Should i help??

I think what you say is true Mike, there have been a few negatives directed at my wife and her friends in our time back here, mostly just remarks and a couple of times a bit hostile, nothing we couldn’t sort out ourselves, but I do find most people have good regard to them as a whole, but the odd one can be very nasty when they want to be.

On a lighter note as we were making a visit to the grave yard I talked about from Częstochowa my Sat Nav took us through our village and not the route the Germans took, something my wife noticed and remarked its a good job the Germans didn’t have Tom Tom or we might not be together :open_mouth:

drew128:
He took his first visit outside Poland and came with his wife to visit England last year. He told me that it was a great honor for him to visit England as they had tried to help Poland, in that respect it upsets me to see his country men treated as dirt when they arrive here.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/shro … 304198.stm

Are you thinking of incidents such as this drew128. Good to see it’s only a minority though.

newmercman:
Not a bad idea that Orys, Poland is a beautiful country for sure, but would you really want a load of good looking Englishmen over there messing around with all those deserted women, you got some right little stunners over there, Easyjet to Krakow £39 return, now where’s my box of condoms :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Sorry for talking like that, but in polish we say “ugly like english guy” :frowning:
That’s can mean that english guys aren’t the type what polish girls like most… But I wish you good luck on your trip :wink:

orys:

newmercman:
Not a bad idea that Orys, Poland is a beautiful country for sure, but would you really want a load of good looking Englishmen over there messing around with all those deserted women, you got some right little stunners over there, Easyjet to Krakow £39 return, now where’s my box of condoms :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Sorry for talking like that, but in polish we say “ugly like english guy” :frowning:
That’s can mean that english guys aren’t the type what polish girls like most… But I wish you good luck on your trip :wink:

Thanks mate, got any numbers I could call when I’m there :laughing:

robB39:
Just a little history lesson about our Polish brothers.

thanks for that, that was all good.

For some more interested in this subject I can reccomend that book:http://www.lynneolson.com/questionofhonor/

I got one (but unfortunably translated into polish, so I can’t lend you, as there will be no use for you), and it’s very good. It shows not only the story of this mens but also shows how Churchill made his way to decisions in Yalta. And, what is sad, it shows also, that after war not everyone was welcoming polish emigrants in Britain as some of you thinks :frowning:

But in this short lecture about polish story rob missed one important question.

On 17th of september 1939, when Polish army was still involved in heavy fights with germans, Poland was invaded from east - by Soviet Union. And there were only border police units, as most of the army was involved in fights on the west front. So as Germans with Soviets finished almost all polish military resistance (altough there were some polish partisans fighting in the higlands and woods all arround the country during all period of ocupation) they soon split Poland between themselves. And believe or not, but it was much better to stay on the german half… Soviets soon started to massive extermination of all polish leaders, soldiers, educated people and all other, who wasn’t seating quiet. They supported Ukrainians, who were fighting against Poles as well. And they were doing that in not so organized way as germans did. There was no paperwork, no way to track how many polish people were sended to Siberia, or simply shoot in the back of head in forests near Katyń and other places, see Katyn - Wikipedia and russians still do not want to get responsibility for that part of history.

Later, when Hitler started war against Soviet Union, Soviets recalled, that they have hundreds of thousends of polish soldiers and offered them opportunity to join Red Army. Not many of them were up for that, so after all there decided to create a more indenpendent polish army. After that Poles were fighting on the east as well on all the way to Berlin. So that was true, that Poles were fighting everywhere.

During the war there was a huge resistance organisation in Poland as well, governed by polish goverment on exile in London. Couriers were traveling all the time through every possible way with orders, spy materials etc. And there were fights - partisans mostly joined National Army and fought against germans. They wanted to show the world, that soviets only helped us, not freed Poland. That’s why they started Warsaw Rising on the 1 of august 1944. National Army was fighting in Warsaw for months, with huge support of polish scouts - some as young as 10. Unfortunably Soviets decided to stop on the Wisła river and wait until Rising will lost, instead of helping them by bounding german units in fights on the other fronts. Polish soldiers from this polish army governed by Soviets, who tried to pass Wisła river were shoot in back by Soviets (among others my friend’s grandfather). British pilots refused to go with supplies to fighting Warsaw, as it was too danger. There were only few flights with volunteers (many of them were poles who fighting in RAF) but that was much too late. What is interesting about that, is that one of Liberators was put down, but british pilots managed to fly east and they crashed in the woods. Polish partisans and peasants cured them and they later joined partisan unit to fight against soviet army…

So polish history is very interesting and that’s true, that if you want to ask who is real looser in WW II - that not germans. That we are.

