Should i help??

ok.

So i just write some brief of my opinion about this thread.

If you step out from all you agression based on some fairy tales and legends you will see, that poles at all aren’t so danger for you.

The most problem are this agencies who brings poor drivers from Poland here to drive for pennies - they arent good for them, as they pay them pennies, and they arent good for companies, as these drivers are bad, and they arent good for other drivers (no matter scottish or polish) who are already here, as they offering dumping prices.

It’s not true, that all polish drivers are worse - in my opinion to drive in Britain is even easier, as you have much better roads and very calm drivers and smaller traffic, as you are not a transit country. For me driving in Scotland is in most cases a pleasure. And is not true, that it’s easier to obtain driving license in Poland - we have the same European rules and classes (C, C+E etc) which you had introduced ten years ago from ages, and we have european standards as well.

It’s not true, that if you don’t working here you are ripping britain on taxes: if I came here and will not work, polish goverment will refund every costs or medical treatment to me on scottish goverment, exactly on the same rule, as when you are going abroad for holidays and you are taking your E111 with you. Of course if I am not insured in Poland, as I am not working there I will be in trouble when I’ll come back. And here no-one will register you to GP if yuo do not have yor NIN - you can only count on emergency treatment - perfectly as good as in Poland. My exapmle is perfect to show that: I had working here 23 months altogether and I am not able to get any benefits, altough I am in trouble caused by scottish company.

other facts: most of poles aren’t interested in putting wages down, as they are going on the same cart as you. I also prefer to earn 8 then 6 per hour.

benefits: they are some poles, who are coming here only to live on benefits, but as one of you told here: it’s only 2% of them compared to 30% of british people claiming benefits. So if your economy was good enaugh to put 30% of your society on benefits, this additional poeple who are paying taxes and everything here and only 2% of them claiming benefits must be nothing but profit for country’s budget.

About work: I had never problems to find a job here, even, when my english was much worse then now. So i somehow can’t see the problem: if some stranger can find job in less then 10 days everytime, when he is changing something in his career, why good, british, native driver can’t?

And last but not least: we joined EC, when we should be from ages, but due to historican things that wasn’t possible. Your goverment gave us right to work here (as many other countries) and many poles decided to catch this occasion and went here. As I was reading raports (in british papers) that made a profit for your country economy and big boost in many industries. So please, do not blame any particular polish (or czech) guy for that. It’s no reason to be rude to them. And you never know, maybe after 25 years your kids will be looking for work in Poland, as some brits already do?

And at the end: I am happy that I haven’t told nothing wrong enough to get a warning from Lucy, but if someone fell offended from one of my jokes, or simply mistakes in my english - sorry.

Post Scriptum:

Just found over internet:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/white/poles.shtml

I will hold my comments until I’ll see yours. But watch this movie to the end.

Kenny1975:
If England is so over run by Poles, leading to no jobs and crap wages, how come agencies are trying to get me to go work in the south of england for more money and putting me up in accomdation. Supposedly these places are desperate for drivers.

Other guys ive been working with up here been working down in England which seems to be finacially rewarding enough they can constantly travel back up here on there days off.

I think it comes down to some employers unwilling to pay a decent wage, in some cases greed in some cases operating costs soaring so can’t afford to pay decent wages.

Yes to plenty of work down south but only because i won’t work for crap rates paid by the same agencys down here in London.I have to live and pay Livingstones stupid taxes and i can’t and won’t and as long as there are others who will we’re all out of a job.
We cut our own throats never mind Czech or Polish drivers doing it :open_mouth:

Yeah ok Dessy, people i know think to themselves decide to leave their families and spend the week in the south east so they can get crap wages :stuck_out_tongue:

Guys were quoting £12p/h days maybe that is crap wages for London i don’t know.

oreys you are missing point people like me have worked since we left school and piad all our dues our stupid government lets any tom ■■■■ or harry in and gives them the same entitelment as me its not on unles you and your mates pay extra tax to make up the shortfall, we managed without you before we will do it again

Off course, that we are paying extra. We must work here for two years to get anything. We are paying fees to register in Home Office. And last not least: you are taking a lot of proffesionals (doctors, dentists, engineers etc) what haven’t cost you even penny, as polish goverment paid for their education. So I am not sure, who is missing the point.

And I would see that, if all poles are leaving UK how you will manage. :slight_smile: Without all this polish workers - from cleaners to doctors. And you even haven’t managed in the past - that’s why you used people from your colonies, and that’s why so much Pakistani people are here. Becouse your economy is growing too fast for you alone (and no wonder, as it have it’s roots in colonial system, when you were using natural sources and free labour from all around the world).

And one more question: Thousands of british people are buying properties abroad. They have money, as they are the richest people in Europe. But that makes house prices higher for locals. What about putting special taxes on Brits for example in France to make houses much more expensive for them?

