DAFMAD:
I thought we went to work to earn, not to pay for the company expanses out of our pittance
You do but you dont go and damage , through carelessness, somebodys 70 grand motor and expect them to pay for it do you ?
globby 480:
jimti:
globby 480:
there is a big diffrence from stupidity and a animal running out in front of you, which it is due to racing round trying to catch ya mates up or make the cafe or get homewhy should a company keep forking out for your own stupidity and neglect as that is what it boils down to
Funny thing is every time I have had to rush about is because of the BOSS giving me impossible schedules or phoning me hassling me to get to such and such because someone in the office has [zb] up.
You seem to have a very low impression of drivers in general,globby 480:
90% of driver try there hardest not to do damage, but what do they teach drivers esp when learning to driver lgv"s … reverse up to trailer get out and check height of trailer and unit yes or no?? and again 95% of drivers dont do this through sheer lazynessI always thought the company disciplinary procedures were for neglect accidents, first one you get a warning letter, second one you loose your job.
If I had a job where I had to pay for my own accidents I would think it would be as an owner driverno jimit, i dont have a low impression of drivers in anyway at all, lets start from the begining yer, driver shoots pin and causes £1,500 of damage is this right so far, lee hawke reply"d same as sms they do right in making him/her pay yes? i agree aswell you are a driver yes? and how do you do damage you have already reply"d basically with your answer “my BOSS MAKES ME RUSH ETC” hence damage is caused do you agree with me? on that rushing round causes damage air lines, legs etc some so called accidents, i think you may have got the pitcure now through rushing around like a idiot!! you rush round thinking you are saving time and in the long run that extra 2 mins you think your saving backfires and costs you a extra hr oh through no fault of your own tho,
your a BIG boy arnt you and have a tounge in your head, as basically with your replys to this it seems you have, so are you to scared to go about your normal daily duties at a normal pace in stead of rushing around and then doing damage “figure of speech”, this is how the word accident in this thread is caused really through rushing round trying to make a extra few minutes up so is there any point. if your boss tells you to jump of a cliff would you, some how i doubt it, so i think you have answerd your own debate to my replys on this which i have said from the start rushing causes accident …hence accident are caused!! through neglect to cary out your duties to the max as if you did “not you but any driver” you wouldnt have caused the damage in the first place,
everyone uses the word accident granted but when you look at the big pitcure as in this thread it was caused through neglect from the driver for not doing his dutie corrctly, if a doctor left a scalpel in your leg would that be a accident yes of course it would!!! its neglect and you would be seeking compo for that, its only the same a driver has a dutie to carry out to his best ability you have been trained to do so same as a doctor etc, apart from the doctor is on a damm sight more than us lot!!
If I have managed to decipher these comments correctly you might not be ill advised to apply your own advice to yourself when writing answers to posts 
routier:
DAFMAD:
I thought we went to work to earn, not to pay for the company expanses out of our pittanceYou do but you dont go and damage , through carelessness, somebodys 70 grand motor and expect them to pay for it do you ?
Personally, I do.
I wouldn’t dream of having money docked from my wages if I damaged my truck, and frankly I’m amazed that anyone would.
Yup, I go along with Harry here, if they have a problem they can sack me, as long as they follow correct disciplinary procedures, if they don’t it will cost them more.
We are all only human and make mistakes, if a boss isn’t prepared for his employees making mistakes then he shouldn’t be employing staff, as it stands I haven’t done anything that has caused damage through mistakes yet, but if it did happen it would not have been on purpose and would only have happened whilst I was working so as an employee of a company the company are liable for my actions.
That is why we have insurance and that is why we have disciplinary procedures, the company has that so it can get rid of unsuitable drivers.
As we will all never agree on what drivers should have taken out of their wages this will be my last post on this thread, we will have to agree to disagree.
jimti:
if it did happen it would not have been on purpose and would only have happened whilst I was working so as an employee of a company the company are liable for my actions…
Oh dear, so for example, the company who employed that Portuguese driver who wiped out an entire family on the M6, they were responsible for his actions ?
God help the company you work for.
Harry Monk:
routier:
DAFMAD:
I thought we went to work to earn, not to pay for the company expanses out of our pittanceYou do but you dont go and damage , through carelessness, somebodys 70 grand motor and expect them to pay for it do you ?
Personally, I do.
I wouldn’t dream of having money docked from my wages if I damaged my truck, and frankly I’m amazed that anyone would.
Why dont you ask for your boss’ perspective on the matter ?
routier:
Why dont you ask for your boss’ perspective on the matter ?
After nine years working for him, I know what his perspective is. It is that errors are inevitable in any job, and the cost of any driver error is an expense to be borne by the company. I think you’ll find most firms are like that.
