Darby Flyer:
Dont get me wrong robB39, but for a good number of us it was more than a lifetime ago.
For you, here, in Britain, yes. For you war was finished in 1945. You propably weren’t born yet in this year.
And for Poland last soldier, who was occupating our country left it when 17 years ago. I was 11 in this time. I remember from my childhood as we were pulled off the road becouse soviet tanks were going on the street. i remember funeral of student shoot on the street by police. You are happy, that you never lived in such conditions, but that’s simply why you can’t understand what that’s mean. And I am young, I am just catching opportunities. But are you wonder why old guys from Poland without language or skills coming here for work? They wasted most of their life. And even now, after 1989 life in Poland isn’t golden. So do not blame them for coming here. Off course, I understand your point and agree - I am also against claiming all possible benefits. But many people from Poland worked hard all their life and their got nothing, so no wonder that now, if they have oportunity to have something without work they go for it.
I’m not aginst anyone wishing to better their lives and earn a better wage than they could get back home, but lets be fair about it, our daily lives have increasing costs and charges that we are starting to be unable to keep up with.
Starting to be unable to keep up with ?
You really do not know nothing about this. Try to live for 100 pounds per month as many polish teachers or nurses do. And costs of live in Poland is not much lower then here…
One, not all, of the reasons is the fact that the EC workers are prepared to work for such a low wage that it gets to the point where you either work for the same low wage or don’t work at all.
I am agree with you totally. And you know what? They will be much happier to work for better wages. But business here is taking advantage on their position… You are loosing, poles are loosing - only business makes profit on that.
I’m 35 and don’t know any history to speak of.
Lucky you. I have so much history to tell about from my own live experience… And I am only 27…
Yes I agree to a point that any assistance should have been re-paid, but I also think charity begins at home and in this current financial climate, you have got to be looking out for number one.
You want to talk that way? You repayed us for our “assistance” by kicking us in the ■■■ for last 60 years. So now we will refund you your position after war by milking your country from benefits

When I reach retirement age, a pension will be a historical thing to be read about on Wikipedia, but at the same time, my wage doesnt allow me to make any other arrangements. I know it isnt just the EC workers in this country affecting slow wage increases, but it’s certainly not helping.
Yeah, but it’s do not changing nothing. Polish workers will have no pension as well, nor here, nor in Poland. And that way they have at least chance to earn SOMETHING.
I also need to make the point to ORYS that I am not trying to single out the Poles on a personal level. I get on with the most part of Poles that i meet. Its not just about the Polish anyway, the same discussion went on for many years in the 70’s and 80’s about the Asians working all hours in factories.
I know, that you are not taking this personally. I am not taking it to me as well (as I simply in slightly different situation then most of Poles here). I just trying to get you wider point of view, to help you understand some things. And I will not force you to change your opinion, if you will stay on your position after you lern all facts what I gave you. I just only want You all to do not place your opinion, when you do not know nothing.
Can I just ask? After seeing a trailer for a BBC program, what was the big attraction for Poles going to Peterborough?? I didnt see the actual program, and just wondered. Is it all the pick ‘n’ pack work in that area?
For Poles from many polish cities ANY WORK is enough. (I am not like that, altough I was doing many things, I came here not for work, but to live here, learn languages and your culture and I hope to move to France in couple of years. I have a rule, that I am not asking no-one for help (last time situation forced me to do that, but that was caused by Scots, and I can’t do nothing against unfair dimissal, stealing my wages or car accidents) so I am working hard and I hope to get into scottish university this year. But let’s go to Peterborough. It’s works simply like snowball: one cames here, bring back his friends and family, they bring next ones and so on. That way I know more people from Gorzów Wielkopolski in Glasgow then in Gorzów, in Poland, altough I had a girlfriend from this city… They are like a this internet social portals: friends of friends of friends of friends…
I am not affraid. I can drive a lorry, so I can get job easy and I am speak english and I am open for foreign (by that I mean british at the moment) culture, so I can live anywhere and have scottish friends. But many people living like in polish ghetto: they sharing a flat with other poles, they have polish van driving them to work in factory, where most workers are polish, after work they are going to polish deli for shopping and sitting on the coach and watching polish sat tv. They can live here for years and do not tell a word in english… But you don’t need to be affraid about them. Believe or not, they are simply profit for your economy - they work here, paying taxes here, spending some money here, and they coming back to Poland. They will not get pension here, as they would need to work here 10 years or something. And only 2% of them (as one of english chaps told here) claiming bnefits. So that’s again much less then British people - so again average Pole puts more to jar then average Brit. And they do that for five years, but then they will take from polish jar after all. (off course is possible, that EC will create one pension scheme for everyone, but in that case it makes no different for you where they are working).
And make a notice at this point: you telling that cheap labour from East Europe are putting your salaries down. Ok, but after all you still have place to work and your economy grows. Germans do not allowed eastern europeans to work there. What’s the result? Let’s check only car industry: Opel is made in Gliwice. Volkswagen have factory in Poznań. MAN is made in Starachowice. Mercedes making its buses in Jelcz. Apart of that polish industry have a big boost - new technologies, new know-how. Who is now the biggest bus manufacturer in Europe? It’s no longer Germany, it’s Poland. Autosan, Solbus, Jelcz, Solaris, Volvo, Mercedes - there all are made in Poland! Even this RHD ones! I even seen polish Autosan on the Scottish Isles. And only from last few weeks: Nokia is moving its factory to Romania.
So think and answer yourself: do you prefer to work in Britain with Poles for wages low as for Britain? Or you prefere to be unemployed and watch in TV as Poles are working in Poland for wages high as for Poland. Sorry, World is changing and it’s one big market now. Who is too expensive is going out of busines…