Wake up! We are no longer in XIX century!

orys:
And one more question: Thousands of british people are buying properties abroad. They have money, as they are the richest people in Europe. But that makes house prices higher for locals. What about putting special taxes on Brits for example in France to make houses much more expensive for them?

Wake up! We are no longer in XIX century!

They are buying properties abroad because we have a booming economy fuelled by rising house prices, that are further increasing due to demand by EU migrants. We are not building enough to satisfy demand, thus keeping prices artificiallty high. Our own people can’t afford to get on the housing market never mind anyone else !!! Taxing Brits who buy abroad might be an idea how to level the playing field, just as paying a pound for a cauliflower instead of 60pencce or a yoghurt for 40 pence instead of 20 pence might level the playing field !!! Mind you, that might entail us growing Caulis or making yoghurts, and as well are all lazy that idea might not get off the ground !!

I was sure to get this answer. Taxing foreigners in britain - good. Taxing brits abroad - bad :wink: Nothing to add :slight_smile:

orys:
Post Scriptum:

Just found over internet:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/white/poles.shtml

I will hold my comments until I’ll see yours. But watch this movie to the end.

Good clip. Cant explain it other than us British are too lazy to do hard graft? I dunno.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/white/poles.shtml

this is link to the full movie. As far as I live here and know polish community and as I know, what’s going on in Poland it’s good movie.
And that gave me point of view of brits.

It’s worth to see.

And so,shall we get back to where the thread started. Would you help another driver? I would say that regardless of nationality, I would help a fellow trucker.
I do help other truckers, regardless of the nationality. Ok am a novice but a bit of assistance doesnt hurt, pointing them in the right direction.
Been caught out a few times abroad when on the vans, break-downs, lost or just looking lost! problems at customs on eastern bloc runs.

Was it a brit who stopped to offer assistance?

Nope!

I think we should remember that not ALL members of society are the same, just as not all truck drivers “TAILGATE” or “Drive DANGEROUSLY”

Yeah. I can tell you, that I helped one scottish driver yesterday. I was visiting place, where I was worked and there was some new driver, who’s now doing my job. He don’t knew tachograf symbols and he put tacho disc wrongly into machine…

He started at monday and he already crashed into transit van in the yard…

And that’s all about how bad polish drivers are and how good are british truckers. Off course he was a newbie, and everyone have to lern - when I first time seen electronic tachograf, i put the chart upside - down :wink: So please don’t divide driviers for “polish” and “british” but just for new and experienced, or just good and bad :wink:

Btw: How is that possible, that he is working 4 days in this company and he still don’t know tachograf simbols? There is big poster which explains all about tachograf in driver’s reception area… And haven’t he seen big T and triangle warning light on display?

yes id help another driver if he speaks english or if he doesnt my usual basil faulty interpertation :laughing: to explain the louder i speak the more theyll understand :laughing:
Turnip you posted youre aggreived that you were expected to help foreigners :laughing:
youve not had a pay rise for 3 years £6.80 an hour
weve got foreigners up here earining £ 10.00 an hour labouring on building sites plus timen a half after 40 hours :laughing:
is the problem the immigrants your boss or your (its my country i deserve syndrome) that makes you sit on your harris and get paid £6.80 an hour
get a grip muppet

Lets face it, us Brits have got it all wrong! We dont take action when its needed, we just agree with, should I say go along with what the government tell us. No use blaming the immigrants, blame the boss, the government or ourselves!
Put yourself in their position, you are willing to work hard for decent money, an employer in Holland is gonna offer you double what you get here, would you not take the opportunity? I think the belief that bosses are dropping wages because of immigration is a misguided belief, ok there may be some bosses doing it but on the whole I think alot of hysteria is being stirred up!
If it bothers you that much, get a bunch of your mates and do what the French are doing at calais. Stop everything til you get what you think you deserve.

We Brits have sat back and let this happen to us.

BTW how many brits do you know are willing to clean toilets for the minimum wage? Not saying thats what all immigrants do, but the ones that do, take pride in what they do, even if it means cleaning YOUR/OUR CRAP!

Get the BRITISH benefit scroungers, teen thugs etc off their arses and MAKE them do the menial jobs! Dont give them benefits unless they prove they are contributing to society.

At least the majority of immigrants who are working here are putting money back into our country, which is more than I can say for some of our fellow countrymen!

Clarky:
BTW how many brits do you know are willing to clean toilets for the minimum wage? Not saying thats what all immigrants do, but the ones that do, take pride in what they do, even if it means cleaning YOUR/OUR CRAP!