And off course there is many poles, who do not like to wash themselves, as among many other polish nations (I had one run to Inverness with some scottish chap one day, and I was barely decided to jump off from the lorry and come back to Glasgow on foot or by hitch-hiking). But I can assure you, that average Pole have teeth in much better contition then average Scot :wink: But thats every nations problems and I don’t think that we shall use stereotipes as “every polish driver is poor driver” or “every english people are ugly” or “brits are too stupid to learn any foreign language” as it’s simply not true.

I was welcomed very warm by 99% of Scots (and maybe 90% of englismans, what I meet) and I am very thankfull for that. I can assure you that in opposite case you would be welcomed in Poland at least as friendly… And as far as everyone working for decent wage, and offering good quality work, I am OK with everyone everywhere. And if benefit thievieng would be problem of poles only, all that adverts about this would be in polish. But as for now I seen/heard english ones only…

newmercman:
Yeah the Poles did well going on strike in Gdansk but we kicked their arse at that too, no nation can strike like the Brits, not even the French :laughing:

First read something and ask yourself: is that the same league strikes in Britain and strikes in Poland? I am 27 and I am remember police and army using tanks to drive into the coal mine where strike was on, or to shoot people on the street only becouse they were posting flyers…

My father spend 18 months in jail (ordered 3 years) only becouse he was editor of indenpendent newspaper… later he lost his job on university and instead of being a professor he was selling exhausts to Żuk’s and Nysa’s.

And what about people like Grzegorz Przemyk, who was murdered by political police?

And do you really think think that us English would’ve succumbed to Communism, no way Boris, no way we would allow an unelected leader from a foreign country run things :laughing: :laughing:

You luckily were never had opportunity to check this theory and I wish you to never get this opportunity. But you don’t need huge imperium 100 times stronger then you - some muslim minority already rules britain as they want…

Can I just add yet another comment to this thread?

Its no good going back 50 odd years to make a point.

You could go back only 20 years to prove the point that standing together as a united front means nothing anymore. Scargill and Maggie showed us that. Ok so everyone helped someone and sacrificed something in the wars but seriously, does that make any difference to the way things are now? I wouldnt have thought so.

The thread started with someones opinion of conflicting interest. He felt aggrieved at yet another example of Brit bosses counting pennies and not supporting Brit workers, but yet felt he should or could have done as he was asked.

Value your job, cos it could be Johnny Foreigner in your seat next week.

If you dont agree with something, surely you should be able to state your views without feeling that you have suddenly become public enemy No. 1

Lets just look at it another way. All these EC workers come here for say 6 months then go home. What do they actually put into the economy? They send money home and live as cheaply as possible, or fiddle the benefits system. Either way, the UK suffers as more money leaves our pockets than thiers. It not really a fair balance. And yet again, the british worker suffers.

Not only do the hard working among us have to pay for the lazy gits that refuse to work, we have to pay for the EC peeps that decide our benefits are better than their wages aswell.

So next time you work your ■■■ off and see that big fat tax deduction on your pay slip, think where its gone and then say this guy was wrong to feel the way he felt in the first post.

Darby Flyer:
Can I just add yet another comment to this thread?

Its no good going back 50 odd years to make a point.

Yes it is. Less than a lifetime ago the Poles fought alongside our boys for their freedom. Which was denied them by the powers that be.

Darby Flyer:
You could go back only 20 years to prove the point that standing together as a united front means nothing anymore. Scargill and Maggie showed us that. Ok so everyone helped someone and sacrificed something in the wars but seriously, does that make any difference to the way things are now? I wouldnt have thought so.

