OVLOV JAY:
wheelnutt:
Here is another undisputed fact for you, wages in the UK have more than doubled since 1973, adjusted for inflation. Of course that is another fact you won’t like.
And housing has risen 8 fold in the same time, so clearly double isn’t enough to keep pace with the cost of living, which underpins the argument on the eu keeping wages low, while its inhabitants go cap in hand asking “please sir, can I have more?”
It’s clear that the inflation figures,like unemployment figures,aren’t worth the paper they are written on.Especially when they are written by successive Europhile governments since Heath took us into it.
Carryfast:
No we’ve got the facts of where the country stood in 1972 v now in terms of just about any economic figure that matters.
Leaving the EU isn’t going to take us back to your “golden era” of the 1960’s, if you want to convince people tell them what the future hold out of the EU, not hankering for some rose tinted past that isn’t going to come back, the World has moved on and if the UK is to thrive out of the EU it has to thrive in the World of Today and tomorrow.
wheelnutt:
Carryfast:
wheelnutt:
OVLOV JAY:
13% of our gdp relies on eu trade. That’s not enough to make a noticeable difference to anyone’s weekly shop. The scaremongering of financial apocalypse is comical, mostly fuelled by those with a vested financial interest in remain 
That is 44 old chap.
Now add a few percentage points to that in tariffs and see how the UK economy would get on then, add an increase in interest rates to that, a devaluation in the pound and inflation on top and it sure isn’t looking so rosy anymore now is it.
Yeah right yet another Europhile bs propaganda scare tactic that the EU is going to kick off a trade war with a net importer of its products.Which we’d actually benefit from being that it’s been a case of British jobs for German workers since we joined the scam. 
I am not the one to scare monger, I post facts, you on the other hand…
Great so feel free to explain the economics of how trade would supposedly suffer from Brexit.Bearing in mind that we are a net importer of EU products.Your whole case in that regard is based on the bs lie that they would want to kick off a trade war that would hurt them more than us.While at best you’re saying let’s stay with a zb Federal project that imposes sanctions against any dissent/secession.
wheelnutt:
OVLOV JAY:
13% of our gdp relies on eu trade. That’s not enough to make a noticeable difference to anyone’s weekly shop. The scaremongering of financial apocalypse is comical, mostly fuelled by those with a vested financial interest in remain
That is 44 old chap.
Now add a few percentage points to that in tariffs and see how the UK economy would get on then, add an increase in interest rates to that, a devaluation in the pound and inflation on top and it sure isn’t looking so rosy anymore now is it.
44% is fdi for exports, where you didn’t mention the 56% for imports, and neither is a gdp figure. Scaremonger all you like, you haven’t got an office in Brussels have you?
OVLOV JAY:
13% of our gdp relies on eu trade. That’s not enough to make a noticeable difference to anyone’s weekly shop. The scaremongering of financial apocalypse is comical, mostly fuelled by those with a vested financial interest in remain
You box jockeys will be hit first and the worst on a Brexit, expect some serious culls in your field. Vote to leave and you vote your own job at jeopardy.
At least you will feel good…
wheelnutt:
OVLOV JAY:
13% of our gdp relies on eu trade. That’s not enough to make a noticeable difference to anyone’s weekly shop. The scaremongering of financial apocalypse is comical, mostly fuelled by those with a vested financial interest in remain
You box jockeys will be hit first and the worst on a Brexit, expect some serious culls in your field. Vote to leave and you vote your own job at jeopardy.
At least you will feel good…
Hahahahaha all our work is in and out of China, so once again, keep on scaremongering. I’m not the turkey voting for christmas
OVLOV JAY:
wheelnutt:
OVLOV JAY:
13% of our gdp relies on eu trade. That’s not enough to make a noticeable difference to anyone’s weekly shop. The scaremongering of financial apocalypse is comical, mostly fuelled by those with a vested financial interest in remain
That is 44 old chap.
Now add a few percentage points to that in tariffs and see how the UK economy would get on then, add an increase in interest rates to that, a devaluation in the pound and inflation on top and it sure isn’t looking so rosy anymore now is it.
44% is fdi for exports, where you didn’t mention the 56% for imports, and neither is a gdp figure. Scaremonger all you like, you haven’t got an office in Brussels have you?
The export is manufacturing/services etc. Actual British people crafting to make/create something to sell, the imports are mainly raw materials and Chinese tat.
Now lets hit that export by a few points, just a few. How do you reckon that translates into employment and disposable income? How much of that Chinese tat will still hit our shores? Now lets look at that tat in the light of a devaluation in the pound, we have seen it already in the last few weeks, the Chinese will get that much less for selling it over here and the prices in the shops will increase. That is a double whammy.
We can’t sell as many exports as we get less money for it and we are hit with a few percentage points in WTO tariffs as the Brexit campaign advocates and we will buy less from them and what we do buy is more expensive.
How is that economic model going to work for YOU?
OVLOV JAY:
wheelnutt:
OVLOV JAY:
13% of our gdp relies on eu trade. That’s not enough to make a noticeable difference to anyone’s weekly shop. The scaremongering of financial apocalypse is comical, mostly fuelled by those with a vested financial interest in remain
You box jockeys will be hit first and the worst on a Brexit, expect some serious culls in your field. Vote to leave and you vote your own job at jeopardy.
At least you will feel good…
Hahahahaha all our work is in and out of China, so once again, keep on scaremongering. I’m not the turkey voting for christmas
The China trade is going to get hit first and hardest. Seriously, are you that taken in with the Brexit loudmouths that you can’t see what you are voting for?
Very, very basic, the China trades will go down to a trickly old chap, you box jockeys will be hit the worst.
You are not voting for Christmas, you are voting to abolish it all together.
wheelnutt:
You box jockeys will be hit first and the worst on a Brexit, expect some serious culls in your field. Vote to leave and you vote your own job at jeopardy.
At least you will feel good…
They’d have more to worry about in the case of the removal of cabotage restrictions if we stay in that regard.
Carryfast:
wheelnutt:
You box jockeys will be hit first and the worst on a Brexit, expect some serious culls in your field. Vote to leave and you vote your own job at jeopardy.
At least you will feel good…
They’d have more to worry about in the case of the removal of cabotage restrictions if we stay in that regard.
They won’t, cabotage restrictions will mean nothing compared to the reduction of Chinese imports. Don’t dispel the facts here CF, the China trade will go down to a trickle and the box jockeys will get hit extremely hard.
I don’t really care one way or the other if box jockeys vote for Brexit as long as they understand the consequences to their particular field. As long as they are willing to give up their job and livelihood for a principle they should actually be commended.
Not many people are that principled. Imagine voluntarily giving up your job for something you believe in, no matter that that believe is misguided and has been misdirected by politicians with a personal agenda, it is still commendable… Or is it■■?
HHHMMMMmmmmm let me think…
wheelnutt:
OVLOV JAY:
wheelnutt:
OVLOV JAY:
13% of our gdp relies on eu trade. That’s not enough to make a noticeable difference to anyone’s weekly shop. The scaremongering of financial apocalypse is comical, mostly fuelled by those with a vested financial interest in remain
That is 44 old chap.
Now add a few percentage points to that in tariffs and see how the UK economy would get on then, add an increase in interest rates to that, a devaluation in the pound and inflation on top and it sure isn’t looking so rosy anymore now is it.
44% is fdi for exports, where you didn’t mention the 56% for imports, and neither is a gdp figure. Scaremonger all you like, you haven’t got an office in Brussels have you?
The export is manufacturing/services etc. Actual British people crafting to make/create something to sell, the imports are mainly raw materials and Chinese tat.
Now lets hit that export by a few points, just a few. How do you reckon that translates into employment and disposable income? How much of that Chinese tat will still hit our shores? Now lets look at that tat in the light of a devaluation in the pound, we have seen it already in the last few weeks, the Chinese will get that much less for selling it over here and the prices in the shops will increase. That is a double whammy.
We can’t sell as many exports as we get less money for it and we are hit with a few percentage points in WTO tariffs as the Brexit campaign advocates and we will buy less from them and what we do buy is more expensive.
How is that economic model going to work for YOU?
If it’s all about making stuff then we’ve already been turned into an assembly operation of EU manufactured components.From Rolls Royce cars to DAF trucks.
On that note maybe you could explain the difference in the fortunes of German v Brit steel industry.Or for that matter the difference between Ford or Vauxhall’s Dagenham and Luton plants in 1972 v now.IE in all cases a massive net loss of jobs to EU manufacturing plants at the expense of ours.In which case which part of we’d actually benefit from ‘less’ trade with the EU don’t you understand.More like don’t want to understand.
wheelnutt:
Carryfast:
wheelnutt:
You box jockeys will be hit first and the worst on a Brexit, expect some serious culls in your field. Vote to leave and you vote your own job at jeopardy.
At least you will feel good…
They’d have more to worry about in the case of the removal of cabotage restrictions if we stay in that regard.
They won’t, cabotage restrictions will mean nothing compared to the reduction of Chinese imports. Don’t dispel the facts here CF, the China trade will go down to a trickle and the box jockeys will get hit extremely hard.
I don’t really care one way or the other if box jockeys vote for Brexit as long as they understand the consequences to their particular field. As long as they are willing to give up their job and livelihood for a principle they should actually be commended.
Not many people are that principled. Imagine voluntarily giving up your job for something you believe in, no matter that that believe is misguided and has been misdirected by politicians with a personal agenda, it is still commendable… Or is it■■?
HHHMMMMmmmmm let me think…
Let me guess you really think that our massive trade deficits with both China and the EU are both a good thing and sustainable in the longer term.Feel free to explain how that deficit is paid for.
Although you’ve not actually explained exactly how trade with China is dependent on EU membership.
We are not a manufacturing industrial nation and haven’t been for decades. We moved on, you may not have noticed but 76% of our economy is service driven and that is only growing with manufacturing shrinking year after year.
Do you really think that voting for Brexit will bring back the 50’s and we become a manufacturing nation again? That will never happen, with or without the EU.
Carryfast:
wheelnutt:
Carryfast:
wheelnutt:
You box jockeys will be hit first and the worst on a Brexit, expect some serious culls in your field. Vote to leave and you vote your own job at jeopardy.
At least you will feel good…
They’d have more to worry about in the case of the removal of cabotage restrictions if we stay in that regard.
They won’t, cabotage restrictions will mean nothing compared to the reduction of Chinese imports. Don’t dispel the facts here CF, the China trade will go down to a trickle and the box jockeys will get hit extremely hard.
I don’t really care one way or the other if box jockeys vote for Brexit as long as they understand the consequences to their particular field. As long as they are willing to give up their job and livelihood for a principle they should actually be commended.
Not many people are that principled. Imagine voluntarily giving up your job for something you believe in, no matter that that believe is misguided and has been misdirected by politicians with a personal agenda, it is still commendable… Or is it■■?
HHHMMMMmmmmm let me think…
Let me guess you really think that our massive trade deficits with both China and the EU are both a good thing and sustainable in the longer term.Feel free to explain how that deficit is paid for.
That is exactly what I want to happen and what is going to happen, we are not a 1950s industrial manufacturing society, we have moved on.
Why would I want to go back to that? We are a service driven nation and are doing very well at it. We haven’t had it this good.
I don’t know why you keep harping on about taking us back to the 1950s with people working in appalling conditions for crap pay doing a horrible back breaking job.
I am not interested in going back to that and so is just about everybody here except for you.
I really don’t get it, what was so good about the 1950s/60s.
Who are you, a union rep who misses the power he had back then and would rather see us all suffer so you can live those days again for a bit?
Go pull the other one.
You come in here spouting BS, ignoring all the facts and try to get hardworking guys like OJ to vote for Brexit so he will lose his job and you get your way.
You are as bad as some of these guys in the Brexit campaign trying to convince others of your cause by telling them that immigrants are to blame for everything so you can end up doing well out of it instead of defending the common good.
wheelnutt:
We are not a manufacturing industrial nation and haven’t been for decades. We moved on, you may not have noticed but 76% of our economy is service driven and that is only growing with manufacturing shrinking year after year.
Do you really think that voting for Brexit will bring back the 50’s and we become a manufacturing nation again? That will never happen, with or without the EU.
Let’s get this right.You’re moaning about our trillions £’s National Debt.While also saying that the massive trade deficit and under employment of the labour force caused by the loss of our manufacturing industry ( since 1972 ),in large part caused by our EU membership including our net EU contributions, that’s causing it,are all a good thing.
On that note the German model shows that there’s something wrong with your economic model.IE EU good for Germany but obviously bad for us.Are you sure you’re not working for the zb Germans. 
Carryfast:
wheelnutt:
We are not a manufacturing industrial nation and haven’t been for decades. We moved on, you may not have noticed but 76% of our economy is service driven and that is only growing with manufacturing shrinking year after year.
Do you really think that voting for Brexit will bring back the 50’s and we become a manufacturing nation again? That will never happen, with or without the EU.
Let’s get this right.You’re moaning about our trillions £’s National Debt.While also saying that the massive trade deficit and under employment of the labour force caused by the loss of our manufacturing industry ( since 1972 ),in large part caused by our EU membership including our net EU contributions, that’s causing it,are all a good thing.
On that note the German model shows that there’s something wrong with your economic model.IE EU good for Germany but obviously bad for us.Are you sure you’re not working for the zb Germans.