Thats was my first job in Glasgow. I was cleaning portable toilets for ten days. I think it’s nothing to be proud of, but it’s nothing to be ashamed as well. I simply think that you must start from something and then climb up. It’s better to have cleaning job in your CV then nothing. And some of my scottish friends (or their kids) seems to do not understand this. Most young scottish people are expecting good paid job in the office and they won’t get dirty, even, if they quit school at 16…

But I think it’s not about lazyness. It’s simply becouse that most youngsters here aren’t used to work. School here is simply a laugh (as I just had read that student’s in college can’t have oral exams in foreign language as that can put them into stress - 17 years old can’t speak french for five minutes after all school course in this subject? Please don’t make me laugh). It seems that polish kids must work much harder in school (i will put aside now discussion about quality of education, as it’s other case).

In Poland kids are helping parents - here it’s seems that most youngsters are doing whaty they want. I can’t remember if I had seen anytime some kids shopping in my local shop - there are always parent’s buying buns, milk or bread. There is an advert for paper boy in shop at next corner and is there so long, that paper started to be yellow… But there is pretty much youngsters walking arround, asking me to buy them alcohol or tobacco and I never had seen any of them working. And they are arround all day, all week - are they always on holidays?

Or there are still some news as “drunker teenagers fighting on the street” or “14 yo drunk girl raped in night club”. Wtf? What 14 years old kid is doing in night club? And who is buying her booze? Where are her parents, when she’s not back at home at reasonable hour?

It’s not that scottish (or british) kids are more stupid or more lazy then polish. I think it’s only becouse they never had any serious duties. So when they are 20 they still think, that they can do only what they like. But off course there is not much good jobs for people, who left school at 16. But instead of blaming themself they blaming poles. But no-one of them will go cleaning the toilet, even for much more then 5.52 per hour. It’s only excuse.

Off course I have scottish friends, who leaved school at 16 then worked hard, and now they are much more clever and they are doing come courses in college. You are so happy that you got good school system, good financial help during education and after that good paid job. I wasn’t so happy. I was worked hard on my studies (I was driving a van part time, and I had full time studies) to become science teacher and then I can’t get job in Poland, which allow me to rent even a smallest flat and survive (teacher’s start salary in Poland is arround 690 zł (about 120 pounds) per month, and 22 sq metres studio flat far away from city centre costs about 550 itself, and you still must pay bills and eat something…

So I think, that british young people are stupid in one way: they can’t understand how happy they are to live in this country and don’t want to catch opportunities, what they have.

And this gaps are filled by poles: they are both gaps on the worst jobs (like toilet cleaning) and in the top class jobs (like engeenering industry or doctors) as not many brits want work so hard to get so good education and you already have shortages in these industries.

And in my opinion for britain, as a country, it’s only profit - you got good proffesionals and you haven’t paid a penny for their education, as they made their studies in Poland.

Only loosers are this young people. But who is stopping them from work? I bet, that british surgery will prefere briotish doctor, who is native speaker in english, who knows all about british culture, who understand british problems, then some foreigner. And about toilet cleaner: i bet, that british company prefere to have toilet cleaner who speak english, then one who can’t.

If you wold have enough workforce here on the market, there will be no need for Poles. Like in Greece - many Poles went there, but there is very hard to find work for them.

I did it again :wink: Sorry for such long posts :wink:

On me way soon. New job being lined up.
Means i will be away from my family more, but hey must do etc.

Just for the record i pretty much help anyone who asks (even scots) . :wink:

This was a rant aimed at unscrupulous bosses . And i never mentioned polish drivers either.

Much food for thought there Orys,

I think a big problem amongst young people in the U.K is apathy. Nobody can be bothered to do anything. How can the situation be fixed? is it possible to fix it??

I don’t know. I must tell you, that people 10-15 years younger then me in Poland are seems to become the same like british youngsters…

I was working in scouting and I was observing this that it were worse from year to another…

But i think, that this is a subject for another discussion

turnip:
On me way soon. New job being lined up.
Means i will be away from my family more, but hey must do etc.

Just for the record i pretty much help anyone who asks (even scots) . :wink:

This was a rant aimed at unscrupulous bosses . And i never mentioned polish drivers either.

Good for you Turnip.

Hope the new job goes well, and glad there’s still a few proper blokes left among the surrender monkeys.

There was a prog on BBC2 tuesday night about Poles & other Eastern Europeans coming to Peterborough.

There were 2 trains of thought, employers were all for it, some of the residents were not, the one thing that it did show everybody though was that the yoofs in Peterboro are a bunch of lazy skiving ■■■■ heads :blush: e.g. a young lad, early 20s was offered a job @£7ph, he asked what it was, found out it was veg picking & said he’d rather sign on & took a swig from a can of Stella :unamused: FFS this is how our income tax is being spent :open_mouth:

Still be an idea to teach those east of Germany how to drve on the left though :exclamation: :exclamation: