i wouldnt pass the 2 o level bits never mind the extra 3 harry, 
mmmh good one harry but one for you to think over?, one of us runs a down hill kettle boiling racer, and the other one wouldnt have one of them things in the yard, so which is which or who is who
yes and one is a respectable international haulier
and the other is Globby
lee hawke:
yes and one is a respectable international haulier
and the other is Globby
[/quotegordon bennett, have you heard the dole not coal, he has bought a clapped out 19 nortblog euroliner with 3 boards inside it and a GB sticker on the back door and the he thinks hes a international haulier, wales isnt international hawkster, mind you i guess it will be when you are traveling there in a down hill kettle boiling
and what you smiling/laffing at
CPT CHUBBS!!!
globby 480:
my pennies worth, i think what lee is saying and i agree with him, drivers “” NOT ALL drivers “”, don’t give a flying [zb] about equipment given to them be it a clipboard to a truck,
i have seen it all to often you get a driver who thinks he is Stirling moss in a company truck driving them like a complete ■■■ yes or no!!
That bit I agree with too. Burnouts and doughnuts in a truck, whether company owned or owner driven are just plain stupid. Accidents and incidents can happen. I knocked 2 cargo compressors off while driving tankers, one was a chassis mounted belt driven unit which I caught when I turned after picking a new trailer up. The other was a Peabody Holmes powder blower that dug into the trailer twistlock as I reversed around a tight corner to reach a silo, both my fault but both counted as accidents because of the design or fitment of the units and the lay of the land.
Other “accidents” have been less expensive, but never the less. I learned from them all and was never charged by a company or an owner driver for the resulting damage.
The bloke who has never done any damage or cost a company money hasn’t started driving yet 
globby 480:
one thing what is a true statement THERE ISNT SUCH THING AS A ACCIDENT"" ACCIDENTS ARE CAUSED!! THROUGH 99.9% of the times by neglect.
If there are no such things as accidents how can they be “CAUSED”■■
All accidents are caused, but not always by things within your control, so the statement is meaningless.
I would say the 99.9% is a figure you just picked out of thin air, where do you get your statistics from?
I am driving down a road and a deer comes flying out of the undergrowth, I swerve to avoid it coming through my wind screen and killing me, but then hit a car coming the other way, Would I have to pay for the damage? in fact would I have to pay for the damage if the deer hit me and I lived?
I am driving up a road and a kid comes out of nowhere and runs into my path, I brake, but realise I will not stop before hitting them, my options are
1, hit the kid, minimal damage to vehicle
2, swerve and hit tree, lots of damage to vehicle,
3, swerve into oncoming traffic, lots of damage to lots of vehicles.
If I am going to have to pay for the damage option 1 would be the right choice, but in all honesty I would go for option 2.
I could probably think of hundreds of scenarios where there is damage that your own insurance would have to pay out on even where your driver is not at fault.
People make mistakes. An accident is still an accident even it caused by lack of concentration etc. The definition of an accident is an unfortunate mishap. I’m all for accident bonuses but docking wages for a period of time is unacceptable. Thankfully the company I work for is great in that respect. I’ve had two accidents since I’ve been here, both in Rungis. One minor and one where I ran over a large curb and smashed the truck to pieces at 2am. The good thing about them is they are drivers who built the company up themselves so know all about what can happen. The boss just laughed and said ‘better not send you there again’ followed by ‘your loading Monday in Manchester for Crete’! So all in all a bit of a result, only been back to Rungis once since!
jimti:
globby 480:
one thing what is a true statement THERE ISNT SUCH THING AS A ACCIDENT"" ACCIDENTS ARE CAUSED!! THROUGH 99.9% of the times by neglect.If there are no such things as accidents how can they be “CAUSED”■■
All accidents are caused, but not always by things within your control, so the statement is meaningless.
I would say the 99.9% is a figure you just picked out of thin air, where do you get your statistics from?I am driving down a road and a deer comes flying out of the undergrowth, I swerve to avoid it coming through my wind screen and killing me, but then hit a car coming the other way, Would I have to pay for the damage? in fact would I have to pay for the damage if the deer hit me and I lived?
I am driving up a road and a kid comes out of nowhere and runs into my path, I brake, but realise I will not stop before hitting them, my options are
1, hit the kid, minimal damage to vehicle
2, swerve and hit tree, lots of damage to vehicle,
3, swerve into oncoming traffic, lots of damage to lots of vehicles.If I am going to have to pay for the damage option 1 would be the right choice, but in all honesty I would go for option 2.
I could probably think of hundreds of scenarios where there is damage that your own insurance would have to pay out on even where your driver is not at fault.
we arnt going on about animals coming through the window are we if you care to read it right, is backing over a pin a accident NO! is ripping of air lines a accident NO! is ripping landing legs of a trailer a aciddent NO!! firstly you forgot to take the lines off or forgot to whind the legs up due to rushing around yes or no!! YES if you wasnt rushing you wouldnt have forgot to do so would you, as for backing over a pin if you got your lardy arse out of the seat and checked the height you wouldnt shoot the pin would you i think not! so as far as accident are caused they are arnt they 99.9% by accidents i mean the above not animals or a old lady having a heart attack in her rolls royce and heading for the front of your motor at 120mph, that is a act of god so to speak,
there is a big diffrence from stupidit and a animal running out in front of you, which it is due to racing round trying to catch ya mates up or make the cafe or get home
as wheelnut said he ripped of 2 compressers mostly down to design fault he didnt forget to take the discarge pipe of and rip it off did he,
why should a company keep forking out for your own stupidity and neglect as that is what it boils down to
Good grief Globby old chap calm down, and get yourself a dictionary. An Accident is an unfortunate mishap (well thats the top definition which is the one I’m going with), which means exactly what it says, a mishap, for whatever reason, no blame implied either way. Now if a driver intentionally goes out to do damage on purpose then what is willful damage and not an accident but I don’t think may drivers do it on purpose. I know when I have an ACCIDENT I’m so angry and annoyed with myself, when I smashed my lovely truck up in Rungis I felt like crying!
switchlogic:
Good grief Globby old chap calm down, and get yourself a dictionary. An Accident is an unfortunate mishap (well thats the top definition which is the one I’m going with), which means exactly what it says, a mishap, for whatever reason, no blame implied either way. Now if a driver intentionally goes out to do damage on purpose then what is willful damage and not an accident but I don’t think may drivers do it on purpose. I know when I have an ACCIDENT I’m so angry and annoyed with myself, when I smashed my lovely truck up in Rungis I felt like crying!
Well, yes, everybody makes a mistake at work from time to time. Not many people have the cost of the mistake deducted from their wages. I personally don’t have to pay when I occasionally cause accidental damage to my employer’s tackle, aas we all do from time to time, and I imagine that this is the norm.
I am hearing more horror stories about SMS by the day. Apparently it’s quite normal for SMS to make you take a 24 off in Belgium after loading on a Friday and then do six shifts, when it would make no operational difference to get you home for Sunday.
It beggars belief that possibly the least attractive firm in Kent to work for is the only one to require you to have 5 “O” levels. Whoever runs it is obviously on some recession-based power kick. 
switchlogic:
Good grief Globby old chap calm down, and get yourself a dictionary. An Accident is an unfortunate mishap (well thats the top definition which is the one I’m going with), which means exactly what it says, a mishap, for whatever reason, no blame implied either way. Now if a driver intentionally goes out to do damage on purpose then what is willful damage and not an accident but I don’t think may drivers do it on purpose. I know when I have an ACCIDENT I’m so angry and annoyed with myself, when I smashed my lovely truck up in Rungis I felt like crying!
i dont need a dictionary, switch, i know what a accident is the same as you, an “unfortunate mishap” isnt caused by backing over a trl pin or ripping air lines of because you forgot to un plug em,that isnt a mishap its carelessness and if you read youre oxford dictionary you seem to have in front of you switch…carelessness doesnt come under any subsection of accident!! this is what i am saying 99% of this so called unfortunate mishaps as you rightly state arnt unfortunate mishaps, they are avoidable from the start so if they are avoidable it isnt a accident is it they are caused■■?
globby 480:
switchlogic:
Good grief Globby old chap calm down, and get yourself a dictionary. An Accident is an unfortunate mishap (well thats the top definition which is the one I’m going with), which means exactly what it says, a mishap, for whatever reason, no blame implied either way. Now if a driver intentionally goes out to do damage on purpose then what is willful damage and not an accident but I don’t think may drivers do it on purpose. I know when I have an ACCIDENT I’m so angry and annoyed with myself, when I smashed my lovely truck up in Rungis I felt like crying!i dont need a dictionary, switch, i know what a accident is the same as you, an “unfortunate mishap” isnt caused by backing over a trl pin or ripping air lines of because you forgot to un plug em,that isnt a mishap its carelessness and if you read youre oxford dictionary you seem to have in front of you switch…carelessness doesnt come under any subsection of accident!! this is what i am saying 99% of this so called unfortunate mishaps as you rightly state arnt unfortunate mishaps, they are avoidable from the start so if they are avoidable it isnt a accident is it they are caused■■?
Ok have it your way but your missing my point. What do you say to an insurance company when you ring them ‘I need to make a claim, one of my drivers has had a stupidity related incident’? You dont seem to have a word to replace accident. Using the word accident is perfectly acceptable, ‘sorry boss I’ve had an accident, it was my fault’ is a correct use of the word.
Also where do you pluck this daft 99% figure from, some scientific study you’ve done?! I notice it was 99.9% in an earlier post, thats quite a drop in a couple of days.
And finally I’m glad I dont work for you! You seem to imply from your posts that you’ve never made a mistake in your entire life and therefore don’t understand when drivers do.
globby 480:
there is a big diffrence from stupidity and a animal running out in front of you, which it is due to racing round trying to catch ya mates up or make the cafe or get homewhy should a company keep forking out for your own stupidity and neglect as that is what it boils down to
Funny thing is every time I have had to rush about is because of the BOSS giving me impossible schedules or phoning me hassling me to get to such and such because someone in the office has ■■■■■■ up.