What happened in the past can send ripples through time for many generations, just look at the middle east for an example. The Brits played a good part in zb-ing that up too.

Darby Flyer:
The thread started with someones opinion of conflicting interest. He felt aggrieved at yet another example of Brit bosses counting pennies and not supporting Brit workers, but yet felt he should or could have done as he was asked.

Value your job, cos it could be Johnny Foreigner in your seat next week.

If you dont agree with something, surely you should be able to state your views without feeling that you have suddenly become public enemy No. 1

Lets just look at it another way. All these EC workers come here for say 6 months then go home. What do they actually put into the economy? They send money home and live as cheaply as possible, or fiddle the benefits system. Either way, the UK suffers as more money leaves our pockets than thiers. It not really a fair balance. And yet again, the british worker suffers.

Not only do the hard working among us have to pay for the lazy gits that refuse to work, we have to pay for the EC peeps that decide our benefits are better than their wages aswell.

So next time you work your ■■■ off and see that big fat tax deduction on your pay slip, think where its gone and then say this guy was wrong to feel the way he felt in the first post.

What wasn’t fair is how the Poles got the zb end of the stick after WWII. Have struggled for almost a generation after they were sold down the pan. Like I said it’s compensation time, what goes around comes around.

Why arn’t the Germans flooding here■■? Because they were helped to rebuild their country and economy whilst the Poles were left to get zbd over by the Russians. Who’s side were they on??!! :unamused:

Dont get me wrong robB39, but for a good number of us it was more than a lifetime ago.

I’m not aginst anyone wishing to better their lives and earn a better wage than they could get back home, but lets be fair about it, our daily lives have increasing costs and charges that we are starting to be unable to keep up with.

One, not all, of the reasons is the fact that the EC workers are prepared to work for such a low wage that it gets to the point where you either work for the same low wage or don’t work at all.

I’m 35 and don’t know any history to speak of. Yes I agree to a point that any assistance should have been re-paid, but I also think charity begins at home and in this current financial climate, you have got to be looking out for number one.

When I reach retirement age, a pension will be a historical thing to be read about on Wikipedia, but at the same time, my wage doesnt allow me to make any other arrangements. I know it isnt just the EC workers in this country affecting slow wage increases, but it’s certainly not helping.

As someone else stated, its putting the working class back where they belong.

I also need to make the point to ORYS that I am not trying to single out the Poles on a personal level. I get on with the most part of Poles that i meet. Its not just about the Polish anyway, the same discussion went on for many years in the 70’s and 80’s about the Asians working all hours in factories.

Can I just ask? After seeing a trailer for a BBC program, what was the big attraction for Poles going to Peterborough?? I didnt see the actual program, and just wondered. Is it all the pick ‘n’ pack work in that area?

Darby Flyer:
Dont get me wrong robB39, but for a good number of us it was more than a lifetime ago.

For you, here, in Britain, yes. For you war was finished in 1945. You propably weren’t born yet in this year.

And for Poland last soldier, who was occupating our country left it when 17 years ago. I was 11 in this time. I remember from my childhood as we were pulled off the road becouse soviet tanks were going on the street. i remember funeral of student shoot on the street by police. You are happy, that you never lived in such conditions, but that’s simply why you can’t understand what that’s mean. And I am young, I am just catching opportunities. But are you wonder why old guys from Poland without language or skills coming here for work? They wasted most of their life. And even now, after 1989 life in Poland isn’t golden. So do not blame them for coming here. Off course, I understand your point and agree - I am also against claiming all possible benefits. But many people from Poland worked hard all their life and their got nothing, so no wonder that now, if they have oportunity to have something without work they go for it.

I’m not aginst anyone wishing to better their lives and earn a better wage than they could get back home, but lets be fair about it, our daily lives have increasing costs and charges that we are starting to be unable to keep up with.

Starting to be unable to keep up with ? :slight_smile: You really do not know nothing about this. Try to live for 100 pounds per month as many polish teachers or nurses do. And costs of live in Poland is not much lower then here…

One, not all, of the reasons is the fact that the EC workers are prepared to work for such a low wage that it gets to the point where you either work for the same low wage or don’t work at all.