A little googling is a dangerous thing there CF.
I would be really disgusted if you managed to swing any voters here to your lost cause so you can make a bit of money out of it somehow. You a union rep that will drag out any redundancy process for your own gain? You counting on being part of the Brexit government that wants to erode worker’s rights so you can charge for your time as part of the union negotiation team?
You ticked of that the services industry does not enjoy the same union representation as the manufacturing industry once did? Is that why you want to back to the 50s?
As a “leaver” you are saying that the path we have taken as a nation since the 1970’s is all wrong and we would have been better off if we hadn’t made that choice and stayed with the industry we had before then.
I am proud of where we are today and what we have achieved as a nation and I for one don’t want to go back to what we were before we joined the EU.
Yes some of it is crap, yes some of it has to change, the last thing I want is throw away what we all collectively have worked for in the latter half of the last century and go back to what we were in the first half.
Thanks but no thanks.
wheelnutt:
Carryfast:
Let me guess you really think that our massive trade deficits with both China and the EU are both a good thing and sustainable in the longer term.Feel free to explain how that deficit is paid for.
That is exactly what I want to happen and what is going to happen, we are not a 1950s industrial manufacturing society, we have moved on.
Why would I want to go back to that? We are a service driven nation and are doing very well at it. We haven’t had it this good.
I don’t know why you keep harping on about taking us back to the 1950s with people working in appalling conditions for crap pay doing a horrible back breaking job.
I am not interested in going back to that and so is just about everybody here except for you.
Wasn’t it you who posted the reference to our massive national debt in the triillions.In which case how is it that your bs economic model is such a failure compared to that of Germany.Oh wait Germany hasn’t slaughtered its manufacturing sector on some bs de industrialisation crusade.Here’s a clue serving burgers and clerical work doesn’t pay for imported BMW’s and Mercs.As Greece found out.Although if only those with your ideas had been around in 1920 by transferring all of Northern Ireland’s industry to the South.
Oh no, now the Chinese won’t sell us goods either. June 24th will be like an episode of lost. Everyone will be out of work and starving, praying to come back like a cheating ex. “We didn’t mean it Angie, please give us another chance”. We’ll all be eating immigrants and drinking our own ■■■■, trying to survive until we can hijack the first load of kangaroo meat sent from the commonwealth. But the mad max style behaviour will serve as good training for when Angie sends the jack boots in to rename is West Germany. Quick, grab the postie and change your votes lads 
wheelnutt:
Carryfast:
wheelnutt:
We are not a manufacturing industrial nation and haven’t been for decades. We moved on, you may not have noticed but 76% of our economy is service driven and that is only growing with manufacturing shrinking year after year.
Do you really think that voting for Brexit will bring back the 50’s and we become a manufacturing nation again? That will never happen, with or without the EU.
Let’s get this right.You’re moaning about our trillions £’s National Debt.While also saying that the massive trade deficit and under employment of the labour force caused by the loss of our manufacturing industry ( since 1972 ),in large part caused by our EU membership including our net EU contributions, that’s causing it,are all a good thing.
On that note the German model shows that there’s something wrong with your economic model.IE EU good for Germany but obviously bad for us.Are you sure you’re not working for the zb Germans.
A little googling is a dangerous thing there CF.
I would be really disgusted if you managed to swing any voters here to your lost cause so you can make a bit of money out of it somehow. You a union rep that will drag out any redundancy process for your own gain? You counting on being part of the Brexit government that wants to erode worker’s rights so you can charge for your time as part of the union negotiation team?
You ticked of that the services industry does not enjoy the same union representation as the manufacturing industry once did? Is that why you want to back to the 50s?
As a “leaver” you are saying that the path we have taken as a nation since the 1970’s is all wrong and we would have been better off if we hadn’t made that choice and stayed with the industry we had before then.
I am proud of where we are today and what we have achieved as a nation and I for one don’t want to go back to what we were before we joined the EU.
Yes some of it is crap, yes some of it has to change, the last thing I want is throw away what we all collectively have worked for in the latter half of the last century and go back to what we were in the first half.
Thanks but no thanks.
I don’t need to say anything.Your whole bs idea should be doing more to sway the Labour vote that Shore had it right not Callaghan or Healey or Blair than I ever could.Yes 1972 was a great place to be for the British working class as opposed to 1984 on.
So there you have it vote remain and get British jobs for German workers and service sector jobs for East Euro and soon Turkish immigrants.Together with crushed trade unions.As for the road transport industry see above.