You seem to have a very low impression of drivers in general,
globby 480:
90% of driver try there hardest not to do damage, but what do they teach drivers esp when learning to driver lgv"s … reverse up to trailer get out and check height of trailer and unit yes or no?? and again 95% of drivers dont do this through sheer lazyness
I always thought the company disciplinary procedures were for neglect accidents, first one you get a warning letter, second one you loose your job.
If I had a job where I had to pay for my own accidents I would think it would be as an owner driver
jimti:
globby 480:
there is a big diffrence from stupidity and a animal running out in front of you, which it is due to racing round trying to catch ya mates up or make the cafe or get homewhy should a company keep forking out for your own stupidity and neglect as that is what it boils down to
Funny thing is every time I have had to rush about is because of the BOSS giving me impossible schedules or phoning me hassling me to get to such and such because someone in the office has [zb] up.
You seem to have a very low impression of drivers in general,globby 480:
90% of driver try there hardest not to do damage, but what do they teach drivers esp when learning to driver lgv"s … reverse up to trailer get out and check height of trailer and unit yes or no?? and again 95% of drivers dont do this through sheer lazynessI always thought the company disciplinary procedures were for neglect accidents, first one you get a warning letter, second one you loose your job.
If I had a job where I had to pay for my own accidents I would think it would be as an owner driver
no jimit, i dont have a low impression of drivers in anyway at all, lets start from the begining yer, driver shoots pin and causes £1,500 of damage is this right so far, lee hawke reply"d same as sms they do right in making him/her pay yes? i agree aswell you are a driver yes? and how do you do damage you have already reply"d basically with your answer “my BOSS MAKES ME RUSH ETC” hence damage is caused do you agree with me? on that rushing round causes damage air lines, legs etc some so called accidents, i think you may have got the pitcure now through rushing around like a idiot!! you rush round thinking you are saving time and in the long run that extra 2 mins you think your saving backfires and costs you a extra hr oh through no fault of your own tho,
your a BIG boy arnt you and have a tounge in your head, as basically with your replys to this it seems you have, so are you to scared to go about your normal daily duties at a normal pace in stead of rushing around and then doing damage “figure of speech”, this is how the word accident in this thread is caused really through rushing round trying to make a extra few minutes up so is there any point. if your boss tells you to jump of a cliff would you, some how i doubt it, so i think you have answerd your own debate to my replys on this which i have said from the start rushing causes accident …hence accident are caused!! through neglect to cary out your duties to the max as if you did “not you but any driver” you wouldnt have caused the damage in the first place,
everyone uses the word accident granted but when you look at the big pitcure as in this thread it was caused through neglect from the driver for not doing his dutie corrctly, if a doctor left a scalpel in your leg would that be a accident yes of course it would!!! its neglect and you would be seeking compo for that, its only the same a driver has a dutie to carry out to his best ability you have been trained to do so same as a doctor etc, apart from the doctor is on a damm sight more than us lot!!
Except the doctor who left the scalpel inside wouldn’t have to pay the compensation, his employers would and they are insured for things like that, whether they are called accidents, neglect or plain stupidity.
So there is a similarity between the NHS and Haulage
Hi,
Just out of curiosity… if you got back to the yard on friday and noticed that your car had been hit with the forklift, not major damage, just a scratch, would you expect the boss to foot the bill or would the same “these things happen” atttitude apply…
I,ve had guys do damage but cant once remember one of them saying sorry…
Lrm
narr its a accident LRM?? surely they wouldnt want the boss to pay after all its only a "slight mishap/blip in the forklifts driving and responsibilitys thats all, and its only a drivers car so why would you expect the boss to foot the damage, after all its only metal!!!
LRM:
Hi,Just out of curiosity… if you got back to the yard on friday and noticed that your car had been hit with the forklift, not major damage, just a scratch, would you expect the boss to foot the bill or would the same “these things happen” atttitude apply…
I,ve had guys do damage but cant once remember one of them saying sorry…
Lrm
LRM i totaly agrre with you 100% if you as the boss said to the driver of the the damaged car you pay insurance dont you .
I Wonder how that would go down when the boot is on the other foot
Harry Monk:
Somebody started a thread about this company, asking what they are like to work for, but the thread was moved, and cannot be replied to.I don’t want to see anyone come to grief so I will just say that SMS make you sign a contract agreeing to pay for any damage caused and a driver was recently stopped £1500 when he over-ran the pin and hit the rear of his cab with a fridge motor. If that’s the type of firm you want to work for…
well he wont make that mistake again will he…who does he expect to pay for his damage ■■ the company ? insurance ?
the problem with many drivers today is that they do damage and dont give a stuff about it, their attitude is “not my kit so not my problem, its insured”. Insurance is costly and every claim only pumps up the premiums.
Granted , accidents do happen, but what he did there that was just pure carelessness.