I am agree with you totally. And you know what? They will be much happier to work for better wages. But business here is taking advantage on their position… You are loosing, poles are loosing - only business makes profit on that.

I’m 35 and don’t know any history to speak of.

Lucky you. I have so much history to tell about from my own live experience… And I am only 27…

Yes I agree to a point that any assistance should have been re-paid, but I also think charity begins at home and in this current financial climate, you have got to be looking out for number one.

You want to talk that way? You repayed us for our “assistance” by kicking us in the ■■■ for last 60 years. So now we will refund you your position after war by milking your country from benefits :grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing: :grimacing:

When I reach retirement age, a pension will be a historical thing to be read about on Wikipedia, but at the same time, my wage doesnt allow me to make any other arrangements. I know it isnt just the EC workers in this country affecting slow wage increases, but it’s certainly not helping.

Yeah, but it’s do not changing nothing. Polish workers will have no pension as well, nor here, nor in Poland. And that way they have at least chance to earn SOMETHING.

I also need to make the point to ORYS that I am not trying to single out the Poles on a personal level. I get on with the most part of Poles that i meet. Its not just about the Polish anyway, the same discussion went on for many years in the 70’s and 80’s about the Asians working all hours in factories.

I know, that you are not taking this personally. I am not taking it to me as well (as I simply in slightly different situation then most of Poles here). I just trying to get you wider point of view, to help you understand some things. And I will not force you to change your opinion, if you will stay on your position after you lern all facts what I gave you. I just only want You all to do not place your opinion, when you do not know nothing.

Can I just ask? After seeing a trailer for a BBC program, what was the big attraction for Poles going to Peterborough?? I didnt see the actual program, and just wondered. Is it all the pick ‘n’ pack work in that area?

For Poles from many polish cities ANY WORK is enough. (I am not like that, altough I was doing many things, I came here not for work, but to live here, learn languages and your culture and I hope to move to France in couple of years. I have a rule, that I am not asking no-one for help (last time situation forced me to do that, but that was caused by Scots, and I can’t do nothing against unfair dimissal, stealing my wages or car accidents) so I am working hard and I hope to get into scottish university this year. But let’s go to Peterborough. It’s works simply like snowball: one cames here, bring back his friends and family, they bring next ones and so on. That way I know more people from Gorzów Wielkopolski in Glasgow then in Gorzów, in Poland, altough I had a girlfriend from this city… They are like a this internet social portals: friends of friends of friends of friends…

I am not affraid. I can drive a lorry, so I can get job easy and I am speak english and I am open for foreign (by that I mean british at the moment) culture, so I can live anywhere and have scottish friends. But many people living like in polish ghetto: they sharing a flat with other poles, they have polish van driving them to work in factory, where most workers are polish, after work they are going to polish deli for shopping and sitting on the coach and watching polish sat tv. They can live here for years and do not tell a word in english… But you don’t need to be affraid about them. Believe or not, they are simply profit for your economy - they work here, paying taxes here, spending some money here, and they coming back to Poland. They will not get pension here, as they would need to work here 10 years or something. And only 2% of them (as one of english chaps told here) claiming bnefits. So that’s again much less then British people - so again average Pole puts more to jar then average Brit. And they do that for five years, but then they will take from polish jar after all. (off course is possible, that EC will create one pension scheme for everyone, but in that case it makes no different for you where they are working).

And make a notice at this point: you telling that cheap labour from East Europe are putting your salaries down. Ok, but after all you still have place to work and your economy grows. Germans do not allowed eastern europeans to work there. What’s the result? Let’s check only car industry: Opel is made in Gliwice. Volkswagen have factory in Poznań. MAN is made in Starachowice. Mercedes making its buses in Jelcz. Apart of that polish industry have a big boost - new technologies, new know-how. Who is now the biggest bus manufacturer in Europe? It’s no longer Germany, it’s Poland. Autosan, Solbus, Jelcz, Solaris, Volvo, Mercedes - there all are made in Poland! Even this RHD ones! I even seen polish Autosan on the Scottish Isles. And only from last few weeks: Nokia is moving its factory to Romania.