Hi,
Routier, the example i give about the forklift was just a “what if” senario, just to put accross my point of veiw as a small haulier, i have seen drivers park the wagons up on a friday night and shoot of home, leaving scrapes and dents unreported…
harry, i can see it from your point, i personaly wouldnt dream of docking my lads wages, however the “sod it its insured” attitude is hard to bear, ive seen me on a saturday afternoon fixing some damage in howling rain while the driver is sitting in the pub not giving a monkeys, believe me , it is bloody soul destroying. Drivers like yourself that care about the job are few and far between, nowadays its all about how much for how little, the “fair days work for a fair days pay” type of driver is sadly few and far between, that said the 3 that work for me are 3 of the old skool, maybe not the most bonny to look at but never the less bloody good lads…
On a lighter note you tube “mika, big girls, belfast edit, pure class”…
Lrm
i agree with globby and lee…we have to pay for enough never mind careless damage…by drivers that arnt arsed…
so apart from all that, what are they like regarding wages, who owns them, were do they run to, how long are u away, what trucks do they run, can u have a truck that,s not been smacked by the fridge ect ect, cheers tony s.
Be all and end all… “You pay peanuts You get monkeys” Decent pay = Decent drivers…and yes we can make mistakes at times as well. That’s why every company has insurance
Im sure i read an article in a truck magazine a few months ago and they said they employ mostly Eastern european drivers to compete on price with other firms in Europe (Which i interpreted as the wages are crap and you are probably treat the same) but i could be wrong 
but no one has been on as yet to defend them and surely someone on here drives for them or knows someone who does??
Ive seen a few Mercedes and also a lot of Renault Premiums which wouldnt be my first choice for european fridge work!! 
I have also heard that they will weekend you in Zeebrugge when it would make virtually no operational difference to get you home for the Sunday.
also they got some Polish Actros trucks and once saw a Polish SMS van
ganges boy:
so apart from all that, what are they like regarding wages, who owns them, were do they run to, how long are u away, what trucks do they run, can u have a truck that,s not been smacked by the fridge ect ect, cheers tony s.
You asked the question in another post, experienced drivers took the time to reply to you, yet you seem intent on ignoring them. You sound like the sort of driver SMS need… 
bedgar047:
That’s why every company has insurance
is Insurance free is it ? does it not go up when you have to make a claim ? do you not have to pay an excess ? yes insurance is compulsory, but Im certain every company would want to keep their premiums low and avoid needless claims.
routier:
bedgar047:
That’s why every company has insuranceis Insurance free is it ? does it not go up when you have to make a claim ? do you not have to pay an excess ? yes insurance is compulsory, but Im certain every company would want to keep their premiums low and avoid needless claims.
Ever been involved in an accident that wasn’t your fault but had no witnesses to prove that? It’s a legal requirement to have insurance therefore it’s part of the everyday cost of being in business and you factor that into your costs. 
I think that is the crux of the matter, an operator wants the profits but not the costs, they want the “look at me” glory while paying near minimum wages and then complain when someone makes a mistake, not all owner driven trucks are pristine show examples, some look like the dog lives in them!
You pay your insurance, you look after your trucks, if someone damages it you have a word, if they do it again, you write it down and let them keep a copy, if they are unfortunate to do it again, then you get your DCM
Next thing we will know is…Oh BTW you have to pay for your own truck Insurance By what some off you on here are saying.
Get a life. Insurance is a Cost factored into operational Costs sod all to do with the driver. Like Wheelnut says If he makes a ■■■■ up time an time again then the big DCM
I class myself along with a few others posting on this thread as a professional driver and in the 30 years driving HGV’s I think I have only ever had 2 claims against anyone’s Insurance.
I think we can all say the same, Insurance has nothing to do with the competent driver.
It comes back down too the same old story, MONEY = Quality
44 Tonne Ton:
routier:
bedgar047:
That’s why every company has insuranceis Insurance free is it ? does it not go up when you have to make a claim ? do you not have to pay an excess ? yes insurance is compulsory, but Im certain every company would want to keep their premiums low and avoid needless claims.
Ever been involved in an accident that wasn’t your fault but had no witnesses to prove that? It’s a legal requirement to have insurance therefore it’s part of the everyday cost of being in business and you factor that into your costs.
am not saying its not,… if you read the post properly, I stated needless claims, you either claim against yourself ( and reap the repecussions the following year) i.e ref the guy who overshot the pin and smashed the cab on a Fridge or pay for the damage yeself. When I had trucks, and no I didnt pay the minimum wage, one driver had 3 accidents in one yr, Id had enough, the last one was when the front of the cab was taken off, he wasnt arsed, it was his fault pulling out, truck was off the road for a month, covered on the insurance for repairs as i was fully comp, bt had an excess to pay and premiums went up the following year. At the time the Insurance company wouldnt pay for a replacement truck and there wasnt enough in the job to go an hire one. He still wanted paying wages but no truck = no work = no money generated and it was all his fault.
So you tell me where the money comes from to pay him ? I suspect, judging by the responses so far would be profit… so you tell me what you think a small hauliers profit is ?
For all you ( cant be aarsseedd)employed drivers, maybe ye all wanna try life from the other side of the coin to have any appreciation, theres a distinct bias of the employed and those who run their own, Im not talkin the big fleets here,say a company who only run , say 5, do the maths , cos their aint a lot of profit, if any, in it!