the same bunch of Europhile zb’s that have shafted the country since 1973.

That is thousands more than you lot have published, the grand total of the Brexiters is zero. You lot can’t even find a left leaning communist to publish a paper on how financially beneficial a Brexit would be.

Of course all the facts of the remain campaign are lies and rubbish. What kind of fools do you think we are?

Stop tapping into the fear of those that think immigrants are to blame for everything and actually debate the facts.

Here is another undisputed fact for you, wages in the UK have more than doubled since 1973, adjusted for inflation. Of course that is another fact you won’t like.

13% of our gdp relies on eu trade. That’s not enough to make a noticeable difference to anyone’s weekly shop. The scaremongering of financial apocalypse is comical, mostly fuelled by those with a vested financial interest in remain :unamused:

OVLOV JAY:
13% of our gdp relies on eu trade. That’s not enough to make a noticeable difference to anyone’s weekly shop. The scaremongering of financial apocalypse is comical, mostly fuelled by those with a vested financial interest in remain :unamused:

That is 44 old chap.

Now add a few percentage points to that in tariffs and see how the UK economy would get on then, add an increase in interest rates to that, a devaluation in the pound and inflation on top and it sure isn’t looking so rosy anymore now is it.

I am still undecided but 90% certain which way my vote is going

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wheelnutt:

Carryfast:

wheelnutt:

OVLOV JAY:
Feel free to post a link to the impartial source that states that

Thousands of pages have been written about the cost of leaving the EU, zero pages have been written about the financial upside to a Brexit.

Take your head out of the sand and have a read. Don’t let yourself become an easy target to what some of these muppets on the leave side are using to brainwash you into a feeling that Brexit will be a Valhalla.

Thousands of pages all written by the same bunch of Europhile zb’s that have shafted the country since 1973.

That is thousands more then you lot have published, the grand total of the Brexiters is zero.

No we’ve got the facts of where the country stood in 1972 v now in terms of just about any economic figure that matters.

So there we have it trillions in debt which you’ve admitted yourself,paying massive contributions for the privilege of being a net importer of EU products and Merkel setting our immigration policy.Together with ‘freedom’ of labour movement ( open door immigration ) that is about to add Turkey effectively together with most of Asia to the list.Together with the removal of cabotage restrictions.That’ll work.

A Brexit won’t stop immigration, it will continue as it does now.

You can’t blame the immigrants for any wage pressure you may personally experience, it is the employers that offer jobs for less pay, that will only get worse once we vote to leave, but then across the board.

wheelnutt:
Here is another undisputed fact for you, wages in the UK have more than doubled since 1973, adjusted for inflation. Of course that is another fact you won’t like.

And housing has risen 8 fold in the same time, so clearly double isn’t enough to keep pace with the cost of living, which underpins the argument on the eu keeping wages low, while its inhabitants go cap in hand asking “please sir, can I have more?”

wheelnutt:

OVLOV JAY:
13% of our gdp relies on eu trade. That’s not enough to make a noticeable difference to anyone’s weekly shop. The scaremongering of financial apocalypse is comical, mostly fuelled by those with a vested financial interest in remain :unamused:

That is 44 old chap.

Now add a few percentage points to that in tariffs and see how the UK economy would get on then, add an increase in interest rates to that, a devaluation in the pound and inflation on top and it sure isn’t looking so rosy anymore now is it.

Yeah right yet another Europhile bs propaganda scare tactic that the EU is going to kick off a trade war with a net importer of its products.Which we’d actually benefit from being that it’s been a case of British jobs for German workers since we joined the scam. :unamused: :laughing:

OVLOV JAY:

wheelnutt:
Here is another undisputed fact for you, wages in the UK have more than doubled since 1973, adjusted for inflation. Of course that is another fact you won’t like.

And housing has risen 8 fold in the same time, so clearly double isn’t enough to keep pace with the cost of living, which underpins the argument on the eu keeping wages low, while its inhabitants go cap in hand asking “please sir, can I have more?”

Wages will go through the floor on a Brexit and yes house prices will crash, but as interest will have to go up, it won’t be any more affordable, on the contrary, couple it with increase inflation and nobody under 100k a year can afford a mortgage, 1,000’s of houses will be repossessed as home owners are into negative equity and thousands more as home owners can’t afford the increase mortgage repayments that go with it.

Carryfast:

wheelnutt:

OVLOV JAY:
13% of our gdp relies on eu trade. That’s not enough to make a noticeable difference to anyone’s weekly shop. The scaremongering of financial apocalypse is comical, mostly fuelled by those with a vested financial interest in remain :unamused:

That is 44 old chap.

Now add a few percentage points to that in tariffs and see how the UK economy would get on then, add an increase in interest rates to that, a devaluation in the pound and inflation on top and it sure isn’t looking so rosy anymore now is it.

Yeah right yet another Europhile bs propaganda scare tactic that the EU is going to kick off a trade war with a net importer of its products.Which we’d actually benefit from being that it’s been a case of British jobs for German workers since we joined the scam. :unamused: :laughing:

I am not the one to scare monger, I post facts, you on the other hand…