So think and answer yourself: do you prefer to work in Britain with Poles for wages low as for Britain? Or you prefere to be unemployed and watch in TV as Poles are working in Poland for wages high as for Poland. Sorry, World is changing and it’s one big market now. Who is too expensive is going out of busines…

robB39:
Just a little history lesson about our Polish brothers.

If you copy something from the internet then you really should put which source you get it from :slight_smile:

I pulled excerpts from it, and abbreviated it. As it appeared to be too much to wade through on the forum I pulled out key facts.

I wasn’t going to remember all of those facts off the top of my head was I?
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I’ve added the source now. :wink:

Nice one fella, thanks

Here’s a sobering thought for those of you who are thinking of voting Tory to get rid of Nu Labour.
2 weeks ago,I sat and watched William Hague arguing the case for Turkey’s accession to the E.U. :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth:
He also said the E.U. was going to enlarge from the present 27 to 36 or 37 countries. :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth:
How are the Government going to control the massive influx we can expect in the very near future?
Is it going to repeat the free for all we have had for the last 4 years?
There’s one thing for sure,the propaganda Nu Labour trotted out the last time about the number of immigrants we could expect,won’t wash in the future.

gsm31:
Here’s a sobering thought for those of you who are thinking of voting Tory to get rid of Nu Labour.
2 weeks ago,I sat and watched William Hague arguing the case for Turkey’s accession to the E.U. :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth:
He also said the E.U. was going to enlarge from the present 27 to 36 or 37 countries. :open_mouth: :open_mouth: :open_mouth:
How are the Government going to control the massive influx we can expect in the very near future?
Is it going to repeat the free for all we have had for the last 4 years?
There’s one thing for sure,the propaganda Nu Labour trotted out the last time about the number of immigrants we could expect,won’t wash in the future.

Didn’t think for a minute that either of the 3 stooges (parties) would want to change anything.

Their bankrollers are doing very nicely out of the current chaos, and unless something very drastic changes, the current political parties will continue grubbing deep in the trough, filling their snouts, lining their pockets and voting themselves superb index linked pay and pensions (and they have the gall to pretend they represent ordinary working people, they make me puke).

I’m sure there’s enough benefit mongers and scroungers doing very nicely out of nu labour to keep them there for some time yet.

How many politicians of the main 3 parties would you believe if they told you it was daylight outside?
Personally i’d have to go outside and check.

Reckon you’ll be up for re-educating gsm, you’re not reading off the correct page of the hymnsheet don’t you know, and i’ll be joining you.

nah i wunt help lorry drivin will be over run with foreigners in years to come !!! mind u country will !!!

Juddian:
Reckon you’ll be up for re-educating gsm, you’re not reading off the correct page of the hymnsheet don’t you know, and i’ll be joining you.

In Nu Labour talk it’s called Diversity Awareness Training. :angry: :angry: :angry:
Coming to Schools and Workplaces near you all,soon. :angry: :angry: :angry:

“It illustrates the idea that government rests upon the consent of the governed, and that it is the right of the people to alter or abolish a government whenever it becomes destructive of the ends for which it was established.”

Where did you get that philosophy from?

Unfortunately, now, we have three options and they are all zb. So now what do we do? :confused: :open_mouth: :wink: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Unfortunately, now, we have three options and they are all zb. So now what do we do? :confused: :open_mouth: :wink: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
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EMIGRATE, leave, run away, get gone, before they close the outgoing borders for hard working people. :wink:

There is a fourth option and i think a lot of people will come to the same conclusion…when its too late. :open_mouth:

Juddian:

RobB39:
Unfortunately, now, we have three options and they are all zb. So now what do we do? :confused: :open_mouth: :wink: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

EMIGRATE, leave, run away, get gone, before they close the outgoing borders for hard working people. :wink:

There is a fourth option and i think a lot of people will come to the same conclusion…when its too late. :open_mouth:

I’m intrigued what’s the fourth option■■? :slight_smile:

:bulb: REVOLUTION :arrow_right: :question: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: